At what height does a guy stop having a disadvantage?

[Jesse Pinkman]

I hear about the height pill and short guys having it tough but short is so variable based on country. The average Dutch man is lie 6'1 or something while the average Asian 5'6.

So at what height does a guy stop facing a height disadvantage even in the tallest countries?

Would a 5'10 dude be screwed in a Sweden or Holland?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why does it matter? You are whatever height you are.

Two of the biggest pvssy slayers I ever met were my friend and his brother back in the day...he was 5'6" and his brother was 5'4".

Know why? They didn't view their height as a disadvantage. They didn't care.

They pulled more chicks from the club than anyone I have ever seen, and I was a house DJ for almost 10 years so I have seen it all.

 

[zekko]

They pulled more chicks from the club than anyone I have ever seen, and I was a house DJ for almost 10 years so I have seen it all.

What was their line? "My brother's the DJ"?

 

[SW15]

I'm 5'10". I perceive my height as neutral. It's certainly not an advantage.

In the Millennial generation, the basic White woman believes she needs a man 6'0"+. That line of thinking has been drilled into her mind. One could make the case that 6'0" is when the height disadvantage stops, but I would stop it earlier in real life. Obviously, the app environment is more competitive than real life approaching.

Here's how I perceive male heights in the United States
6'0"+ - Asset. The best height range is 6'0"-6'5". 6'6" can be problematic with some shorter women but the 5'10"+ athletic females will still be in play, but you'll be competing with the 6'1"-6'4" type men for them.
5'9"-5'11" - Neither advantage nor disadvantage. This is the average.
5'8" and below - Disadvantage

Would a 5'10 dude be screwed in a Sweden or Holland?

My guess would be yes. If the typical White, Millennial American woman believes she's entitled to a 6'0"+ when average height is around 5'9"-5'10", what would a Dutch or Swedish woman expect? They'd definitely also expect 6'0"+, maybe 6'2"-6'3"+.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Obsessing with height is like girls obsessing about their bra size. It matters but not as much as most people think it does.

In other words stop acting like girls... be men regardless of your height.

 

[Serenity]

The only disadvantage is with women who superficially care about height, they're not the greatest personalities to be around anyways. So I don't think it's that much of a disadvantage overall anyways.

As I have said in all of these height insecurity threads, the insecurity is far more unattractive than being on the short side can ever be.

Would a 5'10 dude be screwed in a Sweden or Holland?

Only if he's insecure. The height is a distraction from the actual problem causing women to stay away, the insecurity.

Edit: The exception is online dating where the superficial means almost everything to get matches. If I was shorter I wouldn't share my height and I'd unmatch anyone who asked, in fact I'd do this anyways, despite being 6'2". I just can't stand women who put so much emphasis on something that matters so little.

 

[Red Pill Divorce Lawyer]

It matters a lot in online dating, where attractive women always filter men out based on their height, job, and looks. I'm 6'2" and I don't experience this filtration on height, but I've spoken to hundreds of women that do, in fact, filter every man below a certain height during their online dating selection process. If she swipes left on, or refuses to respond to messages, from short guys, they have zero chance of being successful with her. Consequently, height is the most common thing that men lie about in their online dating profile.

In the field, height matters much less, but saying it does not matter at all is statistically inaccurate. Studies show that the man is taller than the woman in 92.2% of married couples. However, I do agree with the sentiment other people have posted here. The right man, regardless of height, can work magic with nearly every woman if he gets in front of her in real life. A more famous example of this is Style (Neil Strauss) from his book The Game, who is 5'6".

 

[Who Dares Win]

At 5'11 I've been to countries where the average was above it like holland and the baltics, didnt have problems with women even those in the taller range that were still shorter than me, I even banged few women taller than me actually.

What I notice instead is when I am in those s-holes I often talk about where both men and women are shorter yet women have much higher standards...it's not uncommon for the mediterranean dwarf to expect a guy taller than average.

I would say that anything above 178 (5'10) is fine but the real bonus exists between 183 /188 (6" / 6"2).

Above a certain height unless you deal with very tall girls, it gets complicated.

 

[Atom Smasher]

At 5’ 11” I’ve always considered myself “tall enough” but have situationally wished I was taller.
I’ve always noticed in elevators with a group of men that sometimes I’m the tallest, and sometimes I’m the shortest. Rarely am I in the middle. I’ve never allowed height to be an insecurity when it comes to women. Tall enough.

My Buddy is about 5’7” and women find him very attractive wherever we go. Snd he’s 15 lbs overweight. It’s something he projects, and I haven’t figured out what it is yet.

All my life I’ve always attracted very tall women. That’s a bummer because I prefer them petite. My wife is pretty tall at about 5’ 8” or so, and although she’s stunningly beautiful and has great character, truth be told, I would prefer her to be shorter in a perfect world. Hey, I guess if that’s my biggest problem with her, I’m doing pretty well.

It is odd though how often I’m either the tallest (or second tallest) or the shortest in any given group of men. When I’m the shortest I always find it to be a “wtf” moment.

 

[SW15]

It matters a lot in online dating, where attractive women always filter men out based on their height, job, and looks.

In the field, height matters much less, but saying it does not matter at all is statistically inaccurate. The right man, regardless of height, can work magic with nearly every woman if he gets in front of her in real life.

In the Millennial generation, the basic White woman believes she needs a man 6'0"+. That line of thinking has been drilled into her mind.

More and more people have shifted the majority of their initial mating interactions to the swipe apps. Since many basic White women believe that they need someone 6'0"+, that's where they begin filtration. Since I am 5'10" and do not wish to lie about my height or experience said filtration, I have elected to use other venues for initially meeting women. I am reliant upon approaching strangers. At 5'10", I'm short enough that I need to get in front of people in real life but I won't get too blatantly disrespected based on height alone in the field.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I’m 5’7 and have missed out on some opportunities due to height. It certainly hasn’t been “that bad” so I would wager it’s a disadvantage at an even shorter height maybe 5’5 or so.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I hear about the height pill and short guys having it tough but short is so variable based on country. The average Dutch man is lie 6'1 or something while the average Asian 5'6.

So at what height does a guy stop facing a height disadvantage even in the tallest countries?

Would a 5'10 dude be screwed in a Sweden or Holland?

In the wise words of the good ol' Mac Miller, if your mindset is "I'm only 5'7", 'cept I'm feelin' like I'm 7'5" you are golden. Which is what everyone here is pretty much saying.

Modern Man Advice

 

[SW15]

Above a certain height unless you deal with very tall girls, it gets complicated.

I tend to find tall-ish women attractive but at 5'10", I'm not well positioned for success with them since most women prefer a taller man. It's easier to seduce a shorter woman and one substantially shorter.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you can get pu$$ at your height. You don’t have a disadvantage.

There’s probably some mathematical face:height inverse ratio. My guess is 5’6” you need 8/10 face. And extrapolate from there.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I’m 5’7 and have missed out on some opportunities due to height. It certainly hasn’t been “that bad” so I would wager it’s a disadvantage at an even shorter height maybe 5’5 or so.

Several guys at work are 5’5”. They have Chad faces. Are jacked & NT. All have GFs or wives.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The only disadvantage is with women who superficially care about height, they're not the greatest personalities to be around anyways. So I don't think it's that much of a disadvantage overall anyways.

As I have said in all of these height insecurity threads, the insecurity is far more unattractive than being on the short side can ever be.


Only if he's insecure. The height is a distraction from the actual problem causing women to stay away, the insecurity.

Edit: The exception is online dating where the superficial means almost everything to get matches. If I was shorter I wouldn't share my height and I'd unmatch anyone who asked, in fact I'd do this anyways, despite being 6'2". I just can't stand women who put so much emphasis on something that matters so little.

I added 2” to my height on Tinder. Never got caught.

 

[corrector]

I am more worried about my weight than height.

 

[SW15]

Interesting article.

My short husband is mocked for his size — but it makes sex so much better

“It’s not their relationship and it doesn’t concern them,” she said of haters, many of whom are men who think “they’d be a better partner” for Jesika.

nypost.com

I saw that article. The woman in that article is only 5'7". I was expecting a 6'1"-6'3" woman to have a short husband.

 

[allergictobs]

Never experienced my height (I'm barely 5'9) as a disadvantage in the real world, other than in competitive sports when I was younger. In online dating it matters if women use a height filter.

There was a study done by some online dating site that analyzed the rate of messages men got in each height group. It turned out that average height men (5'10 to 6'0) got the most messages, and being over 6'3 was a slight disadvantage as was being shorter than 5'7.

In any case, height is one of the most obsessed features by men, yet it matters so little in the real world unless you want to become a professional athlete in sports that requires height.

 

[SW15]

Well he's only 5'1" and they look pretty strange as it is (imho) and I'm typically fairly open-minded about these things.

I thought they looked weird too. I don't find her physically appealing.

I used to play sand volleyball for a few years. It was not my primary sport at the time and I was busy with other activities. I played in both organized leagues and random pickup games. There are a good number of women who play. I'm 5'10". The most talented women in the game were all 5'10" - 6'3". Due to my athleticism and transferable skills from tennis, I was a solid volleyball player who could play with some tall, ex-college volleyball players. The 5'11" - 6'3" women were not very interested in me when I attempted to seduce. I had a better chance with the 5'8"-5'10" ones but many of them were tepid about me. They couldn't technically throw me out over height because I was not shorter than them and slightly taller than 5'8"-5'9" ones.

I've done the best with women 5'7" and under. So the woman in that link with the 5'1" boyfriend would be at the top end of the range where I would do the best.

Never experienced my height (I'm barely 5'9) as a disadvantage in the real world, other than in competitive sports when I was younger. In online dating it matters if women use a height filter.

There was a study done by some online dating site that analyzed the rate of messages men got in each height group. It turned out that average height men (5'10 to 6'0) got the most messages, and being over 6'3 was a slight disadvantage as was being shorter than 5'7.

In any case, height is one of the most obsessed features by men, yet it matters so little in the real world unless you want to become a professional athlete in sports that requires height.

Most women are using a height filter on the swipe apps. At 5'9" and 5'10", the real world won't be too problematic, as long as you focus on 5'7" or shorter women.

There are advantages to being 6'0"-6'3". I think 6'4" is a great height for a man too. Ideal male height to maximize dating outcomes is either 6'1" or 6'2".