I first came to this forum 15 years ago

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Back then I was a 14 year old virgin. We had this thing called the "donjuan bootcamp" where guys would go out and progressively work on social confidence. Man that was awesome, it was mostly a positive place. Now a days I have had quite a bit of success with women.

I have been back on the forum for one day - and think I am likely to leave it.

I am so disappointed at the incredible amount of negativity - it is hard to even read, energy draining. Seems this place is not really a place for improvement but a place to complain for the most part.

Well, it was a great place. To the guys who really want to better themselves, take care.

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I am so disappointed at the incredible amount of negativity - it is hard to even read, energy draining. Seems this place is not really a place for improvement but a place to complain for the most part.
It's OVER for NegativityCels.
 

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Back then I was a 14 year old virgin. We had this thing called the "donjuan bootcamp" where guys would go out and progressively work on social confidence. Man that was awesome, it was mostly a positive place. Now a days I have had quite a bit of success with women.

I have been back on the forum for one day - and think I am likely to leave it.

I am so disappointed at the incredible amount of negativity - it is hard to even read, energy draining. Seems this place is not really a place for improvement but a place to complain for the most part.

Well, it was a great place. To the guys who really want to better themselves, take care.

And
Game works :
Read the mystery method
Articles by cajun
A bit of Todd V
Would you say the dating market is that same as it was 15 years ago?

There's always r/seduction if you want sugarcoating.
 

Who Dares Win

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Back then I was a 14 year old virgin. We had this thing called the "donjuan bootcamp" where guys would go out and progressively work on social confidence. Man that was awesome, it was mostly a positive place. Now a days I have had quite a bit of success with women.

I have been back on the forum for one day - and think I am likely to leave it.

I am so disappointed at the incredible amount of negativity - it is hard to even read, energy draining. Seems this place is not really a place for improvement but a place to complain for the most part.

Well, it was a great place. To the guys who really want to better themselves, take care.

And
Game works :
Read the mystery method
Articles by cajun
A bit of Todd V
The dating market 15 years ago compared to now was as good as the world itself in the same time.

Do you really wanna compare life in 2022 to 2007?

That's like comparing fresh strawberries to rotten apples.
 

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Many guys blame the times. Sure, we live in a different time, but that's no excuse to complain about how bad it is. Is that all it takes to break a man into a pathetic whiner? Just hit a rough spot in the ever developing history of humanity?

When I joined this forum almost 10 years ago it was about how to do it, not how it doesn't work because X, Y and Z. No matter what time we live in it's all about how to do it for me. It's just different now and it's only hard for those who don't get with the times.

There is no such thing as having it all figured out and whatever man thinks so is at the beginning of their decline, it seems these men are plentiful.

Sadly it seems very few care about how to be successful anymore, but they're still around sharing their experience.
 
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The dating market is the best it’s ever been for me right now. Maybe getting mature where everything just clicked. I’m dating early 20’s in my mid 30’s which I never thought in my imagination a decade ago.

Life is good, and also what you make out of it :)
 

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I agree with you @madeit, but there’s not much to do. There’s still some very good posters active on the bulletin and when asked they provide solid advise. Just ignore the negativity.
 

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Back then I was a 14 year old virgin. We had this thing called the "donjuan bootcamp" where guys would go out and progressively work on social confidence. Man that was awesome, it was mostly a positive place. Now a days I have had quite a bit of success with women.

I have been back on the forum for one day - and think I am likely to leave it.

I am so disappointed at the incredible amount of negativity - it is hard to even read, energy draining. Seems this place is not really a place for improvement but a place to complain for the most part.

Well, it was a great place. To the guys who really want to better themselves, take care.

And
Game works :
Read the mystery method
Articles by cajun
A bit of Todd V
What was your previous username from back then? I've been here since 2008.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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BillyPilgrim

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It's just different now and it's only hard for those who don't get with the times.
Are you promoting conformity to a corrupt society?

Discernment before serenity, always. Duh.
 

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TBH society feels kind of negative ever since the age of Instagram. Everything was so naive and such before that day and age but since the age of dating apps, it has been kind of negative and pessimistic. However OP, remember, in the age of negativity and sorrow, those who are positive, optimistic, and doers tend to shine even brighter. I have posted my field reports thread for you to follow my journey. The negativity is everywhere brother, even in game groups, so the positive men must come together and improve the vibe rather than fall victim to it.

Keep your head up OP, we are all gonna make it if we do it right. Stay positive and test negative bro.
 

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Are you promoting conformity to a corrupt society?

Discernment before serenity, always. Duh.
You don't have to agree to everything you associate with that to use the parts that matter to achieve your personal goals.

You're the "change the world" type? Good luck with your life of disappointment.
 

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Do you really wanna compare life in 2022 to 2007?
We are now literally in another dimension.

I was in my mid 20’s back then... I remember my cousin got married to a girl he met on the internet and that was taboo. It’s hard to imagine but at that time guys and girls using dating sites were usually viewed as being weird or unable to cut it in the real world.

Now if you can actually talk to chicks in public your the rarity.
 
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Stick around please. I've been on these forums since early 2000's and it has contributed much to my success personally, career-wise and relationships. I wouldn't be the man I am today without SoSuave, not having much of a father figure. I agree that there is negativity, and that's why you should share your lessons learned. Pass it on to the young'ins that are looking for guidance. We'll right this ship
 

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Back in 2008 it was weird to meet your LTR/ONS on OLD or any internet stuff.

Now it's the norm!

The game changed because of internet, it's soo much easier to be "red pill" aware or know PUA tricks due to the web. Girls are aware of that, and they are natural gamer.

I do wish there was more people sharing experience instead of talking about "market conditions".

The only stuff you can influence is YOU.

You are the only variable you CONTROL.

Focus on instropecting, developing game, pua techniques. Become the market you seek.

" drop Mic"
 
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I would say that it’s actually a little easier to be in the sexual marketplace now then it was in 2008. Even back then the Internet was still gaining popularity and people (men in particular) still had good social skills and ability to talk to others in real life situations.

You had just as many people aware of “Game” as you have today but with the added ability to engage in a real life setting.

Today “Game” has become almost like a joke and isn’t taken seriously at all. Most of this new internet age of people regard it as some lame fake trick and nothing more, almost the same way as we see MLM or Amway as an investment and business opportunity. “Game” has lost its buzz and people don’t believe it works anymore ...... this is a very good thing !

It means you can go out interact with others and actually apply nearly everything and it should work. Why you ask ? Well as advanced in tech as we are now and the whole being online and connected to everyone at all times everyone is they all LACK the ability to engage with a human face to face. Makes getting new plates very easy now. It’s like a breath of fresh air for these women to engage with a man that isn’t glued to his screen or social media platform vying for attention like every female out there is.

In my opinion keep improving yourself and keep the ability the engage with people in a real life scenario instead of online. It makes you instantly different. Also having hobbies that aren’t associated with anything with the computer screen also makes you different.
Different in a good way.

At 38 I feel more like a man in a boys world more than ever now. Things are just easier now. Well for me anyway.
 

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I, too, am disappointed to see the same negativity here that I was trying to leave behind when I left the Blackpilled forums and decided to seriously work towards ascension, but I have a hard time seeing how the community could have degraded this much if game continued working as well as it did the whole time and the market didn't become genuinely much harder. Also, whilst being able to confidently approach in real life makes you a standout now, I was under the impression that this doesn't matter nor make things any easier because the online dating Chads are competing for the same girls that you approach in real life.
 

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I, too, am disappointed to see the same negativity here that I was trying to leave behind when I left the Blackpilled forums and decided to seriously work towards ascension, but I have a hard time seeing how the community could have degraded this much if game continued working as well as it did the whole time and the market didn't become genuinely much harder. Also, whilst being able to confidently approach in real life makes you a standout now, I was under the impression that this doesn't matter nor make things any easier because the online dating Chads are competing for the same girls that you approach in real life.
I wouldn’t worry about how hard or how easy it is. From my own perspective things for me have become easier which could be that I’m more mature now and much more secure in my mental/emotional/financial ability.

But “Game” as a whole has always been about a numbers game and you won’t pull every girl you speak to. But If you’ve managed to create a lifestyle that’s a little different and you can stand on your own feet with a little bit of extra money left to enjoy a few creature comforts you should have a much easier time pulling women as most of this generation are stuck living with parents or flatting.

You can however pull women without money, heck I got more women when I was broke living out of my car then I do today. But you have to accept that these women are here for a fun time not a long time.

Pick what you want out of your life and then choose which type of women you want and pursue accordingly. You’re still going to get rejected more often than not BUT as your lifestyle improves so does your chances with most women ( as long as you’re not a creep ).

Just don’t take it personally and keep doing you and enjoy the journey. People tend to overthink and overreact with everything. The only thing worth the time to brutally analyse is improvements in your own “Self”, everything else is meh “temporary”.

I remember an old post here talking about life being a one way cycle lane. You leave childhood behind with the lessons you learnt (good and bad) and you join the millions of others on this journey. Some paths will ride along you others will intersect and others still will branch off. You make a decision and you see it through. You can always pull over to the side at a resting stop and decide to spend some time with the people at this particular rest stop. You might even stay there forever and have a family. But the one way cycle lane is always there and if you want you can always jump back into it. Just remember once you leave something behind chances are you won’t come back to it so realise this and prepare to make some decisions that may hurt you.

For me the one way cycle lane ends at the top of a cliff at a small tent with an old man sitting by a campfire. He is your soul and he will ask you some simple questions. Did you live a good life ? Did you have fun ? Did you love whole heartedly? Were you a decent person ? Did you leave behind a legacy ? Among other personal questions.

Then you sit down with this old man (your soul) and well I don’t know what happens then but I’d like to have some solid answers for when I get to that clifftop and meet that old man.

Take what you want and leave everything behind. Just some knowledge I picked up over the years
 
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