Nightclubs are overrated.

[Jesse Pinkman]

It could just be my age as I edge closer to 30 compared to being in my early twenties. Maybe the pandemic did it and re-shaped my view of the world. Lately, I have had the chance to link up with a few promoters and every now and then, I get the chance to get into some events at nightclubs in Miami. While I do have to pay, it is for a lot less than most guys would have to. The big 3 in Miami are obviously Story, LIV, and 11even.

In conjunction with going to nightclubs every other week, maybe once a month, I've also been doing daygame, nightgame at the few quieter and more low-key bars, online game and street game at night. I was not that much of a nightclub guy although in NYC, I went to some of the clubs in Meatpacking here and there. I am here to say that I am one of the few on here who thinks nightclubs are really overrated.

It brings out the worst in people and its a hostile vibe from the get go.

I am fortunate that I have had the chance to connect with some promoters but I can say that bouncers at Miami nightclubs are some of the coldest dudes in the world. It's not just a Miami thing either, they are like that in a lot of places. I remember in Montreal when it was cold and raining, a little over midnight, and some dude was in line. The bouncer lets in the group ahead of him but then when it gets to him, tells the poor guy it's full when there was clearly empty space inside. You notice it in the faces of the girls who have been through a rough night, are on drugs, and are drunk off their behinds. You see it in the faces of guys who have faced nothing but rejection the whole night and are ready to fight at the drop of a dime. But let's talk about the people that actually work at nightclubs.

Nightclubs are not a welcoming environment, you are meant to be judged and hated from the get go. Literally everyone is there to show off and for the Instagram stories. The venue is much more aggressive in terms of making money from having super-overpriced drinks to the guy in the bathroom pestering you for change.

People that work there are delusional failures in life with inflated egos.

The typical nightclub bouncer likely has a record or couldn't find any decent employment after their past life. Other than being built well and being able to fight, they cannot find employment at most other avenues in life. The typical bartender at a nightclub has her looks to go by and makes good money but knows that she is living on borrowed time, as soon as she hits 30, it's dive bars and crappy sports bars for her. After having had the chance to know a few, these people are miserable. The people who are somewhat happy are promoters that are doing it part-time or for fun, full-time promoters are the scummiest and most vile people you will ever meet.

Perhaps the worst part, the environment itself is not conductive to picking up and getting laid.

It is hard to believe but I have been going to nightclubs for years. Any guy that tells me he pulls from nightclubs, unless he has proof, is lying his behind off. Nightclubs are places women go to with large groups of friends. The music is banging loud to where you are usually unable to hear much of anything at all. The dance floor in some nightclubs, especially in Miami, is not accessible unless you are in the VIP so you are left on the outer part of the club with people who didn't want to spend $5k on a freaking table.

Most attractive women are there with large groups and judgment runs high. Guys are hitting on them left and right and getting rejected, that is if she can even hear them. In Miami, the noise is so bad at the nightclubs that the women are immediately leaving so ironically, your best shot is by pulling them through street game which makes paying the high cover charge completely pointless.

Any guy who tells you he pulls regularly from nightclubs either:

1. Works or has a gig there.
2. Pulls girls he came there with.
3. Did street game after the fact and pulled from that.
4. Played the numbers game so hard and hit on damn near every woman in the venue to where he got lucky.

As for number 4, it would be tough to do in a Miami nightclub as the women are all gathered in the massive VIP section.

All the while, your hearing loss gets worse, you stay out till 4 to 5 AM (which is the case for Miami) and lose half of your day the next day sleeping in, and realize how you wasted so much energy on a pointless game.

Meanwhile, your smart friends probably daygamed that 10 at the nightclub and are seeing her.

Don't fall for the farce gents, nightclubs are overrated.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I might be an outlier but I actually prefer nightclubs over bars lol. I just realized that most of my positive experiences on nights out come from clubs and the most negative ones come from bar hopping.

 

[Sgthaytham]

Bars are best. Nightclubs are a mess and a total waste of money, unless you're there to have fun with your mates and you've had pre-drinks.

I'd much rather a bar with live music, a laid-back bar, or even a local pub.

 

[bat soup]

Nightclubs are basically a scam.
- The women are there for validation, attention and free drinks
- The men are the because of the women
- But because the women are just there for validation, the men just end up spending (wasting) their money and their time

The reason that nightclubs let women in for free is that they are the bait.

 

[SW15]

Perhaps the worst part, the environment itself is not conductive to picking up and getting laid.

It is hard to believe but I have been going to nightclubs for years. Any guy that tells me he pulls from nightclubs, unless he has proof, is lying his behind off. Nightclubs are places women go to with large groups of friends. The music is banging loud to where you are usually unable to hear much of anything at all. The dance floor in some nightclubs, especially in Miami, is not accessible unless you are in the VIP so you are left on the outer part of the club with people who didn't want to spend $5k on a freaking table.

Most attractive women are there with large groups and judgment runs high. Guys are hitting on them left and right and getting rejected, that is if she can even hear them. In Miami, the noise is so bad at the nightclubs that the women are immediately leaving so ironically, your best shot is by pulling them through street game which makes paying the high cover charge completely pointless.

Any guy who tells you he pulls regularly from nightclubs either:

1. Works or has a gig there.
2. Pulls girls he came there with.
3. Did street game after the fact and pulled from that.
4. Played the numbers game so hard and hit on damn near every woman in the venue to where he got lucky.

As for number 4, it would be tough to do in a Miami nightclub as the women are all gathered in the massive VIP section.

All the while, your hearing loss gets worse, you stay out till 4 to 5 AM (which is the case for Miami) and lose half of your day the next day sleeping in, and realize how you wasted so much energy on a pointless game.

Meanwhile, your smart friends probably daygamed that 10 at the nightclub and are seeing her.

Don't fall for the farce gents, nightclubs are overrated.

Everything written in the part I quoted is relatable to my experience. Since moving to Dallas, I've been more of a bar person than a nightclub person. I was in my late 20s when I arrived in Dallas. Also, Dallas isn't a nightclub city in the way that Miami, New York City, or Los Angeles have been nightclub places.

I went to nightclubs enough in my early to mid 20s. I did get same night lays at them occasionally but failed more than I succeeded. When I succeeded in that era, it was due to Factor #4 and hit on nearly every woman in the venue.

I think the better way to game bars/nightclubs is solely at quieter venues and would generally recommend weeknight happy hour-ish (5-8 PM) type gaming. I'd still rather do non-bar approaching than weeknight happy hours.

Both bars and nightclubs suffer from the problem women going with large groups of friends. If a woman is part of a group larger than 3, she is not serious about meeting men.

 

[darksprezzatura]

The real question is where do you want to go yourself.

Do you like nightclubs? Go there

Do you like reading cool books? Go to a bookstore

Do you rock climb? Hthe venue

Do you code? Go to a tech meet up

Do you yoga? Hit some yoga classes up

Do you play music? Hit up some bands to jam

Create a lifestyle you’d enjoy alone. It has to involve some form of social e

I guarantee you, you’d find women.

But here is when the struggle begins.

When a guy crafts a life and starts getting women as a byproduct of this cool lifestyle, he starts forgoing the cool things he did to avoid losing the women. This in turn loses him the women.

Never let go off the bigger picture.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Clubs are one-night-stand only environments where you need to take them home THAT NIGHT or nothing is going to happen. Getting numbers is a waste of time. What happens in vegas, stays in vegas. etc.

Many women go to clubs as a live-version of instagram. They're just there to look hot and have men drooling - and then they take that validation and go home with their girlfriends. We've all heard this bull****: "Just because I'm dressed in a skimpy outfit doesn't mean men should think I'm OK to hit on!"

Your aim then, is to find women who are there to go home with a guy, which means that you need to work through the club very quickly to find girls who are open to that.

You can't talk in the club. It's loud and mostly dark, so you have to rely on being sexy by using your body language and physical touch. Don't even talk, it's more hypnotic that way. Talking just ends up with you screaming in her ear which is offputting.

If she's responsive, move to close within about 5 minutes. Doing that will clearly demonstrate to you what she was in the club for. She'll either come with - or refuse. In which case you move on. I say this because I have had women be exceptionally raunchy with me on the dancefloor and then at the end of the night they find their friends and say "good night!" and leave, as if I was totally OK with the teasing! What I have also discovered, is if they are REALLY into you and up for it, it doesn't take long for them to decide to want to leave with you.

Clubs make their money by getting the DJ to make people drink overpriced alcohol. I know this sounds weird, but it's true. They often play uptempo music to get women excited and onto the dancefloor and dancing and working up a sweat. Then they play a deliberately downtempo track to get them to slow down, and get bored, at which point they go back to the bar to drink again. Then they just repeat this process all night! So my pro tip is to avoid drinking!

Hope that helps.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Nightclubs in the SF area have declined greatly from the 2000’s. And, post-Covid, even more so. With that being said, i still enjoy them.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If you go to clubs looking for pvssy then you are guaranteed to have a miserable time. TBH, I don't even want to bring back a woman from a club lol. I learned this lesson way back in college tbh. Whenever I go, I meet new people and have a good time. I know I am notorious for hating on Nashville, but I do remember the good times I had on Broadway lol.

 

[Bingo-Player]

i was lucky in a sense that i did most of my clubbing before Instagram culture was really a thing

People had Facebook but would tend to go out and post online about it several days later uploading photo albums or doing status this was fine

These days everything is literally shared as it happens most people are focusing on making it look like they are having a good time instead of actually having a good time

it's fvcking exhausting

The "club" became the epicentre of the culture however it's at serious risk of burning it's self out

Back in the day you would go to a club to let off some steam have a crazy night and dance

Since the introduction of instant hyper communication technology it has become a competition of who can flex the most

Women flexing their beauty
Men flexing their perceived wealth

This isn't just happing in super city's like Miami this is even happening in my small hometown in the UK , you have these girls who are nobody's with like between 3K followers posting content as though they are supermodels going on high end nights out in Paris

The guys try to keep up posting pictures of bottle service , financed cars and fake designer clothing

I look at it all and think why the fvck would anybody want to be actively competing in this nonsense

 

[bat soup]

i was lucky in a sense that i did most of my clubbing before Instagram culture was really a thing

People had Facebook but would tend to go out and post online about it several days later uploading photo albums or doing status this was fine

These days everything is literally shared as it happens most people are focusing on making it look like they are having a good time instead of actually having a good time

it's fvcking exhausting

The "club" became the epicentre of the culture however it's at serious risk of burning it's self out

Back in the day you would go to a club to let off some steam have a crazy night and dance

Since the introduction of instant hyper communication technology it has become a competition of who can flex the most

Women flexing their beauty
Men flexing their perceived wealth

This isn't just happing in super city's like Miami this is even happening in my small hometown in the UK , you have these girls who are nobody's with like between 3K followers posting content as though they are supermodels going on high end nights out in Paris

The guys try to keep up posting pictures of bottle service , financed cars and fake designer clothing

I look at it all and think why the fvck would anybody want to be actively competing in this nonsense

I heard in China women would get together in groups of 100 and rent an expensive hotel room. Then they'd take turns to have their photo taken looking like they were enjoying an expensive breakfast in bed. After that, of course, it's off to the nightclubs where the rich and famous hang out to try to land a whale.

 

[Dr.Suave]

I rarely pulled in nightclubs so eventually I just stop going with the intention to pull. Only went when it was a firends brithday or I already had a girlfriend.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I think I missed the most important part that I wanted to add to my thread, how draining it can all be.

I am not just talking about the drain to your wallet, I am talking about to your health too. In other cities, the nightlife ends at around 2 AM but in Miami, it's more like 6 AM (yeah its weird). I do not fathom how anyone who wants to get things done in life can stay out that late and still be a productive person.

Looking back at it, almost everyone I have lived the nightclub life with has very little going for them in life. Outside of pretty girls living off of free stuff, the guys are normally doing it to get away from their mess of a life. Most of the guys who work in the industry are usually unemployable elsewhere. A lot of the guys who go out regularly to nightclubs are your typical PUA types without a career or any serious strides there. You go out enough and you witness this a lot.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I think I missed the most important part that I wanted to add to my thread, how draining it can all be.

I am not just talking about the drain to your wallet, I am talking about to your health too. In other cities, the nightlife ends at around 2 AM but in Miami, it's more like 6 AM (yeah its weird). I do not fathom how anyone who wants to get things done in life can stay out that late and still be a productive person.

Looking back at it, almost everyone I have lived the nightclub life with has very little going for them in life. Outside of pretty girls living off of free stuff, the guys are normally doing it to get away from their mess of a life. Most of the guys who work in the industry are usually unemployable elsewhere. A lot of the guys who go out regularly to nightclubs are your typical PUA types without a career or any serious strides there. You go out enough and you witness this a lot.

Not throwing shade. But I always wondered how some PUAs are able to afford expensive cities like Miami in the first place with no job, or just working a handful of hours a week to focus on game.

Any explanation for that? I’ve never understood how that is even possible.

 

[SW15]

Not throwing shade. But I always wondered how some PUAs are able to afford expensive cities like Miami in the first place with no job, or just working a handful of hours a week to focus on game.

Any explanation for that? I’ve never understood how that is even possible.

Younger people living off of their parents. That's a fairly common thing in the Millennial and Gen Z generations.

People that work there are delusional failures in life with inflated egos.

The typical nightclub bouncer likely has a record or couldn't find any decent employment after their past life. Other than being built well and being able to fight, they cannot find employment at most other avenues in life. The typical bartender at a nightclub has her looks to go by and makes good money but knows that she is living on borrowed time, as soon as she hits 30, it's dive bars and crappy sports bars for her. After having had the chance to know a few, these people are miserable. The people who are somewhat happy are promoters that are doing it part-time or for fun, full-time promoters are the scummiest and most vile people you will ever meet.

Strip club bouncers often bang strippers. Regular nightclub bouncers could bang female bartenders.

True on the full time promoters.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It's simply not the best use of time. I personally prefer clubs to OLD. I'm slightly older then you @Jesse Pinkman and I know what you mean. I caution you. 30 means Double down. 99% ***** out and become dorks married to some hog or busted skank.

30s is typically where dudes fall the fall off. A good alternative is doing 45min sessions + special occasions. Work flash game. Blow me or blow me out. Since the pandemic, it's mostly been day game sessions and doing a handful of pickup everywhere daily.

I did pick up 7x a week for years. I'm done with that burn it to the ground mentality. It's now more calibrated. More timely and better yet, it's naturally integrated into my daily life. This is what fellas should utilize.

if I had to do things over, I would have just did a BC, and allocated the time elsewhere to more important things in life. Biz, 2nd passport, dual citizenship, domain independence. On the bright side I saw 3 generations of pickup. I learned a lot. I crushed it. I have no intent of switching off anytime soon now or ever. This is end game. Bachelor mode. #nextset! New girls turning 18 everyday. Love it

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Not throwing shade. But I always wondered how some PUAs are able to afford expensive cities like Miami in the first place with no job, or just working a handful of hours a week to focus on game.

Any explanation for that? I’ve never understood how that is even possible.

Trust fund kids. Some got rich parents. Never compare yourself to others. Do your thing. Majority of the self made ballers I know can't go the f off in a large city to do pickup. They are self made. Mommy and daddy aren't buying them crypto. All they do is work. You can't imagine their resolve but the game is rubbish.

 

[Gamisch]

i was lucky in a sense that i did most of my clubbing before Instagram culture was really a thing

People had Facebook but would tend to go out and post online about it several days later uploading photo albums or doing status this was fine

These days everything is literally shared as it happens most people are focusing on making it look like they are having a good time instead of actually having a good time

it's fvcking exhausting

The "club" became the epicentre of the culture however it's at serious risk of burning it's self out

Back in the day you would go to a club to let off some steam have a crazy night and dance

Since the introduction of instant hyper communication technology it has become a competition of who can flex the most

Women flexing their beauty
Men flexing their perceived wealth

This isn't just happing in super city's like Miami this is even happening in my small hometown in the UK , you have these girls who are nobody's with like between 3K followers posting content as though they are supermodels going on high end nights out in Paris

The guys try to keep up posting pictures of bottle service , financed cars and fake designer clothing

I look at it all and think why the fvck would anybody want to be actively competing in this nonsense

Yes. The famous female line is" I just came here to dance" . And somehow that element completely dissapeared. A DJ spinning bangers and even educating his listeners musically. As with every other thing,you gotta love the scenery, and be there for yourself. Go to " just dance" and at least you'll look less desperate.

@Jesse Pinkman , I see what you mean. Its overrated now, because women have more options so the club isn't a necessity anymore. Combine that with the fact that the self proclaimed " 10 % men" move the bar up so high that a man gotta resemble a pro ball player to get noticed. Went to a club recently, and I swear, I was the only one drinking beer. Every dude had a bottle ( and was happily sharing that with the female crowd).

BUT, there is a hack ( as always) ,and it's a easy one. GAME. Game game game. Having game will get you women everywhere.

Most dudes just standing against the wall untill they are hammered and are unable to form a decent sentence. The real DJ can capitalize on this. It's still a place where women show up in masses,are drunk and down for whatever. If you look sharp, and got your body language down, you can still catch a nice one every now and then.

Pro tip, dont drink more than 3 drinks within 2 hours ,and stay flexible and sharp. Other pro tip, go with " evil intentions ", dont go to bird watch women but go to catch birds. And leave incel friends at home ,,they will steal your frame and make you look bad.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Not throwing shade. But I always wondered how some PUAs are able to afford expensive cities like Miami in the first place with no job, or just working a handful of hours a week to focus on game.

Any explanation for that? I’ve never understood how that is even possible.

Assuming you mean ALL dudes trying to do pickup.

I have known a few and might even post a thread on this talking more in-depth but usually, it is the following:

1. Some do genuinely make a good chunk of money but got into pickup to make up for the lost years of their early twenties spent working. Usually these are your engineers, finance types, and other white collar guys that worked 50+ hours a week in their early and mid-twenties so they could make money but are now more established so they can work less and focus on game. These guys tend to focus on daygame and low-key bars where you can hear people and don't go to nightclubs that hard though.

2. A small number, very rare, tend to have a successful coaching or pickup business (I am talking RSD-tier guys) that they make a good chunk of change off of so they can afford some of the more expensive cities.

3. The vast majority, which I will discuss in a future thread perhaps, have a situation where they live far away from the happening area, take a subway or drive to the hot game spots, and then practice game there. Most of these guys do not have their lives together, tend to still live with their family, live with a friend/sibling, and have no real future. I'd say 70% of the guys doing pickup are like this and it is a sad sight to see. They do not have their own lives together and somehow still find it plausible to spend a lot of time on "game" when they should be getting their $hit together.

A good example is a guy in NYC that lives in the boring parts of Queens but takes a long subway to Manhattan to game, not even having his life together while still commuting long hours for game.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yes. The famous female line is" I just came here to dance" . And somehow that element completely dissapeared. A DJ spinning bangers and even educating his listeners musically. As with every other thing,you gotta love the scenery, and be there for yourself. Go to " just dance" and at least you'll look less desperate.

@Jesse Pinkman , I see what you mean. Its overrated now, because women have more options so the club isn't a necessity anymore. Combine that with the fact that the self proclaimed " 10 % men" move the bar up so high that a man gotta resemble a pro ball player to get noticed. Went to a club recently, and I swear, I was the only one drinking beer. Every dude had a bottle ( and was happily sharing that with the female crowd).

BUT, there is a hack ( as always) ,and it's a easy one. GAME. Game game game. Having game will get you women everywhere.

Most dudes just standing against the wall untill they are hammered and are unable to form a decent sentence. The real DJ can capitalize on this. It's still a place where women show up in masses,are drunk and down for whatever. If you look sharp, and got your body language down, you can still catch a nice one every now and then.

Pro tip, dont drink more than 3 drinks within 2 hours ,and stay flexible and sharp. Other pro tip, go with " evil intentions ", dont go to bird watch women but go to catch birds. And leave incel friends at home ,,they will steal your frame and make you look bad.

Not to give you $hit bro but don't drink beer at a club man, everyone is drinking liquor for a reason. Beer makes your breath smell like $hit and it drives women away. I mean if you have been able to pull drinking beer then more power to you but people avoid it for a reason. Beer is good for a baseball game, stick to the liquors for the clubs, they don't ruin your breath.