Peak manliness for men at late 30s?

[Who Dares Win]

First of all, I dont buy at all that funny theory about men peaking late in life (40s and more) that some delusional guys spread here.

I believe peak looks for a guy doing the right moves from the beginning comes in his 20s (wheter its early or lates according to his genes) as much as peak performance comes in his late 20s.

Late bloomers may simply be guys that didnt make the right move from the beginning and just recovered later.

Now talking about manliness in terms of looks, personality and aura I believe for most men comes not earlier than mid to late 30s.

I will use some example of famous people to better explain the idea, ofc famous people are hardly the best way to prove a rule.

Gerard Butler 300, 37 at the time.

Of all the actors available they pick a man in his late 30s for the role of the king of Sparta.

Daniel Craig, 007 Casino Royale

Of all the actors available they pick this man in his late 30s to begin the new 007.

Brad Pitt, fight club

At age 37 he is chosen to portrait the self confident rebel personality of the main character which for what I recall is much younger at the time.

It seems to me at in his late 20s and early 30s you're more fresh and cool but not that convincing while later than that you're supposed to be more "compliant" and integrated into polite society.

 

[Bible_Belt]

If you look at professional athletes, after 40 is borrowed time, at least if your name isn't Tom Brady.

 

[EyeBRollin]

If you look at professional athletes, after 40 is borrowed time, at least if your name isn't Tom Brady.

Pro athletes is a huge extreme. Not indicative of the male population as a whole.

Financially men peak around 45-55. Physically men decline precipitously starting at 40. So we have to gather somewhere between 35-40 is probably peak for a man all things considered.

 

[SW15]

25-30 is likely the peak. That's when it is easiest to seduce women at their physical peaks, which is 18-25.

The typical 35-39 year old unattached guy is a pusssy beggar for women close to his own age, who are women past their prime.

That's why I could never buy the whole SMV chart that has men peaking around 36-37. Maybe a small percentage of men 36-37 experience an SMV boost but most men never experience the late 30s described in the SMV charts.

 

[EyeBRollin]

25-30 is likely the peak. That's when it is easiest to seduce women at their physical peaks, which is 18-25.

Nope. Men at that age generally don’t have the resources to seduce prime age HB8+. The exception being professional athletes.

 

[SW15]

Nope. Men at that age generally don’t have the resources to seduce prime age HB8+. The exception being professional athletes.

Late 30s men also typically don't have the resources either. They end up settling some mediocre woman close to their own age because that's the best that they can do.

It is better to be a late 20s guy with a woman close to your own age than a late 30s guy with a woman close to your own age.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Late 30s men also typically don't have the resources either. They end up settling some mediocre woman close to their own age because that's the best that they can do.

It is better to be a late 20s guy with a woman close to your own age than a late 30s guy with a woman close to your own age.

See my post above.

You are going off the market 10 years ago. Today, HB8+ are fully inaccessible to 98% of men. Even average women want men in the top 10-20%. Bvtches are getting flown out. A 25 year old Chad in your city is competing with a 38 year old Chad from NYC with 10Xs the money and a blue Instagram check mark .

 

[SW15]

I think there's a situation where we are seeing different parts of the same overall picture.

You are going off the market 10 years ago. Today, HB8+ are fully inaccessible to 98% of men. Even average women want men in the top 10-20%.

In the last 10-15 years, I have seen more of average women acting entitled and demanding the Top 10-20%. I've had women in the 4.5-5.5 range reject me as a 7. That's insane and insulting. At the same time, I have also had sex with women 7+ too, but they were closer to my own age. From 35-39, I haven't been pulling 10+ years younger. So I never experienced a great SMV bump from 35-39.

The guys I've made friends with in my current city are definitely beta males. All ended up marrying or cohabiting with women near the own ages. No one with anyone above 7-7.5 at any time in their interaction. One male friend now in his mid-30s has been with the same woman since college. He got her peak SMV years. I first met her when she was 23. I would have rated her a 7 at 23. She definitely started declining in looks around 27.

The friends I've made since the early 2010s and my overall social sphere in my city is not a representative sample. I dislike that I'm influenced by what I've observed with them.

To the main point of this thread, I don't see a lot of 35-39 year old men killing it out on the open market. I see 37 year old men who are childless settling for mediocre 35 year olds and the men are lucky if the 35 year old woman is childless.

A 25 year old Chad in your city is competing with a 38 year old Chad from NYC with 10Xs the money and a blue Instagram check mark .

There is more of that in the last 10 years.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I've had women in the 4.5-5.5 range reject me as a 7. That's insane and insulting. At the same time, I have also had sex with women 7+ too, but they were closer to my own age.

I think you are inflating the ratings. HB7+ women are rare and generally don’t mess with civilians. HB8 is the start of supermodel looks. HB7 are most Instagram caliber girls. The average “hot” girl you see on the street is more like a 6/7. Average civilian girls are 4/5.

 

[Am Shaegar]

Arnold Schwarzenegger. He won his first Mister Universe Title with the age 19, but his big movie career started with Conan the Barbarian in 1982 when he was 35 and his movie pause came only in 2003 after Terminator 3 when he was 53. If you know his classic movies, he became old and middle aged looking in 1996 Jingle All the Way/End of Days/Batman&Robin. Arnold was 49 at that point.

I think he is a good example for men who put work into their body and stay fit, even if they don't abuse drugs like Arnold did.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I'm talking about PEAK MANLINESS not athletic peak or sexual one.

It's not a mistery that most sportsmen peak in their late 20s/early 30s while most guys score hotties the most mid 20s/early 30s.

Yet hardly a man below 35 gets choosen as leader.

 

[SW15]

I've had women in the 4.5-5.5 range reject me as a 7. That's insane and insulting. At the same time, I have also had sex with women 7+ too, but they were closer to my own age.

I think you are inflating the ratings. HB7+ women are rare and generally don’t mess with civilians. HB8 is the start of supermodel looks. HB7 are most Instagram caliber girls. The average “hot” girl you see on the street is more like a 6/7. Average civilian girls are 4/5.

I actually prefer Blackdragon method for rating attractiveness of women than assigning actual numbers to it.

The Hotness Scale - Alpha Male 2.0

I have spoken before about the four-level scale I use for physical female attractiveness, but I’ve never fully described it or explained it. In this article I will do so as well as explain why I use this scale rather than the usual and highly inaccurate 1 to 10 scale.

alphamale20.com

Under a numerical scale, you can have Instagram caliber women in the 7-8.9 range. That'd be upper level cute and hot.

To me, below average is 0-3.9 numerically. Average is 4-5.9. Cute is 6-7.9. Hot is 8+.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I actually prefer Blackdragon method for rating attractiveness of women than assigning actual numbers to it.

The Hotness Scale - Alpha Male 2.0

I have spoken before about the four-level scale I use for physical female attractiveness, but I’ve never fully described it or explained it. In this article I will do so as well as explain why I use this scale rather than the usual and highly inaccurate 1 to 10 scale.

alphamale20.com

Under a numerical scale, you can have Instagram caliber women in the 7-8.9 range. That'd be upper level cute and hot.

To me, below average is 0-3.9 numerically. Average is 4-5.9. Cute is 6-7.9. Hot is 8+.

This is an extremely fair argument. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

25-30 is the peak otherwise you will need financial clout to compensate or you will be significantly nerfed.

 

[Slowhandluke]

25-30 is the peak otherwise you will need financial clout to compensate or you will be significantly nerfed.

This makes no sense. It's like saying "financially independent women peak at 30-35 unless she as the clout of being attractive and beautiful showing classic markers of fertility." Obviously, one of the most important traits that men look for is fertility which is at 18-23. Can't we just say most women peak at 18-23 instead?

For guys, it's about resources and social standing. Can't we just say he peaks at the age where most men obtain this WHICH IS NOT 25-30? So instead of adding a qualifier "otherwise you will need financial clout to compensate or you will be significantly nerfed.". We can just say, average men peak at X year.

I agree with 35-40 in my honest opinion. This is when most men peak.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

This makes no sense. It's like saying "financially independent women peak at 30-35 unless she as the clout of being attractive and beautiful showing classic markers of fertility." Obviously, one of the most important traits that men look for is fertility which is at 18-23. Can't we just say most women peak at 18-23 instead?

For guys, it's about resources and social standing. Can't we just say he peaks at the age where most men obtain this WHICH IS NOT 25-30? So instead of adding a qualifier "otherwise you will need financial clout to compensate or you will be significantly nerfed.". We can just say, average men peak at X year.

I agree with 35-40 in my honest opinion. This is when most men peak.

We are talking about men not women. As a man, a low financial status will start to limit your dating pool significantly after age 25. Lower income older women tend to be overweight and have kids out If wedlock. Your only option is to be that creepy old guy that posts up in his camaro at the HS Sonic hangout.

 

[Dr.Suave]

My dad, may he RIP, used to say men peaked at 35. In a way, I agree. But also I try to believe theres always something we can improve, so in a way, were are always still peaking. Otherwise what we gonna do after 35? Curl up and die?

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

First of all, I dont buy at all that funny theory about men peaking late in life (40s and more) that some delusional guys spread here.

I believe peak looks for a guy doing the right moves from the beginning comes in his 20s (wheter its early or lates according to his genes) as much as peak performance comes in his late 20s.

Late bloomers may simply be guys that didnt make the right move from the beginning and just recovered later.

Now talking about manliness in terms of looks, personality and aura I believe for most men comes not earlier than mid to late 30s.

I will use some example of famous people to better explain the idea, ofc famous people are hardly the best way to prove a rule.

Gerard Butler 300, 37 at the time.

Of all the actors available they pick a man in his late 30s for the role of the king of Sparta.

Daniel Craig, 007 Casino Royale

Of all the actors available they pick this man in his late 30s to begin the new 007.

Brad Pitt, fight club

At age 37 he is chosen to portrait the self confident rebel personality of the main character which for what I recall is much younger at the time.

It seems to me at in his late 20s and early 30s you're more fresh and cool but not that convincing while later than that you're supposed to be more "compliant" and integrated into polite society.

Bro no. Your peak can be ****ing 11 and onward if your the “man”. I peaked at 18 and then fell off and now I’m “peaking” again at 26 and ain’t stopping. Depends on the man

 

[Who Dares Win]

Bro no. Your peak can be ****ing 11 and onward if your the “man”. I peaked at 18 and then fell off and now I’m “peaking” again at 26 and ain’t stopping. Depends on the man

You only have 1 peak in a life...the others are local tops.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

The average man peaks anywhere between 25-40.

Lowest-end SMV men it's probably <=25 because their youth was the only good quality they ever had before they let themselves decay

Mid/higher tier SMV men, it's probably mid 30s without question

Highest-end SMV men may peak in their 40s or possibly even 50s in rare cases, if considerable wealth/status/wisdom is accumulated while preserving their looks and verility. Take a look at Pierce Brosnan in The Matador, the man is 50 year old silver fox could probably slay 20 year old ***** if he had wanted. He literally hits on highschool girls in the movie (I know it's just a movie but it implies it's not a stretch for someone of his looks).

I would agree with the above poster using examples from movies, and given that Bond when recast is almost always mid 30s. And would add a slightly younger example; Ryan Gosling in Place Beyond the Pines and Drive. No homo, but he was an example of when men physically peak in terms of rugged good looks (early 30s).

But it's not just looks. There are too many factors to consider to say when men really peak. It's also wealth accumulation, status, and of course, masculine energy/charisma/wisdom/etc which in theory will only improve with age as long as you maintain your verility.