Gaslighting

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This is a topic rarely discussed, and may slightly border on black-pill. Before you read on, I'd highly suggest watching this video:


I've now realized most women do low-key gaslighting by default, and it may even be unconscious. While other women may do more malicious, intentional gaslighting (ie implanting false memories), that's another subject altogether.

Many men will advise to act "aloof" and "indifferent" when women do low-key gaslighting tactics (some shvt tests and "games" fall under gaslighting tactics). No. Stop thinking like this. Unless you are autistic (ie Nathan Fielder), you are not going to be truly unreactive, after a certain point. You might not care for the first few months but if they continually do gaslighting tactics and your only response is to be "aloof" you're being too passive and all you're doing is enabling further disrespect.

The first time a women gaslights you, you must address it. You will know it immediately. The offense might seem like something small, but that's just it: it's not small. It is exactly what you think it is. You would not feel it in your gut if it was something small.

For instance, she might do some borderline "flirting" right in front of you. This is not acceptable. This does not make you "insecure" or "jealous" or "controlling" to call her out, that is exactly what she wants you to think, and many men here literally buy into that ****. It shows how effective women have been in controlling the narrative. Let me emphatically state that even if it does not affect you (which it shouldn't) if you do not nip it in the bud, it may very likely only get worse.

Things like this are a blatant sign of disrespect. Understand that some women will stay with you if they lose genuine attraction and respect for you, just for the security of having the power in the relationship. This is a beyond worthless position to be in. If a women cannot respect you, it means she cannot love you, and she should be nexted immediately.

Many men have the attitude of pretending not to care. But you do care, stop kidding yourselves. We act so idealistic, but refuse to acknowledge that we're all flawed human beings with insecurities and vulnerabilities. But again, it's moot: even if you truly don't care, the mere fact that she's doing it at all is the issue. To put this in another context: if a girl mentions she wants to get drinks with "a friend" and spend the night, whether or not you care, and whether or not she's planning on fvcking him is irrelevant: the very fact she mentions this to you is a serious sign of disrespect because she's trying to make you insecure.

Stop being passive. Stop enabling this. Put your foot down and be a fvcking man. When women actively try to gain the power, your only response should be to call them out on it, calmly, and in few words, then withdraw attention. If they don't stop, WALK AWAY.
 
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And some people may want to respond "but if you act aloof, and do nothing, she'll stop". Not necessarily. If anything, it may demonstrate to her that a) she can get away with it and b) she'll need to crank it up to 11 to get a reaction.

Another response I am anticipating "quality women with high IL won't gaslight". I do not believe this is the case. I literally saw my mom doing it to her boyfriend (she's well past retirement age); she's a lovely women; he's a "man's man" type.

I truly believe this behavior is ubiqitous in women, to varying degrees, and the line between testing and gaslighting is probably a gray area. I know this is a problem in communities like these where everything is black and white.

We all know women will shvt test a man she likes, even if it's just once in a blue moon. Women do not shvt test bums. The key difference is that quality women just do it far less and it's more in the realm of frame testing than insidious manipulation/gaslighting.
 
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This is a topic rarely discussed, and may slightly border on black-pill. Before you read on, I'd highly suggest watching this video:


I've now realized most women do low-key gaslighting by default, and it may even be unconscious. While other women may do more malicious, intentional gaslighting (ie implanting false memories), that's another subject altogether.

Many men will advise to act "aloof" and "indifferent" when women do low-key gaslighting tactics (some shvt tests and "games" fall under gaslighting tactics). No. Stop thinking like this. Unless you are autistic (ie Nathan Fielder), you are not going to be truly unreactive, after a certain point. You might not care for the first few months but if they continually do gaslighting tactics and your only response is to be "aloof" you're being too passive and all you're doing is enabling further disrespect.

The first time a women gaslights you, you must address it. You will know it immediately. The offense might seem like something small, but that's just it: it's not small. It is exactly what you think it is. You would not feel it in your gut if it was something small.

For instance, she might do some borderline "flirting" right in front of you. This is not acceptable. This does not make you "insecure" or "jealous" or "controlling" to call her out, that is exactly what she wants you to think, and many men here literally buy into that ****. It shows how effective women have been in controlling the narrative. Let me emphatically state that even if it does not affect you (which it shouldn't) if you do not nip it in the bud, it may very likely only get worse.
This happened when I was out at a club with a girl. She was 1/2 way between FWB & GF. She did this. I countered by flirting with another girl. And swapping #s. That worked. She got upset. She never did that again. We became BF/GF not long after.
 

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This happened when I was out at a club with a girl. She was 1/2 way between FWB & GF. She did this. I countered by flirting with another girl. And swapping #s. That worked. She got upset. She never did that again. We became BF/GF not long after.
Yeah, that's another possible solution to that situation. That sounds to me like it was more of a test, especially if you're at the transitory stage.
 

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This is a topic rarely discussed, and may slightly border on black-pill. Before you read on, I'd highly suggest watching this video:


I've now realized most women do low-key gaslighting by default, and it may even be unconscious. While other women may do more malicious, intentional gaslighting (ie implanting false memories), that's another subject altogether.

Many men will advise to act "aloof" and "indifferent" when women do low-key gaslighting tactics (some shvt tests and "games" fall under gaslighting tactics). No. Stop thinking like this. Unless you are autistic (ie Nathan Fielder), you are not going to be truly unreactive, after a certain point. You might not care for the first few months but if they continually do gaslighting tactics and your only response is to be "aloof" you're being too passive and all you're doing is enabling further disrespect.

The first time a women gaslights you, you must address it. You will know it immediately. The offense might seem like something small, but that's just it: it's not small. It is exactly what you think it is. You would not feel it in your gut if it was something small.

For instance, she might do some borderline "flirting" right in front of you. This is not acceptable. This does not make you "insecure" or "jealous" or "controlling" to call her out, that is exactly what she wants you to think, and many men here literally buy into that ****. It shows how effective women have been in controlling the narrative. Let me emphatically state that even if it does not affect you (which it shouldn't) if you do not nip it in the bud, it may very likely only get worse.

Things like this are a blatant sign of disrespect. Understand that some women will stay with you if they lose genuine attraction and respect for you, just for the security of having the power in the relationship. This is a beyond worthless position to be in. If a women cannot respect you, it means she cannot love you, and she should be nexted immediately.

Many men have the attitude of pretending not to care. But you do care, stop kidding yourselves. We act so idealistic, but refuse to acknowledge that we're all flawed human beings with insecurities and vulnerabilities. But again, it's moot: even if you truly don't care, the mere fact that she's doing it at all is the issue. To put this in another context: if a girl mentions she wants to get drinks with "a friend" and spend the night, whether or not you care, and whether or not she's planning on fvcking him is irrelevant: the very fact she mentions this to you is a serious sign of disrespect because she's trying to make you insecure.

Stop being passive. Stop enabling this. Put your foot down and be a fvcking man. When women actively try to gain the power, your only response should be to call them out on it, calmly, and in few words, then withdraw attention. If they don't stop, WALK AWAY.
And you guys thought there was no longer any gold to be mined here on SS? Read this post again and put it in the bank. Great insight and articulation, @FlexpertHamilton.
 

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My woman used to do the standard gaslighting / shvt tests in our first 6 months to try to get what she wants. After failing, she now just remarks “you remind me of my father. You’re going to be a great husband and father.”
Examples?
 

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Examples?
Lying about not doing something I specifically told her to do. Auctioning off my time and work without my consent (“yeah give it to EyeB he will do it”). Then of course telling me to accept her half ass apologies. It takes some hiccups to get a woman trained up. They always test boundaries.
 

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OP - good post.

All women engage in gas lighting whenever an argument ensues. You will quickly see that the argument almost immediately becomes about something completely unrelated to the issue that initially started it. I agree that you should explain ONCE why she is in the wrong and also let her know in said explanation that her gaslighting is inappropriate. If she persists, you exit the conversation and apply S&D. Because I do disagree with the idea that you can hammer something into a woman's mind with words. The only thing they understand is a consequence for their action; that consequence is that if they act out, they lose your care and attention.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Lying about not doing something I specifically told her to do. Auctioning off my time and work without my consent (“yeah give it to EyeB he will do it”). Then of course telling me to accept her half ass apologies. It takes some hiccups to get a woman trained up. They always test boundaries.
Those aren't so bad, sounds more like typical feminine horse ****. But yeah, you'll need to train any woman to be a good GF.
 

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Oh yeah, one other thing:

Once you recognize gaslighting techniques used by women, you'll see it everywhere. Your friend(s) may do it, mid management at your workplace almost certainly does it, the news media does it, hell your mom might even do it, if not to you, to your Dad or other men.

This is something I think is so pervasive that people don't even notice it anymore, and instead they just put their head in the sand. Trust yourself enough to know when someone is full of shvt, and cut them out of your life immediately. I'm sure most of you have heard ad nauseam to cut out "toxic people" in your life - if you need reassurance that it's the right choice, look for any signs of gaslighting, no matter how small.
 
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