Girls on OLD are becoming more open about wanting to be asked on dates now

[SW15]

Female entitlement and self-delusion is at epidemic levels. Women reject men, both from swipe apps and random approaches, based on the most random and trifling stuff. Women think they deserve the red carpet treatment when they do not offer anything even close to that.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Female entitlement and self-delusion is at epidemic levels. Women reject men, both from swipe apps and random approaches, based on the most random and trifling stuff. Women think they deserve the red carpet treatment when they do not offer anything even close to that.

Imo the latest trend observed in this thread is to make it easier to reject men, because there is less of a chance to build up rapport and desire pre-meet. This is a deliberate phenomenon to reduce the impact of game and increase the number "one date, no sex, no second date" meets. Because they hear a ticking clock and now have to step up their "needle in a haystack" unicorn-hunting approach even further, which means as many first dates as possible.

Or perhaps trying to snag a fancy event or dinner date before the guy can figure out she's not highly interested and is using the guy to abate her frustrations.

Anecdotally, today I just had two women in a row agree with apparent enthusiasm to meet up, with both of them not giving out their number after I asked for it (and not contacting me after I'd given out mine). While this has happened before, it's never occurred twice in a row.

 

[RBK]

I've always asked a woman out, "be at the "place" at "time"... dress sexy".

Women want men who are confident.

 

[evan12]

It used to be just no hook ups or some bs. Now I am starting to see a lot of bios with "I want to be asked out on a date", "the most attractive man is with a plan". "I find a place and time the hottest thing", and cringy shvt like that lol. The funny thing is that most of these women aren't dating material in the first place, so there must be a lot of desperate thirsty good looking guys hitting them up lol.

I think they are just playing innocents and dating materials, do you really think they have shortage of men asking them out ?

 

[SW15]

do you really think they have shortage of men asking them out ?

I do not think that most women that use swipe apps/online dating have any shortage of men asking them out. It's not even close. Some women in their 30s/40s who don't use swipe apps might have a shortage of men asking them out. It would depend upon circumstances in their personal lives.

Getting dates is rarely a problem for women under menopausal age.

I haven't even mentioned the potential for dates from their social media inboxes as well. Most women field multiple date offers on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn too, even without using a swipe app.

This is a deliberate phenomenon to reduce the impact of game and increase the number "one date, no sex, no second date" meets. Because they hear a ticking clock and now have to step up their "needle in a haystack" unicorn-hunting approach even further, which means as many first dates as possible.

The "one date, no sex, no second date" arrangement works out reasonably well for women. That's true whether the date is arranged via a swipe app, social media DMs, or some sort of random in-person approach. They get validation and free alcoholic drinks and/or a meal. Sure, they might lose time with their ticking bio clock, but the freebies are so good. Most women don't even think about the ticking clock until their 30th birthday. I have gone out with enough women 30+ while in my 30s though. A lot of women are happy to waste a man's time and money in exchange for the validation and the free alcoholic drinks. A lot of women are getting more than free alcoholic drinks on dates. One of my female friends is a "5" in her mid-30s and she got plenty of first date dinner offers on swipe apps. That's insane! I thought men understood the whole "no dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex" idea. I heard that idea 10 years ago. The thirst and simping is unreal.

It seems like women are getting plenty of date offers from men in the objective 4-7.9 range. What women aren't getting are date offers leading to extended relationships from men in the 8-10 range and that's who they want based upon their entitlement levels and self delusion. 8+ men are pumping and dumping them. A lot of 8+ men on swipe apps are extending the invitation to their home immediately to avoid sitting in a bar for Covid risk or cold approachers in that range also doing the immediate home invite as well. This is annoying women as they have gotten used to the freebies in bars or restaurants.

I once went to a singles event. Zero cost. The talent pool was quite subpar, but there were a few women in the average to cute range. The best looking woman there was maybe a 7. Lots of careerists there. Anyway, from that event, I got the number of some woman in her early 30s in the 5-6 range. Not too bad. She was a typical Millennial woman with a dog. Anyway, we set a date. She was a little bit difficult in the texting process with date logistics, so I probably should have been more stringent about Comply or Bye as @DEEZEDBRAH preaches. She flaked on the date a couple of days prior to it actually happening. So she got the validation from the event and didn't even put out. Honestly, she did me a favor. I found out from a Google search that she also had an advanced level degree, and I prefer to date women with a bachelor's degree from a non-elite school or less. She didn't cost me any money either, which was awesome.

She displayed ridiculous entitlement with flaking on that date with me for no reason at all. I was so suave in my approach on her, conversation, and getting the number and the date concept agreement. She backed out for no valid reason at all. Maybe she perceived a higher tier prospect somewhere else.

 

[RBK]

It seems like women are getting plenty of date offers from men in the objective 4-7.9 range. What women aren't getting are date offers leading to extended relationships from men in the 8-10 range and that's who they want based upon their entitlement levels and self delusion. 8+ men are pumping and dumping them. A lot of 8+ men on swipe apps are extending the invitation to their home immediately to avoid sitting in a bar for Covid risk or cold approachers in that range also doing the immediate home invite as well. This is annoying women as they have gotten used to the freebies in bars or restaurants.

That's because MEN are the guardians of relationships and women are the guardians of sex.

 

[SW15]

That's because MEN are the guardians of relationships and women are the guardians of sex.

In theory, being a guardian of an extended relationship is more valuable. In practice, it's debatable.

Sex is such a fundamental need. Going without sex is bad. Incels are evidence of that.

If a guy is getting sex but no relationships, are things that bad? The problem is that most men need the relationship to get the sex.

The components of the relationship can be replaced more easily than sex can be replaced. When men look to replace the sex, they often end up overindulging in porn/mbate or simping on OnlyFans to some e-thot and mbating.

Men could get relational elements from family members or male friends. The problem for the unattached/marginally attached man is that their male friends are often in LTRs/relationships and aren't paying attention to the unattached/marginally attached male. So they often aren't getting the relational benefits either.

 

[RBK]

In theory, being a guardian of an extended relationship is more valuable. In practice, it's debatable.

Sex is such a fundamental need. Going without sex is bad. Incels are evidence of that.

If a guy is getting sex but no relationships, are things that bad? The problem is that most men need the relationship to get the sex.

The components of the relationship can be replaced more easily than sex can be replaced. When men look to replace the sex, they often end up overindulging in porn/mbate or simping on OnlyFans to some e-thot and mbating.

Men could get relational elements from family members or male friends. The problem for the unattached/marginally attached man is that their male friends are often in LTRs/relationships and aren't paying attention to the unattached/marginally attached male. So they often aren't getting the relational benefits either.

I feel like its WAY EASIER to get sex now without relationships with the current culture than it was 15 years ago. Women are giving away sex like its nothing.

I think a lot of men want a good relationship but its very hard with how much women are giving away sex and who wants to date the girl who has ****ed 30+ guys in the social circle.

 

[andreihaha]

That's because MEN are the guardians of relationships and women are the guardians of sex.

So how do you stop giving unworthy women this power?
By controlling yourself and being more than an animal.
Because if you're just a thirsty animal who only wants cheap sex, that's how you'll be treated and well...you deserve it.

Quality over quantity, gentlemen!

 

[SW15]

I feel like its WAY EASIER to get sex now without relationships with the current culture than it was 15 years ago. Women are giving away sex like its nothing.

I think a lot of men want a good relationship but its very hard with how much women are giving away sex and who wants to date the girl who has ****ed 30+ guys in the social circle.

It is not easier for most men to get sex now as compared to 15 years ago. Rates of male sexlessness have been climbing during the past 15 years.

However, it is likely easier for a top tier guy now to get sex without relationships than it was in 2003-07.

 

[SW15]

She didn't feel a mental connection with you, the right chemistry/vibe between you. How is that female entitlement?

Female entitlement would be her accepting your invite with your high SMV, good looks, charm and money without feeling any sort of chemistry or connection with you. And going out with you for validation and/or what you can provide.

THAT'S entitlement.

I agree she did you a favor, of course she did you a favor. Any woman who rejects a man because she feels no chemistry and connection with him does him a favor.

And vice versa.

Happened to me plenty of times. Guy approaches appears to be high value - good looking, nice style, smooth approach, good job, $$$ but for whatever reason that cannot be explained.by anyone, I felt zero connection chemistry with him.

Zero serendipity as a previous poster used to describe it.

That's what some of you guys don't understand about women. You think what attracts you (good looks, high SMV) attracts us.

@BeExcellent posted about this too in the hypergamy thread.

We connect through out emotions. How "connected" we feel during that initial approach and beyond. Our mutual chemistry, energy, vibe.

Serendipity.

This can be accomplished with good Game. In part but there are other elements at play as well.

Instead of blaming her and her perceived entitlement, work on your Game.

How to connect with women through her emotions versus being "suave, having good conversation, getting the number and the date concept agreement," as you posted.

Those things mean nothing if she isn't "feeling" anything.

She was entitled & delusional in her rejection of me. I was better looking than she was, more physically fit, higher earning, and a nicer apartment. Even though her SMV was lower than mine, she still dismissed me based on nothing. I was so suave. I ran some tight, high energy seducer game on her. That’s entitlement. She probably believed she was entitled to a higher SMV guy than I am. @sangheilios is 6’4” with big muscles (the physical ideal) and he’s told stories of overweight women believing they were equivalent SMV to him & even treating him like dirt.

The biatch saved me money by flaking.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I do not think that most women that use swipe apps/online dating have any shortage of men asking them out. It's not even close. Some women in their 30s/40s who don't use swipe apps might have a shortage of men asking them out. It would depend upon circumstances in their personal lives.

Getting dates is rarely a problem for women under menopausal age.

I haven't even mentioned the potential for dates from their social media inboxes as well. Most women field multiple date offers on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn too, even without using a swipe app.

Agreed. It's quality issue and commitment from the bloke at the top of the dominance hierarchy. Feminism has cheered modern women off a cliff chasing Chad and Tyrone and Fez and Wang &&& career. Chasing phantoms.

The "one date, no sex, no second date" arrangement works out reasonably well for women. That's true whether the date is arranged via a swipe app, social media DMs, or some sort of random in-person approach. They get validation and free alcoholic drinks and/or a meal. Sure, they might lose time with their ticking bio clock, but the freebies are so good. Most women don't even think about the ticking clock until their 30th birthday. I have gone out with enough women 30+ while in my 30s though. A lot of women are happy to waste a man's time and money in exchange for the validation and the free alcoholic drinks. A lot of women are getting more than free alcoholic drinks on dates. One of my female friends is a "5" in her mid-30s and she got plenty of first date dinner offers on swipe apps. That's insane! I thought men understood the whole "no dinner dates in restaurants prior to sex" idea. I heard that idea 10 years ago. The thirst and simping is unreal.

Agreed. Pre 2010 and Julien media scandal, the culture wasn't sjw and victimhood to the extent that it is today.

Case and point, a girl mentioned how nervous she was and worried whether I'd like her. Modern women don't move like that in 2022. They are masculine as F. Are ran through &&& had a series of abortions ie murdered babies.

It seems like women are getting plenty of date offers from men in the objective 4-7.9 range. What women aren't getting are date offers leading to extended relationships from men in the 8-10 range and that's who they want based upon their entitlement levels and self delusion. 8+ men are pumping and dumping them. A lot of 8+ men on swipe apps are extending the invitation to their home immediately to avoid sitting in a bar for Covid risk or cold approachers in that range also doing the immediate home invite as well. This is annoying women as they have gotten used to the freebies in bars or restaurants.

I once went to a singles event. Zero cost. The talent pool was quite subpar, but there were a few women in the average to cute range. The best looking woman there was maybe a 7. Lots of careerists there. Anyway, from that event, I got the number of some woman in her early 30s in the 5-6 range. Not too bad. She was a typical Millennial woman with a dog. Anyway, we set a date. She was a little bit difficult in the texting process with date logistics, so I probably should have been more stringent about Comply or Bye as @DEEZEDBRAH preaches. She flaked on the date a couple of days prior to it actually happening. So she got the validation from the event and didn't even put out. Honestly, she did me a favor. I found out from a Google search that she also had an advanced level degree, and I prefer to date women with a bachelor's degree from a non-elite school or less. She didn't cost me any money either, which was awesome.

She displayed ridiculous entitlement with flaking on that date with me for no reason at all. I was so suave in my approach on her, conversation, and getting the number and the date concept agreement. She backed out for no valid reason at all. Maybe she perceived a higher tier prospect somewhere else.

RP nails down the problem. IMHO they fail to execute. Lack of approach and actually getting girls. Too much mental masturbation and dunking on single mom's. RP is spot on with burning desire. Little to no receipts beyond Troy who is nearly 50 and irl approaching on pods with Tusk.

Fellas could do better working volume and dating younger. On average 7-10+ is where I'm at. Not my age. Not even close. The fixation on young is detrimental because very few are worthy of anything beyond pump and dump.

Again I would suggest younger. Location location location is king. I don't date. I drop invites and I #next! Even if it goes well #nextset run my funnel. You will still get flakes, IOIs and choosing signals, and even after pulling. It's indicative of modern women *** dumpsters.

At least with youth the juice is worth the squeeze. Chalk it up to a W for going for it extract whatever lessons you can. #nextset

 

[SW15]

My example clearly demonstrated female entitlement & self-delusion at its finest. At the moment the rejection happened, I had a notch count above that of most men. Not only was my notch count about that of most men, but also I have had sex with women of higher quality than the one in that example. The rejector exhibited foolishness to a high degree. Her number was deleted as soon as she flaked. I didn’t give her the satisfaction of a response to her mealy mouthed & pathetic excuse of a flake job.

Always trust a fisherman on how to catch a fish.

 

[BadWatermelon]

She was entitled & delusional in her rejection of me. I was better looking than she was, more physically fit, higher earning, and a nicer apartment. Even though her SMV was lower than mine, she still dismissed me based on nothing. I was so suave. I ran some tight, high energy seducer game on her. That’s entitlement. She probably believed she was entitled to a higher SMV guy than I am. @sangheilios is 6’4” with big muscles (the physical ideal) and he’s told stories of overweight women believing they were equivalent SMV to him & even treating him like dirt.

The biatch saved me money by flaking.

No offense but this sounds like gamma male logic. "Let me make a spreadsheet that explains why you should like me."

 

[BadWatermelon]

Happened to me plenty of times. Guy approaches appears to be high value - good looking, nice style, smooth approach, good job, $$$ but for whatever reason that cannot be explained.by anyone, I felt zero connection chemistry with him.

This was painful to read because I am usually this guy.

 

[SW15]

No offense but this sounds like gamma male logic. "Let me make a spreadsheet that explains why you should like me."

I consider myself to be a sigma male. I am a lone wolf in my approaching, attracting, and seducing. That’s why I’m more of a day game guy. The incident we’re talking about happened at a private event, which is neither classic day game, night game, or really social circle game. Definitely not swipe app game.

I would never do that “spreadsheet” style seduction either. I was merely pointing out facts after it had all happened. Comply or bye. #nextset.

In general, most women are getting plenty of date offers so this compliant that’s being made has zero merit.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

She was entitled & delusional in her rejection of me. I was better looking than she was, more physically fit, higher earning, and a nicer apartment. Even though her SMV was lower than mine, she still dismissed me based on nothing. I was so suave. I ran some tight, high energy seducer game on her. That’s entitlement. She probably believed she was entitled to a higher SMV guy than I am. @sangheilios is 6’4” with big muscles (the physical ideal) and he’s told stories of overweight women believing they were equivalent SMV to him & even treating him like dirt.

The biatch saved me money by flaking.

Idk, why it’s so hard for y’all to accept this, but a woman’s attraction isn’t this linear concept. Being tall, muscular, and square jaw lined does not make you attractive to every single woman by default. That’s like saying all men are attracted to blonde Barbie doll looking women lol. I consider myself a 7-8 on looks scale, but there are girls you might consider a 10 that I would consider a 5 in my eyes. It’s just how it works, you will be fine lol. My ideal girl is some light olive skinned middle eastern girl with a pointed nose, glasses, wavy long hair, smallish tits and ass, and slender waist. She would be meh in your eyes but a 9 in mine. I’m not attracted to most blondes or black women, so the hottest one you put in front of me will never be higher than an 8.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

What's interesting about this place is that many of you guys scream "never take advice from a woman" that's it's men who do the fishing/catching and as such you know best how to fish and catch.

Well it makes me chuckle because from reading many threads and posts such as @SW15 above, many of you guys are actually unsuccessful at catching women!

One poster is so unsuccessful he resorts to fvcking fatties and justifies it by saying it increases his MOJO or whatever he says. It's laughable.

But yet y'all still insist you know best how to catch women versus women who are the ones being sought after/caught and know what needs to be done to attract and catch her, like connecting to her emotions and creating serendipity.

No no no, you still insist it's high SMV, the best looks, money, all superficial crap, and you continue to post how you fail.

It's both mind boggling and amusing, but again wish you all the best of luck.

Men shouldn't take advice from women, it's like a tuna telling sharks how it should be caught.

That said I think due to the state of male-women relations nowadays, some women are being forced to acknowledge what is going on and a small minority do possess the self-awareness to actually contribute. But for the most part, women just say the exact same ****.

 

[SW15]

Men shouldn't take advice from women, it's like a tuna telling sharks how it should be caught.

Agree 100%.

Women’s complaints about not getting date offers also have no merit & need to be ignored. It’s not reality at all. I admire the men on swipe apps who just invite women over to their place for sex & skip the bullshiit date over drinks in a bar thing.

 

[Ignorance is not bliss]

Think whatever you like man, but the one universal truth is that women don't reject men for "nothing." No one rejects another person for nothing. That is delusional thinking or your ego taking over.

You can dismiss what I posted because I am a woman or you can give it some thought precisely because I am a woman.

I speak from experience; what attracts me as well as other women I know and believe me, men who parade around believing they're higher SMV, better looking, charming with $$$ whatever get rejected REAL fast.

But suit yourself, I've asked Admin to delete my account and just waiting for that to happen. In the meantime, I will continue to speak my piece from my perspective as a woman, take or leave.

All the best to all of you, ciao.

Why would you ask to get kicked out?
The female perspective is 50% of the answer.

Think whatever you like man, but the one universal truth is that women don't reject men for "nothing." No one rejects another person for nothing. That is delusional thinking or your ego taking over.

You can dismiss what I posted because I am a woman or you can give it some thought precisely because I am a woman.

I speak from experience; what attracts me as well as other women I know and believe me, men who parade around believing they're higher SMV, better looking, charming with $$$ whatever get rejected REAL fast.

But suit yourself, I've asked Admin to delete my account and just waiting for that to happen. In the meantime, I will continue to speak my piece from my perspective as a woman, take or leave.

All the best to all of you, ciao.

Why would you want to be kicked out? The female perspective is 50% of the equation. Personally, I want to know what women are thinking.