OLD just isn’t that bad as I had feared…

[Gamisch]

Because being creepy, having a weird vibe, not understanding social dynamics and/or having no conversational skills are going to turn you from an 8 into a 2 or 3. Sad people simply don't understand that no amount of looks can overcome this.

Thank you. Lately a lot of posts are thread worthy, like this one.

This is what I went through this year. Coming out of a LTR broken significantly dropped me from 8 to like a 3. Having a 8 pack ,money ect by itself didn't do nothing. I am slowly getting back there tho, also with help from you guys over here.

I dont get why some other posters on here, who meet the stereotypical profiles (ie above 6 feet, white, gymmax) have trouble with women. You get complainers who claim they are too short. I always feel if you fit certain checkmarks there should be no issue.

I would be curious as to why you would not self identify as a chad. With tinder feedback you are at least an 8. You do not have to be a stereotypical GQ model to have a positive experience with OLD. In fact if you look too stereotypically chad it could backfire as women would think you could be catfishing them. I think somewhere between an 8 and 9.5 (ie chadlite range, notice not chad I said chadlite) would do the trick. Sub8s struggle allot more. I self identified as a sub5, not a sub8 btw.

Read my first response. Because you focus on external features, while they way a man views this world is internal. You can have a prime Arnold body ,if your mind tells you you are not worthy that will be the vibe you send out (and determine your results).

You seem like a friendly dude, but you ae the prime example of a man with a defeatist attitude. I really hope we will hear you talk about how you pulled yourself out of it. Would be a great study case for all men.

 

[member160292]

This is what I went through this year. Coming out of a LTR broken significantly dropped me from 8 to like a 3. Having a 8 pack ,money ect by itself didn't do nothing. I am slowly getting back there tho, also with help from you guys over here.

No kiddin'

My first date conversations after the LTR were astronomically bad, I was the cookie cutter boring guy that didn't extract any emotional vibes.

 

[Gamisch]

No kiddin'

My first date conversations after the LTR were astronomically bad, I was the cookie cutter boring guy that didn't extract any emotional vibes.

What were some of the things you did to get out of this cycle?

 

[member160292]

What were some of the things you did to get out of this cycle?

Reading up on the guys that have success on SoSuave tbh.

I got lucky with 2 ONS, which made me more direct and confident on my approach to get more emotional responses.
My habit now is having a 30 minute - 1 hour 'discovery call' before meeting them to understand what sticking points I should call out during the date. This is done from building rapport through texting and then when the topic is better communicated verbally I ask for a call.

I get that guys have a lot of success with quick exchanges and meet, but I want to direct these women into a way I want my relationships to work. Some will follow, some will not. Either way, it's on my accord and the failure will be on me. Plus, I'm a short dude born in SE Asia

 

[European-DJ]

What dating site are you on i don't think you mentioned that match.com sucks and i think you should stay away from ashley madison for obvious reasons and seeking arrangements from what i hear is very underrated.

Hinge and tinder

 

[eli77]

Hinge and tinder

I know for a fact due to an article i read in consumer report magazine that those two are highly overrated compared to zoosk and plenty of fish.

 

[European-DJ]

I know for a fact due to an article i read in consumer report magazine that those two are highly overrated compared to zoosk and plenty of fish.

i have more dates than I can handle at the moment. To the point that I am getting stressed… like, I double booked myself for tomorrow and triple booked for Friday, and I can’t be asked to cancel.. so for me they work a bit too well and I am actually thinking about deleted the app again lol..

 

[European-DJ]

Reading up on the guys that have success on SoSuave tbh.

I got lucky with 2 ONS, which made me more direct and confident on my approach to get more emotional responses.
My habit now is having a 30 minute - 1 hour 'discovery call' before meeting them to understand what sticking points I should call out during the date. This is done from building rapport through texting and then when the topic is better communicated verbally I ask for a call.

I get that guys have a lot of success with quick exchanges and meet, but I want to direct these women into a way I want my relationships to work. Some will follow, some will not. Either way, it's on my accord and the failure will be on me. Plus, I'm a short dude born in SE Asia

once the first ONS is behind you it starts a snowball effect which lasts until you go exclusive /land a new LTR.

Am very happy for your success man!

 

[European-DJ]

i have more dates than I can handle at the moment. To the point that I am getting stressed… like, I double booked myself for tomorrow and triple booked for Friday, and I can’t be asked to cancel.. so for me they work a bit too well and I am actually thinking about deleted the app again lol..

tonight was the first of my two double booked nights and I managed to meet both of them.

First girl I met at a bar at 7pm - cute blonde, blue eyes with a nice boob job (had absolutely no idea as she wasn’t wearing revealing stuff on her profile). She was very pleasant from the beginning and the convo was great. Within 30 min I knew that I could bring her home with me if i wanted to, but this obviously wasn’t a viable option as I had a second date at the same bar @ 10pm… also, my second date was - surprise, surprise - Asian, which I have a massive preference for.

anyway, we have a good time and I rotate her into another bar nearby around 10pm as to avoid date #2. We make out in the second bar and she’s clearly pushing for us to go to hers. I reject and tell her I don’t do SNL, but that I would love to see her again Saturday. She gets a bit offended but agrees and I follow her out to her cab…

Meanwhile, date #2 has arrived and I am already 15 min late. She’s clearly not pleased with me being late and - relatively - drunk.. the date is tense for the first 20 min as I am chatting svit, but then gets better and she starts easing up. By midnight I go for the kiss but she rejects me and I shortly after say that I better get going. Here it gets interesting, as she agrees to it, but says that we should go to my place (wtf..?). Anyway, i pick up the bar tan and she orders and pays for the Uber to mine. She puts up some weird last minute resistance game, which I can’t be asked to deal with so I turn my back and go to bed… within 5-10 minutes she’s grabbing my dvck and we end up ****ing. She has an absolutely stunning Body...

I am cancelling my dates tonight as it’s been an absolutely stressful and draining experience. Am literally sat here in my bed (just asked her to leave as I couldn’t sleep with her around) and am thinking to myself why the hell I didn’t get on the apps earlier, and the same time revisiting my thought of deleting them again, as I feel a bit disgusted by the ease with which these girls sleep with people…

 

[corrector]

am thinking to myself why the hell I didn’t get on the apps earlier,

This is what I could not figure out about you.

and the same time revisiting my thought of deleting them again, as I feel a bit disgusted by the ease with which these girls sleep with people…

Yeah, it is lacking class compared to the other story about visiting Toronto. I'm not incel-envying that experience at all. I can see why you would feel that way. Why don't you meet more classier women through a proper dating website rather than these apps or daygame and you'll have a better experience that even incels like myself would feel bad reading. When I'm not feeling bad reading an account then something is off. Guess when I hear the words "drunk", and "bar", and some aspects about the story and feeling disgusted with the girl after, it sounds like @Zimbabwe doing that fat girl in Australia then feeling disgusted he went with her afterwards...but you said she had a stunning body, so I guess it must have been her smell, or something else that was off about her? Almost sounds like a free prostitute.

 

[European-DJ]

This is what I could not figure out about you.



Yeah, it is lacking class compared to the other story about visiting Toronto. I'm not incel-envying that experience at all. I can see why you would feel that way. Why don't you meet more classier women through a proper dating website rather than these apps or daygame and you'll have a better experience that even incels like myself would feel bad reading. When I'm not feeling bad reading an account then something is off. Guess when I hear the words "drunk", and "bar", and some aspects about the story and feeling disgusted with the girl after, it sounds like @Zimbabwe doing that fat girl in Australia then feeling disgusted he went with her afterwards...but you said she had a stunning body, so I guess it must have been her smell, or something else that was off about her? Almost sounds like a free prostitute.

I think it was that she was so easy. The other girl too. They seemed like nice people. The Toronto story I agree with. So much nicer. Hope I see her again one day.

Also, I dislike bars and want to reduce drinking, but where do I take them otherwise? Out for ice cream?

by the way. Body 9/10 and face 8/10, as in, smoking hot. I don’t fcck ugly and fat girls. I can’t stay hard.

 

[member160292]

Awesome job, OP! If any chick agrees to go out after 9PM, that's a clear invitation to go back to your place

 

[corrector]

Also, I dislike bars and want to reduce drinking, but where do I take them otherwise? Out for ice cream?

What's wrong with ice cream? You seem to be doing great just as you are, so you don't have to check-mark everything. The Asian girl you met at a Starbucks, not a bar. Therefore, you don't have to just look at bars.

I don’t fcck ugly and fat girls.

Ok, noted. This means that you are not spoiling lower tiered women. Don't know why other higher-looks guys do that if hot 8/9 girls are that easy anyway. Does not make sense.

 

[European-DJ]

What's wrong with ice cream? You seem to be doing great just as you are, so you don't have to check-mark everything. The Asian girl you met at a Starbucks, not a bar. Therefore, you don't have to just look at bars.



Ok, noted. This means that you are not spoiling lower tiered women. Don't know why other higher-looks guys do that if hot 8/9 girls are that easy anyway. Does not make sense.

i think there is a misconception of lower tier girls being easier. It’s just not the case. Pretty girls are just as easy - if not easier as guys are typically to shy to make an approach.

It’s like life in general. Treat everyone the same despite looks / background (and please read this as: treat everyone equally NICE - absolutely no reason in life not to be a good person)

 

[European-DJ]

What's wrong with ice cream? You seem to be doing great just as you are, so you don't have to check-mark everything. The Asian girl you met at a Starbucks, not a bar. Therefore, you don't have to just look at bars.



Ok, noted. This means that you are not spoiling lower tiered women. Don't know why other higher-looks guys do that if hot 8/9 girls are that easy anyway. Does not make sense.

also, I am taking your advise and inviting this very lovely French/Chinese girl out for ice cream today for a “wholesome” date. Have even proposed going to mine after to finish this Lego set that I am building. Will let you know how it goes (if you’re interested)

 

[Zimbabwe]

This is what I could not figure out about you.



Yeah, it is lacking class compared to the other story about visiting Toronto. I'm not incel-envying that experience at all. I can see why you would feel that way. Why don't you meet more classier women through a proper dating website rather than these apps or daygame and you'll have a better experience that even incels like myself would feel bad reading. When I'm not feeling bad reading an account then something is off. Guess when I hear the words "drunk", and "bar", and some aspects about the story and feeling disgusted with the girl after, it sounds like @Zimbabwe doing that fat girl in Australia then feeling disgusted he went with her afterwards...but you said she had a stunning body, so I guess it must have been her smell, or something else that was off about her? Almost sounds like a free prostitute.

 

[European-DJ]

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This is “the fat girl”?

 

[Zimbabwe]

This is “the fat girl”?

No lol, I've met so many slvts on OLD that I have lost track now

 

[corrector]

No lol, I've met so many slvts on OLD that I have lost track now

You went with an escort and then a fat girl according to your past posts. You said the escort experience was too mechanical and was disguated after doing the fat girl. I dont know much about anything else and that was referenced some time ago, either last year or early this year. Perhaps you have a story about breaking a dry spell and are successful now?

The point was not to poke at you but to point out your story in the past of feeling disgusted after doing a fat girl. You saw where it was referenced and I never said you were incel or were struggling Do you get disgusted with hot girls too? I dont know, you tell us.

 

[Zimbabwe]

You went with an escort and then a fat girl according to your past posts. You said the escort experience was too mechanical and was disguated after doing the fat girl. I dont know much about anything else and that was referenced some time ago, either last year or early this year. Perhaps you have a story about breaking a dry spell and are successful now?

The point was not to poke at you but to point out your story in the past of feeling disgusted after doing a fat girl. You saw where it was referenced and I never said you were incel or were struggling Do you get disgusted with hot girls too? I dont know, you tell us.

I am disgusted with slvts, all I have ever wanted was a good traditional Conservative woman to marry