What the Red Pill took too far and why I think it is causing most men to struggle in dating

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The popular saying is that women like bad boys and hate nice guys which has some merit, but it's not entirely true. Sure, women like dominant, masculine, and bold men which are typical traits in bad boys, but that's where it ends. What the Red Pill leaves out is that the bad boys are also taking care of their women, stimulating them emotionally & physically, and giving them a good time. Let's look at Andrew Tate because he is being idolized the most right now. I guarantee you that Andrew Tate's women are being taken care on dates, Andrew Tate is properly validating his women, and etc. In essence, Andrew Tate isn't being a 247 ******* to his women. His women are living the good life under his arms.

Now let's compare Andrew Tate to your typical Red/Black Pill follower: Works either a normal white-collar job or manual labor job, over entitled, refuses to take girls out on dinner dates or any dates above $60 because that's too much validation, is more than likely a misogynist, thinks he should be able to spin plates/date other women, doesn't have an interesting hobby, but thinks the gym makes him god's gift, personality revolves around stalking/idolizing other men like Trump, Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit, etc. Now Andrew Tate is a multi-millionaire, not a misogynist, has interesting hobbies, and takes his women out on lavish dates so I think he can get away with a lot more shvt than you can buddy. Now I am not telling guys to just go out and simp, but I am saying that you are going a little overboard on the douchebag game.

BUT BUT BUT, mediocre looking women are over entitled and misbehave. Sorry, but they have something in between their legs that makes them valuable and there's nothing you can do about it. You can continue to whine and moan, but you will just end up a lonely loser incel.


The most relatable thing to this is the scene in Tropic Thunder where Robert Downey's character tells Ben Stiller's character that he went full retard lol. Don't go full retard lol.

 

[Solomon]

The average Red Piller will never be a high earning man
Most men now a days don't want to compete int he mating market
Yes it's tougher than it's ever been but also been easier
Let me explain in 2010 average women still had no problem getting with average men
Now average women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad and Tyrone on Tinder/Bumble/hinge and think they deserve this guy
Now a days depending on where you live as long as you're not fat, have a job, average game, and a job
You will get laid faster and easier then in 2010
The whole 4 date rule in 2022 doesn't apply most women are giving up the box on the 1st or 2nd date if she likes you

Most RP men want a "Instagram girl" then get mad that this girl has more options than them
sorry but if you want an instagram thot IG model type you gonna have to compete with Chad, Tyrone and Zaddy long bux
Most RP guys will never be high earning or have the same charisma as Andrew Tate
Hence they live vicarisouly through'em


IF RP guys really focused on themselves they would do better with women. I have a buddy who is 275 pounds and gets laid regularly he works secuirty at a club and slams girls that are 5'5, 125 pounds and hot. Why? cause he has high value in the nightclub scene. Figure out something you're good at and max that shyt, crying online every year about feminism and dating isn't gonna make your d wet

Most guys who follow RP content are average

 

[Zimbabwe]

1) No one can agree on what redpill is, advocates, or embodies. To some it's basically peer pressure to lift, for others it's an alt right movement meant to galvanize men for the revolution, and everything in between.

2) More to my point. Redpill preaches you should better yourself and it's all your fault. That isn't a coping mechanism. Yet, it also preaches AWALT and 'its just your turn' which transfers responsibility away from the individual and places it in fate or the immutable nature of the universe. That is a coping mechanism.

Conclusion: since redpill can mean anything to anyone, it's not a coping mechanism - it's actually nothing more than a Loosely affiliated group of men angry about women arguing about the best way to deal with it.

 

[thermodynamic]

100% Agree. I used to go out on dates and do very inconsiderate things and ruin the date. (Because I thought to myself, I got myself the date by not giving a **** what the girl told me and pushing forward.) The idea is more be a decent guy but hold yourself as the bigger person in the interaction.

 

[TheTigerV1]

You are so right. The more I am aiming at healthy relationships, the more I am getting out of the RedPill circlejerk.
RP was such an amazing tool when I had to smash girl during college, I did unbelievable (and degenerate) things. None of that was worth it. I attracted incredibly broken (but hot af) women and disloyal friends. Now I am looking at a more balanced approach to dating and life in general.

 

[pipeman84]

Now Andrew Tate is a multi-millionaire, not a misogynist,

What Andrew Tate does is basically paying for escorts...it's just that he doesn't hand them the money directly, but spends money with and on them. And they don't call themselves escorts but IG 'models'. And he is a twisted misogynist, I heard him saying that he doesn't go down on women, bla bla, supposedly that isn't alpha. Moreover, while he drops a few nuggets of truth here and there, one has to be deaf and blind not to realize his hatred for women (not surprisingly though, as he's made his money with cam slvts, so he sampled the worst of the female specimens out there, so this is his reality)

The whole 4 date rule in 2022 doesn't apply most women are giving up the box on the 1st or 2nd date if she likes you

That's one of the biggest BS that's repeated ad nauseam, even by guys I thought knew better than that, like Corey Wayne. I guess that's why he's pushing 53yrs old and dating single moms. Most slvts/low quality women give up the box on the 1st or 2nd date. Now depending on the type of women you surround yourself with, that percentage may go from 0% to 100%.

 

[Solomon]

That's one of the biggest BS that's repeated ad nauseam, even by guys I thought knew better than that, like Corey Wayne. I guess that's why he's pushing 53yrs old and dating single moms. Most slvts/low quality women give up the box on the 1st or 2nd date. Now depending on the type of women you surround yourself with, that percentage may go from 0% to 100%.

So how many women are not sluvts?

 

[mrskinnypantz]

The popular saying is that women like bad boys and hate nice guys which has some merit, but it's not entirely true. Sure, women like dominant, masculine, and bold men which are typical traits in bad boys, but that's where it ends. What the Red Pill leaves out is that the bad boys are also taking care of their women, stimulating them emotionally & physically, and giving them a good time. Let's look at Andrew Tate because he is being idolized the most right now. I guarantee you that Andrew Tate's women are being taken care on dates, Andrew Tate is properly validating his women, and etc. In essence, Andrew Tate isn't being a 247 ******* to his women. His women are living the good life under his arms.

Now let's compare Andrew Tate to your typical Red/Black Pill follower: Works either a normal white-collar job or manual labor job, over entitled, refuses to take girls out on dinner dates or any dates above $60 because that's too much validation, is more than likely a misogynist, thinks he should be able to spin plates/date other women, doesn't have an interesting hobby, but thinks the gym makes him god's gift, personality revolves around stalking/idolizing other men like Trump, Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit, etc. Now Andrew Tate is a multi-millionaire, not a misogynist, has interesting hobbies, and takes his women out on lavish dates so I think he can get away with a lot more shvt than you can buddy. Now I am not telling guys to just go out and simp, but I am saying that you are going a little overboard on the douchebag game.

BUT BUT BUT, mediocre looking women are over entitled and misbehave. Sorry, but they have something in between their legs that makes them valuable and there's nothing you can do about it. You can continue to whine and moan, but you will just end up a lonely loser incel.


The most relatable thing to this is the scene in Tropic Thunder where Robert Downey's character tells Ben Stiller's character that he went full retard lol. Don't go full retard lol.

Nah, women will always love bad boys.
They stimulate women too much.
Doesn't matter if he works at quiktrip, she likes him.

a lot of these guys are asking how to get their ex back , the bad boy wants to know how he can get a better girl.

Bad boys don't make that much money but they carry their own weight. They take care of themselves, not women.

"Nice guy" works his ass off to keep his house wife and kids happy so he doesn't have to go through hell, but he does anyway. Because he's broke, he's taking care of others constantly And he does so because he afraid of being alone.
the woman can still leave him , **** other guys and take half his sh1t if they get married. If you got kids they will be irreversibly damaged from watching it happen.

Andrew Tate is popular women want to **** him because he has status , and it seems like he has money too. He's not losing any sleep over money spent.
The beta male is , because he is spending money he doesn't have , there's a difference in context here.

Its not the pill that's the problem, some people just don't want to take their medicine.

 

[pipeman84]

So how many women are not sluvts?

What do prairie voles have to do with women?
As I said, depends on the sample of women you're looking at...an AVN convention, perhaps 95%+ are slvts, some group with educated, coming from good family, spiritually inclined women, perhaps less than 10%.

 

[SW15]

Don't go full retard is good advice.

Now let's compare Andrew Tate to your typical Red/Black Pill follower: Works either a normal white-collar job or manual labor job, over entitled, refuses to take girls out on dinner dates or any dates above $60 because that's too much validation, is more than likely a misogynist, thinks he should be able to spin plates/date other women, doesn't have an interesting hobby, but thinks the gym makes him god's gift

The Manosphere has a rule of no dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex, which is a good rule. I try to keep it. However, since learning that rule in the early 2010s, I have occasionally broken it. I broke it on a 2nd date where I took a woman to a mini golf/TopGolf location and then we went to dinner nearby. On our first date, I had my hand up her dress as we were kissing in my car as I took her home from that date. She used Uber to get to our first date and I drove myself. It was fairly likely I could have gotten first date sex in that situation. It was after midnight and we had been drinking so I wasn't inclined to think it would have been high quality sex. I figured I was in good enough position there that an inexpensive dinner on top of mini golf/TopGolf was passable. We did have sex on the third date.

I like the idea of keeping dates under $60. In the early to mid 2010s, I tried to keep all first dates under $25 total and I was successful with that. If you have to go over $60 to get laid, it's often worth it but it's not something you want to make a regular habit of doing. Don't propose first dates that will go over $60 to women who you meet on swipe apps or from a 5-15 minute conversation in a stranger approach. It's still not ideal to go over $60 on 2nd dates with app swipe or cold approach women either if you didn't have sex on the first, though that it's a hard and fast rule.

Being a fit guy at the gym is generally going to help. Big muscles can help drop a woman's panties.

BUT BUT BUT, mediocre looking women are over entitled and misbehave. Sorry, but they have something in between their legs that makes them valuable and there's nothing you can do about it. You can continue to whine and moan, but you will just end up a lonely loser incel.

The vagina holds a lot of power. I agree. The point here has merit.

Let me explain in 2010 average women still had no problem getting with average men
Now average women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad and Tyrone on Tinder/Bumble/hinge and think they deserve this guy

In 2010, women were getting their inboxes pounded on Match, OkCupid, and Plenty of Fish. The difference between 2010 and more recent times is that many fewer women were using dating websites in 2010 as compared to dating app users in more recent times. Women on dating websites in 2010 has a lot of options and were acting entitled then.

In 2010, guys were trying to slide into DMs on Facebook and Twitter. In more recent times, guys have been DMing on Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Facebook DMs have really fallen out of fashion. The whole Facebook platform has gone downhill for Millennials and Gen Z. Older Millennials were the initial big users of Facebook in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

The average woman now has more DMs and is more likely to be using swipe apps, therefore has more ego inflation than the 2010 woman. The 2010 woman on Plenty of Fish had 100-200 messages in her inbox from thirsty men.

Now a days depending on where you live as long as you're not fat, have a job, average game, and a job
You will get laid faster and easier then in 2010

In 2010, it wasn't easy to get laid on dating websites. In more recent times, it is even more difficult to get laid on swipe apps than it was to get laid on dating websites in 2010.

Average weight, a job, and average game had more impact in 2010 than now. That combination only worked in 2010 if the woman wasn't on the dating websites.

The whole 4 date rule in 2022 doesn't apply most women are giving up the box on the 1st or 2nd date if she likes you

Due to women having even more options now than in the 2005-2010 era, there's a school of thought that men need to have sex sooner with a woman to ensure she chooses to reply to his next text over looking in the swipe app inbox or the swipe app queue for more options. This is sex to prevent ghosting. The idea goes that a woman is more likely to reply to a text from a guy when she's already invested in the interaction due to sex.

It's an interesting idea.

The big problem with first date sex from app swiping or cold approaching is that the first date sex would likely happen between 10 PM - 1 AM on a weeknight after drinks, you're tired, she's tired, and it's likely there's work involved the next day. That's not a recipe for high quality first date sex. A similar problem occurs with same night lays from bars, where the sex would likely happen between 10 PM and 3 AM and alcohol and fatigue are likely applicable. Work might not be a thing the next day if it's a Friday or Saturday night at the bars. If the conditions aren't favorable for higher quality first date sex or same night sex, it's not worth having the first date sex or same night sex. Women will ghost if the sex doesn't meet their expectation. Men need to realize how important it is to have their sex game on point.

 

[thermodynamic]

I think its best to look back on the ways of a primitive tribe leader - of course hes gonna be good to the women - but he also will not take **** from them or he risks loosing the respect of his tribe.

 

[Gamisch]

The discovery of the red pill almost always happens after a man has a negative experience with a woman. Then he will be overwhelmed with content, and find that a seemingly easy topic as relationships has "infinite depth ".

The idea behind redpill is good , especially in this feminized society. Every game has principles, general rules and cliches that might work ,although they never determine the outcome of said game.

But like I say, the entrance into RP is almost always from a negative pov. That's why Blackpill is acknowledged nowedays, because it becomes clear most men cannot keep up with the RP lifestyle, while they are too devastated to go back to blue. And generally speaking it's a really thin line between black and redpill. I think most women wont be able to tell the difference between them .

But yeah, RP theory can be dangerous for the wiring guy, and push him right into blackpill territory.

 

[devilkingx2]

You will get laid faster and easier then in 2010
The whole 4 date rule in 2022 doesn't apply most women are giving up the box on the 1st or 2nd date if she likes you

Even the most Chad guys I know in real life say that first date sex is a rare surprise and not to be expected so I think thats somewhat of an exaggeration. 2nd date sure if she likes you a lot.

That's one of the biggest BS that's repeated ad nauseam, even by guys I thought knew better than that, like Corey Wayne. I guess that's why he's pushing 53yrs old and dating single moms. Most slvts/low quality women give up the box on the 1st or 2nd date. Now depending on the type of women you surround yourself with, that percentage may go from 0% to 100%.

I don't know if it's a good idea to define a high quality woman as one who makes you jump through more hoops for sex.

What do prairie voles have to do with women?
As I said, depends on the sample of women you're looking at...an AVN convention, perhaps 95%+ are slvts, some group with educated, coming from good family, spiritually inclined women, perhaps less than 10%.

I think most guys have either experienced a girl who seemed conservative to you, but then you found out she was the biggest party slvt for your local chads.

Or they've banged a girl easily then found out her boyfriend thinks she's The One.

From those experiences it's easy to come to the conclusion that all women are slvts for guys they actually like. although my modern theory is that women who aren't slvts are probably just less approachable.

 

[Solomon]

Even the most Chad guys I know in real life say that first date sex is a rare surprise and not to be expected so I think thats somewhat of an exaggeration. 2nd date sure if she likes you a lot.

Two things can be true, I live in a very liberal and progressive city and these women aren't making guys wait for 4 dates if they like them it's very easy to get a girl here if she wants you, they are not coy about it

 

[James Cruse]

The popular saying is that women like bad boys and hate nice guys which has some merit, but it's not entirely true. Sure, women like dominant, masculine, and bold men which are typical traits in bad boys, but that's where it ends. What the Red Pill leaves out is that the bad boys are also taking care of their women, stimulating them emotionally & physically, and giving them a good time.

I think alot of men misunderstand what the ‘Bad Boy’ persona is and the ‘Bad Boy’ behaviour has been divorced from what women are actually attracted to.

Women primarily want men that are strong, confident, bold, grounded and have their own internal reference.
This means that if a woman does something they don’t like, they assert themselves and their standards and walk away from anyone if those standards are being ignored.

What people think are ‘Badboys’ are guys that are leaders and don’t follow other peoples rules, so they lead themselves and anyone that wants to follow them. Women are attracted to this - women are naturally attractes to natural dominant leaders.

Being a badboy or exhibiting the above behaviour doesn’t mean they’re bad people, immoral or have dubious characters. Some may have, but it’s not a rule.
Many men that have the above qualities are moral, respectable leaders wherever they go.
A man exhibiting those beahviours doesn’t mean he’s a misogynist (hates women) or the like.

Now let's compare Andrew Tate to your typical Red/Black Pill follower: Works either a normal white-collar job or manual labor job, over entitled, refuses to take girls out on dinner dates or any dates above $60 because that's too much validation, is more than likely a misogynist, thinks he should be able to spin plates/date other women, doesn't have an interesting hobby, but thinks the gym makes him god's gift, personality revolves around stalking/idolizing other men like Trump, Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit, etc

You’re again divorcing the real reason people recommend not spending much money on first or second dates with women and it’s not because those men HATE women.

I know from experiece, if I’m going on 3-5 dates per week, at $60+ per date, it’s so much money to be outlaying on women I don’t really know yet. Not only that, when spending $60+ on the date, it puts negative pressure on women on the date (the exact opposite of what we want), and it shows you’re over-investing on someone you don’t know well.

If you’re taking out a LTR or a girl you have been seeing/dating and having sex with, then taken care of them and take them out on nice dates, but not for dates in the early stages.

I also honestly don’t know many guys that go to the gym and think they’re now gods gift to women. Most guys I know go to the gym, period. So it’s certainly not a pervasive attitude.
Yeah, guys having hobbies that aren’t condusive to seduction or being around women is a given, men and women generally have very different interests.

This is why nightclubs, bars and country clubs exist - to bring men and women

BUT BUT BUT, mediocre looking women are over entitled and misbehave. Sorry, but they have something in between their legs that makes them valuable and there's nothing you can do about it. You can continue to whine and moan, but you will just end up a lonely loser inceI

I think many guys in the redpill community complaining about women’s standards don’t do ANY cold approaching. They base most of their thinking about women on their lack of responses/lack of success from only dating via dating apps.
Get off the dating apps! They’re terrible for any mans self esteem and you would meet and seduce far more women by cold approaching in person. Women can see more of your value as a man by a cold approach and your non-verbals than they ever could by looking at photos on a dating app profile.

And he is a twisted misogynist, I heard him saying that he doesn't go down on women, bla bla, supposedly that isn't alpha.

You think Tate is a ‘twisted misogynist’ so someone who’s twisted and hates women - because he doesn’t go down on women? I know guys who don’t go down on women, they just don’t like it.
Is there ANY other evidence to indicate he HATES women? I haven’t seen it.

Bad boys don't make that much money but they carry their own weight. They take care of themselves, not women.

"Nice guy" works his ass off to keep his house wife and kids happy so he doesn't have to go through hell, but he does anyway. Because he's broke, he's taking care of others constantly And he does so because he afraid of being alone.
the woman can still leave him , **** other guys and take half his sh1t if they get married. If you got kids they will be irreversibly damaged from watching it happen.

Exactly, “bad boys” live a life of confidence and abundance. If they don’t like the behaviour of a woman, they leave and know they can have other high quality women in their lives.

“Nice guys” usually tend to live a life of fear and scarcity - which makes them miserable and accepting of terrible treatment not just by women, but by everyone. They think if they have high standards and act on those standards, they fear being alone, or not being able to have better options in their life and with women.

I think most guys have either experienced a girl who seemed conservative to you, but then you found out she was the biggest party slvt for your local chads.

Or they've banged a girl easily then found out her boyfriend thinks she's The One.

The fear of most men when they meet a woman and that woman asks them to “wait for sex” and they haven’t asked other men to do that same waiting - she views you as inferior to those men who didn’t wait before you and she’s therefore “settling” for you, when she thinks she’s had better.

Whereas if a woman has sex with you on the first or second date, that fear is irrelevant. If she’s had sex with guys before you on the first date or first time meeting, then she basically views you as her best or thereabouts equal to the men before you.

In my experience, if she’s making you wait more than 4 dates and isn’t a virgin, she doesn’t have a burning desire for you, she doesn’t believe you have other options and she may be settling for you.

But I’ve had sex with many virgins within 3 dates - so even that rule can be broken for most women in Western countries.

 

[BadBoy89]

The popular saying is that women like bad boys and hate nice guys which has some merit, but it's not entirely true. Sure, women like dominant, masculine, and bold men which are typical traits in bad boys, but that's where it ends. What the Red Pill leaves out is that the bad boys are also taking care of their women, stimulating them emotionally & physically, and giving them a good time.

Bad boys care about themselves first, White Knights care about the woman first,

Now Andrew Tate is a multi-millionaire, not a misogynist, has interesting hobbies, and takes his women out on lavish dates so I think he can get away with a lot more shvt than you can buddy. Now I am not telling guys to just go out and simp, but I am saying that you are going a little overboard on the douchebag game.

BUT BUT BUT, mediocre looking women are over entitled and misbehave. Sorry, but they have something in between their legs that makes them valuable and there's nothing you can do about it. You can continue to whine and moan, but you will just end up a lonely loser incel.

What’s with all the insults? On every post you keep insulting people.

People come in here to learn about seducing women, not to be told off. Mods, this type of insulting and abusive behaviour is allowed? Shouldn’t there be some type of warning or ban given?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Bad boys care about themselves first, White Knights care about the woman first,



What’s with all the insults? On every post you keep insulting people.

People come in here to learn about seducing women, not to be told off. Mods, this type of insulting and abusive behaviour is allowed? Shouldn’t there be some type of warning or ban given?

Okay you are on Third strike! Quit stalking my posts and trying to gas light me and the mods. There’s a very convenient ignore feature if you don’t like me personally. Furthermore, It’s the internet dude, get over your vengeance and go approach women or something. Trust me, I do not care to live in your head rent free.