PUA/cold-approach will make a return within a decade

[Zimbabwe]

As the blackpill is spreading more (I mean fkin coach greg made a vid on wheatwaffles and even my normie friend sent me a wheatwaffles video), more and more men are going to opt out of OLD. In fact this whole andrew tate sigma **** means that a lot of DEDICATED normies are going to start this self-improvement redpill grind. The few who do make it will probably slay via OLD, but the majority who still don't hit that chad/top 10% of men are going to either

1. Spiral into blackpill depression and join the likes of this site

2. Will find another solution

This is where the PUAs will comeback. It is practically water at this point that OLD is stacked against men, clubs and bars are stacked against men as well, so things like daygame will be pushed VERY hard. PUA is going to make a comeback and NTpill will most likely make a return. I see in the future many men opting out of online dating and it becoming a literal chad only place - making the gender balance a bit more equal.

Women at this point are going to respond in a few different ways.

1. They will realise that OLD gives them better options and essentially more women are going to hop on tinder (unlikely)

2. They will push new laws making PUA harder (likely)

3. A hybrid between the two will occur (most likely) where women expect to be gamed at work and will only use tinder if they are feeling lonely.

But this redpill sigma grindset subset of normies, is a subset. What about the greater normie population what happens to them?

I suspect many of these normies are going to be angry. Very angry, to the point where feminist politics are going to start seeing a pushback (Roe v Wade is a good example), when abortion was pushed back many women were angry they were no longer able to have casual sex. The mask was unveiled and it made a lot of the feminist movement lose credibility to an extent. As a result the anti-feminist movement will grow, there is going to be this new neo-conservative movement emerging. It's going to consist of women who never got commitment from chad and angry normies alike, I cannot say for sure how powerful this movement will be. But it's going to have some level of impact, expect OLD becoming something less normalised and being given a bad stigma.

So in summary:-

1. Incel/blackpill movement will grow

2. Tinder/dating apps will be stigmatised due to a new conservative backlash supported by angry young men and middle aged men (that's going to be guys who are in their 20s rn)

3. PUA will thrive again because it will use this stigma of dating apps to market themselves, perhaps playing on the new con movement and disguising itself as being trad (it will romantacise itself and speak about how in the good old days it was possible to meet girls in book shops, but with my method here is how you can relive those days!)

4. Feminism will push the overton window, chad only will be even more explicit

5. Government might have to intervene at some point but this doesn't seem likely.

 

[Slowhandluke]

PUA is never coming back... just like the puritans will never colonize the North east. Predicting the future is always a cr*p shot. However, I predict, Conservatism will come back. I know more women who are anti-abortion... I know more women who regret feminism. Also, people who are liberal aren't reproducing.. A lot of religious people are.

Incell/blackpill movement will die out because they aren't reproducing; and generally hurting society. Remember for every incell, there's a woman who isn't getting married and producing kids since the population is close to 50% women and 50% men.

I agree with you regarding Tinder. However, I feel a new dating paradigm will be introduced that really DOES match people. Life finds a way... You can fool people for only so long after a while someone will light a spark that will create dating apps that will benefit humanity.

Feminism is dead for most young women... so... yeah, put that ideal in history's trash heap of bad ideas... along with communism, fascisms, nazisim... etc.. Actually, for a lot of older women who divorced their perfectly fine husbands because they just didn't feel it... or slept around and became a wage slave instead of having a family -- a lot of these older women are regretting feminism too.

I think the pendulum is swing back to a simpler time of simple romance, simple dating, and respecting each other more. Those that aren't doing that just aren't reproducing and are miserable. PUA for the most part don't reproduce. They are like the hedonist of the past. It will never be mainstream. To put pu55y above all else... Above family... above relationships.. above meaning in life may it be through God or something else; this is not stable.

 

[Steno]

1. Spiral into blackpill depression and join the likes of this site

Most men on forums and reddit don't approach. The golden era where most guys on forums were actually hitting the field was back when guys like Mystery and Style were on forums circa late 90s early 2000's. I wasn't around during that time but there are archives and people were sharing stuff left and right. Regardless if they join this forum, 99% of them won't take any action and will probably just be KJing and complaining.

This is where the PUAs will comeback. It is practically water at this point that OLD is stacked against men, clubs and bars are stacked against men as well, so things like daygame will be pushed VERY hard. PUA is going to make a comeback and NTpill will most likely make a return. I see in the future many men opting out of online dating and it becoming a literal chad only place - making the gender balance a bit more equal.

Clubs and bars are still viable even if their "stacked" against men. OLD on the other hand is chad only and will continue to get worse with time.

Women at this point are going to respond in a few different ways.

1. They will realise that OLD gives them better options and essentially more women are going to hop on tinder (unlikely)

2. They will push new laws making PUA harder (likely)

3. A hybrid between the two will occur (most likely) where women expect to be gamed at work and will only use tinder if they are feeling lonely.

1) Nothing is going to change. 95% of the women on dating apps are hoes. They just go on these apps to get their fix and get piped down by guys out of their league or those who fit their "type". Most normal women are not on these apps, and if they are they gtfo very quickly once they realize the fvck3ry that goes on there, hence the 8 guy to 1 women ratios.

2) 99.9999% of men do not approach, there will be no laws taken effect

3) I don't understand what ur trying to say...

But this redpill sigma grindset subset of normies, is a subset. What about the greater normie population what happens to them?

I suspect many of these normies are going to be angry. Very angry, to the point where feminist politics are going to start seeing a pushback (Roe v Wade is a good example), when abortion was pushed back many women were angry they were no longer able to have casual sex. The mask was unveiled and it made a lot of the feminist movement lose credibility to an extent. As a result the anti-feminist movement will grow, there is going to be this new neo-conservative movement emerging. It's going to consist of women who never got commitment from chad and angry normies alike, I cannot say for sure how powerful this movement will be. But it's going to have some level of impact, expect OLD becoming something less normalised and being given a bad stigma.

This Roe v Wade thing isn't going to change anything, contrary to popular belief, most hoes are smart enough to not get pregnant and they do not have sex as often as we think they do. The only ones who really have a lot of sex are the college party chicks, after college women do not have as much sex as we think they do.

Hoes do not want to be saved, they know chads aren't going to commit to them and they don't care. The only time they complain is when they get dumped by a chad for like a day or 2 and then they go heal themselves by hopping on 5 more penises for the next 2 weeks. They do not care, they know how to cope with their hoeness.

1. Incel/blackpill movement will grow

2. Tinder/dating apps will be stigmatised due to a new conservative backlash supported by angry young men and middle aged men (that's going to be guys who are in their 20s rn)

3. PUA will thrive again because it will use this stigma of dating apps to market themselves, perhaps playing on the new con movement and disguising itself as being trad (it will romantacise itself and speak about how in the good old days it was possible to meet girls in book shops, but with my method here is how you can relive those days!)

4. Feminism will push the overton window, chad only will be even more explicit

5. Government might have to intervene at some point but this doesn't seem likely.

1) That I do agree with

2) Not going to happen

3) Not going to happen, the opposite is happening. Men are becoming lazier and there are more communities centered around complaining instead of taking action. People nowadays like to be victims and like to complain and its trending more and more toward that direction.

4) The only way things will change is if a group of women who have aged out of the chad stage all get together and create a big movement to prevent younger women from being hoes. I don't see that happening, most women once they become too old to consistently attract chads just get into a relationship with a beta and live the rest of their lives being miserable.

5) The government can't really do anything. The point of no return is long gone. If there is anything the government can do it will be too extreme and people will rebel against it.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

For every @SW15 or @nicksaiz65 among others here that approach, you got 99% of men in spectator mode. You got majority of gurus shilling rubbish, secretly married, house husband's, and 0 receipts. This is the "best" of today.

As for the pua return, it's gone underground where it belongs. UK pua arrested. The Julien media scandal. The Columbia **** show with Austen. BBC hit piece. The endless amount of channels that got nuked. The biggest dating company fell off avoiding getting nuked. The vice expose' on Justin Wayne for fraudin. In terms of money, there's much better alternative choices for the next generation. Regardless, most men won't approach.

You got troy Francis. There's Tusk. There's some new school guys like coach kyle, playing with Fire, Austen Summers, Tay Social, and others. The current generation doesn't care to approach. There's a ton of content on cyberspace. Nobody is stopped from acquiring it and going out.

Initially, I was annoyed with the pua apocalypse. I now think it's better being underground. The competition is comical. Very few approach approach. Even less are any good. Majority teaching game today can't approach nor pull. It's amateur hour. I'd argue the loudest guys online are playing house and hiding behind their marriage but are mocking a generation that didn't have the same resources they did nor any receipts. I'd argue that most of the guys today promote spectator mode with their inaction.

 

[Stoic]

For every @SW15 or @nicksaiz65 among others here that approach, you got 99% of men in spectator mode. You got majority of gurus shilling rubbish, secretly married, house husband's, and 0 receipts. This is the "best" of today.

As for the pua return, it's gone underground where it belongs. UK pua arrested. The Julien media scandal. The Columbia **** show with Austen. BBC hit piece. The endless amount of channels that got nuked. The biggest dating company fell off avoiding getting nuked. The vice expose' on Justin Wayne for fraudin. In terms of money, there's much better alternative choices for the next generation. Regardless, most men won't approach.

You got troy Francis. There's Tusk. There's some new school guys like coach kyle, playing with Fire, Austen Summers, Tay Social, and others. The current generation doesn't care to approach. There's a ton of content on cyberspace. Nobody is stopped from acquiring it and going out.

Initially, I was annoyed with the pua apocalypse. I now think it's better being underground. The competition is comical. Very few approach approach. Even less are any good. Majority teaching game today can't approach nor pull. It's amateur hour. I'd argue the loudest guys online are playing house and hiding behind their marriage but are mocking a generation that didn't have the same resources they did nor any receipts. I'd argue that most of the guys today promote spectator mode with their inaction.

I'm sure you've posted it before, but maybe you can help me out.

How did you learn to cold approach? How long did it take to get proficient?

I don't do any cold approaches, but I will strike up easy conversations with women whenever possible. I am pretty socially adept, but reserved at the same time.

Thanks

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I do wonderful on OLD and I much prefer it. In addition, I called out wheat waffles for being a doomer snake oil salesman because the dude has a girlfriend that he plans to wed.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Cold approach and PUA is not making a come back. Very likely what will end up happening is that most men who are trying their luck at it will give up, realize it is tough, and just go to the internet for socializing. The black pill and incel movement will grow but might become somewhat more softcore. I think we are just going to get more isolated and lonely as a society but the few who do figure it out will slay.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Cold approach and PUA is not making a come back. Very likely what will end up happening is that most men who are trying their luck at it will give up, realize it is tough, and just go to the internet for socializing. The black pill and incel movement will grow but might become somewhat more softcore. I think we are just going to get more isolated and lonely as a society but the few who do figure it out will slay.

I fear the worse tbh. The Black Pill offers nothing but mass shooter fuel to troubling men. Rather if the country decides to take on some action on gun legislation might affect things too. The only hope for Cold Approach and PUA is if Youtube gets axed or decides to ax any red pill-related content and it decentralizes weakening its grip. There's no going from black pill doom and gloom drug addiction to I am a confident guy that's going to put my negativity aside and cold approach as many women as possible lol.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I fear the worse tbh. The Black Pill offers nothing but mass shooter fuel to troubling men. Rather if the country decides to take on some action on gun legislation might affect things too. The only hope for Cold Approach and PUA is if Youtube gets axed or decides to ax any red pill-related content and it decentralizes weakening its grip. There's no going from black pill doom and gloom drug addiction to I am a confident guy that's going to put my negativity aside and cold approach as many women as possible lol.

I think the quality in the pickup world is dead. Those who did not get in on prime RSD or the days of Good Looking Loser missed out. Those of us who did got really lucky and are now fortunate enough to have some knowledge. I think early Red Pill days were good because they taught ownership instead of pushing blame on everything. Very likely, I think what happens is that more men gravitate to the black pill but becoming an incel is normalized in society.

Legalizing prostitution and sex robots might solve some issues but I doubt that happens given how the religious right and feminist left would be heavily against it.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I think the quality in the pickup world is dead. Those who did not get in on prime RSD or the days of Good Looking Loser missed out. Those of us who did got really lucky and are now fortunate enough to have some knowledge. I think early Red Pill days were good because they taught ownership instead of pushing blame on everything. Very likely, I think what happens is that more men gravitate to the black pill but becoming an incel is normalized in society.

Legalizing prostitution and sex robots might solve some issues but I doubt that happens given how the religious right and feminist left would be heavily against it.

Good Looking Loser was truly a jewel to the community. I remember him actually giving out legitimate reasons on why a girl might have rejected you and to not freak out. I do think the lazy/toxic pua guys paved the road for this black pill nonsense by heavily focusing on the beta vs alpha male/Chad v Tyrone rabbit holes. They turned a simple forgettable rejection into "She rejected you because she is going to be pumped by Alpha Chad that night" with a slooty tik-tok short as supporting evidence lol.

 

[corrector]

Incell/blackpill movement will die out because they aren't reproducing; and generally hurting society. Remember for every incell, there's a woman who isn't getting married and producing kids since the population is close to 50% women and 50% men.

How do you figure that? Incel movements are there because women are passing up or rejecting guys for chads. Even if you have an equal number of men and women, if the chads dominate the scene, then they are taking women out of the dating market that would otherwise be there. That's why that exists in the first place. Women aren't reproducing because they are having casual sex with chads and taking birth control pills and abortions. Incel/blackpill Men aren't reproducing because no women wants them period to reproduce with despite the fact they are willing to commit.

 

[corrector]

Legalizing prostitution and sex robots might solve some issues but I doubt that happens given how the religious right and feminist left would be heavily against it.

Prostitution is de facto legal here in Toronto and Toronto is the global headquarter incel capital of the world. What makes you think it will solve some issues?

 

[bat soup]

In the future if a woman responds negatively to your approach you'll be able to push her nose and turn "biitch mode" off.

 

[SW15]

Cold approach and PUA is not making a come back. Very likely what will end up happening is that most men who are trying their luck at it will give up, realize it is tough, and just go to the internet for socializing. The black pill and incel movement will grow but might become somewhat more softcore. I think we are just going to get more isolated and lonely as a society but the few who do figure it out will slay.

Cold approach and PUA were Generation X responses to the mating environment. Neil Strauss, Mystery, Roosh, Tom Torero, and others were mainly Gen X guys. Cold approaching doesn't fit all that well with the Millennial perspective. By nature, cold approaching is very difficult and unrewarding. I say this as a Millennial who has done more cold approaching than most Millennials. Millennials don't tend to be drawn to challenges that are often unrewarding. It's easier to sit at home in your underwear and swipe on every woman within a certain radius of where you live. Doing that contains an illusion of efficiency. There are no illusions in cold approaching. In cold approaching, you either make it happen or you don't.

One of the biggest problems with approaching and also with swiping is that the ratio stink. The Millennials are the first generation saddled with absolute shiit ratios in most major US metro areas. Even if you are a decent cold approacher, you're also fighting the ratios. I am doing my best not to be bitter and be upbeat, but it's not that easy to do. The ratios are better for cold approachers than app swipers, but it's not good at all. App swiping is probably the worst decision that you can make. I've seen estimates that Tinder is 72-76% male and Bumble/Hinge are 65% male. In real life, when bars have these ratios, men leave those venues.

Non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity that most men can't do well because it takes big balls to do. I don't care if it is 1992 or 2022. I don't there's a lot of difference in the percentage of men doing non-bar approaching in 1992 vs. 2022. It's probably slightly lower in 2022 but that's not the meaningful difference. I would compare the current era at the bars vs. 20-30 years ago at the bars. That's probably where you could see the more meaningful differences. Now, bars host more swipe app first dates. There's substantially less approaching at bars now compared to 20-30 years ago. The pandemic also damaged the night game scene but there was a difference in night game in the 2010s vs. 1990-2005.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Cold approach and PUA were Generation X responses to the mating environment. Neil Strauss, Mystery, Roosh, Tom Torero, and others were mainly Gen X guys. Cold approaching doesn't fit all that well with the Millennial perspective. By nature, cold approaching is very difficult and unrewarding. I say this as a Millennial who has done more cold approaching than most Millennials. Millennials don't tend to be drawn to challenges that are often unrewarding. It's easier to sit at home in your underwear and swipe on every woman within a certain radius of where you live. Doing that contains an illusion of efficiency. There are no illusions in cold approaching. In cold approaching, you either make it happen or you don't.

One of the biggest problems with approaching and also with swiping is that the ratio stink. The Millennials are the first generation saddled with absolute shiit ratios in most major US metro areas. Even if you are a decent cold approacher, you're also fighting the ratios. I am doing my best not to be bitter and be upbeat, but it's not that easy to do. The ratios are better for cold approachers than app swipers, but it's not good at all. App swiping is probably the worst decision that you can make. I've seen estimates that Tinder is 72-76% male and Bumble/Hinge are 65% male. In real life, when bars have these ratios, men leave those venues.

Non-bar approaching has always been a niche activity that most men can't do well because it takes big balls to do. I don't care if it is 1992 or 2022. I don't there's a lot of difference in the percentage of men doing non-bar approaching in 1992 vs. 2022. It's probably slightly lower in 2022 but that's not the meaningful difference. I would compare the current era at the bars vs. 20-30 years ago at the bars. That's probably where you could see the more meaningful differences. Now, bars host more swipe app first dates. There's substantially less approaching at bars now compared to 20-30 years ago. The pandemic also damaged the night game scene but there was a difference in night game in the 2010s vs. 1990-2005.

I kind of see where you are coming from but I think you are being too pessimistic here. I cold approach a lot on weekends and actually have to be out in an hour or so to do some sets but I do find that in an hour, you might find 8 approachable sets and this is in freaking Miami! Go anywhere else and the number dwindles.

Compared to dating apps, nightlife clubs, and other avenues, cold approaching is by far the most efficient way to meet women. The reality is, ALL AVENUES for meeting women suck if you want a high lay count. The barrier to entry is really high which is why most men end up sleeping with under 10 women their whole lives.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Prostitution is de facto legal here in Toronto and Toronto is the global headquarter incel capital of the world. What makes you think it will solve some issues?

While exceptions do exist including an awful case last year or so with an incel shooter, Toronto does not suffer from the same issues that a lot of US cities and colleges do. You do not have the constant shootings and extremism in Toronto that you do elsewhere. IMO, I think legalizing prostitution will be one way to fix the incel issue but the long-term solution is metaverse, sex robots, and a herbivore society. I mean let's not think that these socially awkward leeches are going to find a wife, god help whatever woman has to be married to that.

I say, push a herbivore society, let 90% or so of the weak men that cannot be bothered to improve themselves, improve their mindset, improve their game, and go all in just fade into the background. The most practical solution for the US will be what Japan is doing.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Good Looking Loser was truly a jewel to the community. I remember him actually giving out legitimate reasons on why a girl might have rejected you and to not freak out. I do think the lazy/toxic pua guys paved the road for this black pill nonsense by heavily focusing on the beta vs alpha male/Chad v Tyrone rabbit holes. They turned a simple forgettable rejection into "She rejected you because she is going to be pumped by Alpha Chad that night" with a slooty tik-tok short as supporting evidence lol.

GLL was borderline rapey though as seen on some of his videos at the mall approaching, he took em down though.

IMO, I think the Incel epidemic came to fruition when PUAHate went from a site ragging on crappy PUAs and their scammy services to having a general discussion section. That became by far the worst idea as now the link between pickup and the 4chan world formed. When Eliot Rodger happened, you had the hate towards actual PUAs fading away and being focused more on just hate towards women and society.

I think the Eliot Rodger fiasco is what did it.

 

[SW15]

I kind of see where you are coming from but I think you are being too pessimistic here.

Entirely possible.

I cold approach a lot on weekends and actually have to be out in an hour or so to do some sets but I do find that in an hour, you might find 8 approachable sets and this is in freaking Miami! Go anywhere else and the number dwindles.

I've cold approached many times on Dallas' most demographically appealing walking path. You're not going to get 8 approachable sets in one hour on that walking path in Dallas. You might get 1-2. You could force more approaches by spamming gals with earbuds/headphones in, but those approaches aren't likely to lead to as many decent outcomes. High probability of a bad interaction and low probability of a number, let alone a date.

Compared to dating apps, nightlife clubs, and other avenues, cold approaching is by far the most efficient way to meet women. The reality is, ALL AVENUES for meeting women suck if you want a high lay count. The barrier to entry is really high which is why most men end up sleeping with under 10 women their whole lives.

I would rather cold approach than use a dating apps or hit the bars at this point. Since I don't have a social circle, my best option is cold approach. Cold approaching is a difficult path.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15

They are all difficult man, the game was never meant to be easy. Dating apps are heavy sausagefests. Social circles are tough to penetrate into and even when you are in one, the best looking women are always taken. Night game kills your lifestyle and health over a long period of time. It was never meant to be easy, if it was then every guy would be swimming in it.

 

[Slowhandluke]

How do you figure that? Incel movements are there because women are passing up or rejecting guys for chads. Even if you have an equal number of men and women, if the chads dominate the scene, then they are taking women out of the dating market that would otherwise be there. That's why that exists in the first place. Women aren't reproducing because they are having casual sex with chads and taking birth control pills and abortions. Incel/blackpill Men aren't reproducing because no women wants them period to reproduce with despite the fact they are willing to commit.

How many woman want to be the side chick of a chad? Even if you say half of them, you still have the other half of the women wanting LTRs with emotional attachment -- the stereotypical relationships. After all, isn't this the reason why a lot of woman complain that dating apps suck? This is after all what currently is happening in dating apps. All the chads are "dating" the majority of women in the dating apps. After a while, most of these women quit the dating apps. They quit being with the chads and get "dating burned out". This situation is not sustainable. This is also why match group's stock has gone down aby 50% year to date and most smart women don't use datings apps aka "hook up apps" (besides not having to use them in the first place; high value attractive women don't need dating apps - mostly hoes and unreasonable women).

In the long run, these average women either wise up and match with average guys or they become spinsters with no family. Women maybe emotional, but after a while, reality will hit them. As mention before, why do most younger (college age) women no longer consider themselves feminist? According to search, I think 85% of college women don't label themselves feminist.

About only 46 percent of college women use dating apps and most have a negative view of them:

Connecting on Campus: Exploring the Motivations and Behaviors of College Students on Dating Apps - Office of the Vice President for Research | University of South Carolina

Connecting on Campus: Exploring the Motivations and Behaviors of College Students on Dating Apps

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At the end of the day, most people who reproduce are in loving relationships. They are not into casual sex. A lot of these people are conservative with conservative values having offspring's that are mostly conservatives. So in the long run; incells, women who have high standards, PUAs, etc.. these people don't reproduce. They don't pass on their behaviors or their ideas to the next generation. It's basically Darwinism. According to Darwinism they are the true losers in the genetic game. That being said, people usually find a way to get with each other and have good families. Life finds a way even if it takes the removal of a generation of idiots and their genes from the gene pool.