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[SW15]

was in law school last year, and it was quite pressured, as well as the entire legal field in general, and imo does take a specific personality type to handle that type of pressure and other demands, which may result in what you refer to as "boss ladies."

And thus are capable of being feminine and submissive at home with their man.

Assuming he's strong, emotionally secure, she respects him and looks up to him.

In a law firm, the paralegals are generally more dateable than the female lawyers. The paralegals are a better option in every way possible, including as medium to longer term prospects.

The “girl boss” types in medicine, law, and business have a difficult time getting in touch with their feminine energies. Even the ones who look feminine & pretty.

 

[SW15]

I will say careerist women tend to be narcissistic. I don’t know how someone deals with them for very long based on my own experience.

I also have no idea how men deal with careerist women in a romantic setting for any period of time. That’s a bad way to interact with them. I’ve had to deal with careerist women in my line of work while on the job & that’s annoying too. It’s far more annoying in a romance context

A woman's role is to take care of the family and keep the home in order.

A career-oriented woman who vigorously keeps up with her LinkedIn page and who is determined to shatter through that glass ceiling one day - men shouldn't desire this type of woman.

You are correct about a woman’s role. On LinkedIn, I’ve seen plenty of posts in the NewsFeed featuring a woman complaining about getting romantic offers in her DMs. These are usually careerist women in their 30s-40s complaining. Some of the complainers are married or in multi year LTRs.
It seems like plenty of men are interested in career women because many women on LinkedIn are getting their DMs blown up by men interested in them for romantic/sexual reasons. Part of the reason women get messaged on LinkedIn for sex is because Tinder/Bumble/Hinge are a shiit show & men aren’t doing a good job approaching in real life.

Instagram & Twitter DMs are also being blown up too.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Here's a good video I watched yesterday about why certain women act so masculine -

 

[Barrister]

I also have no idea how men deal with careerist women in a romantic setting for any period of time. That’s a bad way to interact with them. I’ve had to deal with careerist women in my line of work while on the job & that’s annoying too. It’s far more annoying in a romance context

Full disclaimer - I dated a fellow lawyer for 2.5 years. Very attractive and was a great dresser and could work a room. She had outstanding social skills which is what attracted me to her in the first place - but the thing is there was no "off" switch to her business like personality and what began as minor annoyances eventually became toxic. She had almost zero nurturing traits as well. She was fun to go out with - but I knew early on that she wasn't a very long term option.

I believe this, however the "right" man may be able to bring her feminine energies to surface - a man more intelligent, more successful, emotionally stronger.

These traits are branded into a woman by the time they are mid-twenties if not even before. The man can do what he can to set boundaries and this can work in short moments. But he isn't going to change her or make her realize her feminine side. In my own LTR previously mentioned, there was a constant back and forth power struggle that demanded A LOT of dread game. Dread game was the only thing she would respond to positively. That is not tenable (at least not in my mind) to a man's long term sanity.

 

[CBear]

I'm surprised to hear men prefer and desire women without a career.

Which would mean she makes less money, which would mean you, as a man, would become her "beta provider," needing to financially support her, which many of you guys are against!

Having a career does not automatically mean she's less feminine or less submissive at home, with you.

A woman can have a career and be extremely feminine and submissive with you, and there are women without careers who are the opposite.

I've seen both..

What am I missing? Serious question.

This. I don't understand why guys on here don't want a woman with at least a decent career. It's black and white thinking. She can take care of herself and she's not dependent on you for money, which can cause for a boatload of issues. In the end, it's about balance. You don't want a woman who desires to be a mom, with no career, is dependent on you, and is the most used bicycle in the neighborhood but you don't want a independent woman with a big career, who lacks the desire to be a mother or to cook for you, and worse, wants you to pay for her even when she makes plenty of money. These 2 are the least desirable women in my eyes. But a women with a fairly cleaner past and a decent career that wants to be nurturing and respectful is ideal. Those are just the hardest to find.

 

[SW15]

Full disclaimer - I dated a fellow lawyer for 2.5 years. Very attractive and was a great dresser and could work a room. She had outstanding social skills which is what attracted me to her in the first place - but the thing is there was no "off" switch to her business like personality and what began as minor annoyances eventually became toxic. She had almost zero nurturing traits as well. She was fun to go out with - but I knew early on that she wasn't a very long term option.

In my own LTR previously mentioned, there was a constant back and forth power struggle that demanded A LOT of dread game. Dread game was the only thing she would respond to positively. That is not tenable (at least not in my mind) to a man's long term sanity.

2.5 years is a long time. I’m conflicted on whether to be impressed by that duration or be critical of you for staying too long in that situation. You did the right thing in getting out at some point without having to raise a kid with her as your ex. While you got 2.5 years out of it, this sounds more like a woman for a 6-12 month relationship at best & that’s if a man has a tolerance for higher powered career women. I don’t have that tolerance.

Using dread game constantly is bad for sanity.

 

[Barrister]

2.5 years is a long time. I’m conflicted on whether to be impressed by that duration or be critical of you for staying too long in that situation. You did the right thing in getting out at some point without having to raise a kid with her as your ex. While you got 2.5 years out of it, this sounds more like a woman for a 6-12 month relationship at best & that’s if a man has a tolerance for higher powered career women. I don’t have that tolerance.

Using dread game constantly is bad for sanity.

I would definitely say I stayed for about a year too long - at least. So no reason to be impressed by this lol.

 

[2Rocky]

Bottom line:

I am not paying for another man’s child.

SO as a father to 3 kids in Double digit ages, I knew I was going to have a woman in my life who needed to help me in the parenting department.
A single 25-30 year old was not going to tolerate not being the center of attention.
A mother was going to understand when and how I needed to interact with my kids.

I pretty much decided I was going to need to date a woman with kids no younger than mine. That ruled out quite a few prospects, especially younger. I found that older kids meant: Longer out of the marriage: which meant: Less Bitter, Less Ex- Drama, More family focused, better financial standing

Long story short, I've never "paid for another man's child"


We both have a history of 20 years before the two of us met.....That formed our personalities experiences and expectations.

 

[EyeBRollin]

SO as a father to 3 kids in Double digit ages, I knew I was going to have a woman in my life who needed to help me in the parenting department.
A single 25-30 year old was not going to tolerate not being the center of attention.
A mother was going to understand when and how I needed to interact with my kids.

I pretty much decided I was going to need to date a woman with kids no younger than mine. That ruled out quite a few prospects, especially younger. I found that older kids meant: Longer out of the marriage: which meant: Less Bitter, Less Ex- Drama, More family focused, better financial standing

Long story short, I've never "paid for another man's child"


We both have a history of 20 years before the two of us met.....That formed our personalities experiences and expectations.

Your situation is different. I am an unmarried, childless man. Single mother was a dealbreaker for me. I am not going to financial support another man’s child. Period.

 

[SW15]

I would definitely say I stayed for about a year too long - at least. So no reason to be impressed by this lol.

It is common to stay in relationships too long. It’s often difficult to get through the early stages of dating. Lots of things fizzle out early on. Once exclusivity has been determined & it is an actual relationship, a lot of those types of interactions go on too long. Many marriages fit that description.

 

[Grounded eagle]

First, I'm not a "feminist," not that there's anything wrong with it, I just don't consider myself one nor have the men who have dated me.

Secondly, most human beings are multi-dimensional; there is also something called "balance" and granted not everyone, which includes both women and men, have learned how to effectively balance - romantic relationships, career, parenting, friendships, life! - a well rounded multidimensional emotionally healthy human being possess various different facets to their personality and thus know how to properly balance.



I understand this. Young women are still finding their way, their place in this ever-changing crazy world.

They haven't yet learned how to balance and thus devote their entire energy to their career (career as defined by @SW15 earlier).

That said, as I stated in previous, I was in law school last year, and it was quite pressured, as well as the entire legal field in general, and imo does take a specific personality type to handle that type of pressure and other demands, which may result in what you refer to as "boss ladies."

But once these same women learn balance, IF they learn it, things should mellow out and they'll realize they do not need to be quite so aggressive and "bossy" to be taken seriously.

And thus are capable of being feminine and submissive at home with their man.

Assuming he's strong, emotionally secure, she respects him and looks up to him.

Didn’t say you were a feminist. I pointed out that what you said was feminist in nature.There is a difference.And let’s not get into what’s wrong with feminism.(Pretty much everything)

The idea that career women can attain balance is good in theory,but in my experience,that’s all it is,an idea. I have never met a career woman who has retained her hold on her femininity.And I’ve met more than a few.A lot of the women in my family are career women.Most of them are alone and are almost in their fifties.Why?

It’s not just them,either.There’s the career women I meet in my day to day life.One thing that has always struck me about them is the feeling that,”This isn’t someone I’d like to be married to.”

Maybe you’ll dismiss my opinion as too anecdotal, and provide a counter argument which is just as anecdotal ironically by stating something along the lines of “the right man” being able to bring out the femininity in these women. I urge you to consider,though,that if most men share this opinion,then surely there’s some validity to it?

I mean think about your typical stuck up feminist.If she’s not an entitled adult baby then she’s definitely a career woman.

This is not what men want.For reasons I see have already been discussed in this thread ad nauseam.And women who care about forming relationships with men should deal with it.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Yes it did however the negative outcome of that is what we have now - women expecting and feeling 'entitled' to having a man pay and support her even when she has a decent job and able to pay for herself!

Which is precisely what many of you guys complain about - women's entitlement - is it not?

But yet here on this thread many of you still maintain the frame that you prefer a woman who sticks within her traditional role of staying home, not working, taking care of family and YOU supporting her which is what started this whole 'women's entitlement' mess!

The way I see it, you cannot have it both ways. If you don't want to foster women's entitlement, then something's gotta give within how you view women who work and have careers and able to financially support herself.

Stop feeding the beast......

If you think being a career woman is the remedy to female entitlement,then you’re unable or unwilling to pay attention enough to truly understand the problem.Now,more than any other time in history,you got women attaining high levels of education (more than men actually)and subsequently entering the higher echelons of the work force,that is,becoming career women.

And yet you also see that female entitlement is at an all time high.It has nothing to do with men doing something that should be their responsibility in the first place.It’s all on the women.If you want to find prime examples of female entitlement,look to accomplished career women,or women with high levels of education.

These are the worst of the bunch in many ways.They think that their education or annual salary means that they deserve better men in their lives.They think that men care about how much they earn.Of course,the vast majority end up miserable and alone because they have forgotten how to be feminine,which is what men want.

 

[2Rocky]

The laws need to change. Marriage is an exceptionally bad deal for men and women in its modern form.

I could compare it to a legal system between a parent and child where the parent is not allowed to exercise any parental authority (financial abuse), choose the schools his kid goes too, discipline his kid etc

The parent doesn’t own the kid - the State does.
The husband doesn’t own the wife - the State does.

Until I am the legal owner of my woman and kids then marriage is totally off the table for me

Yeah I'd say you would be better off not to get married...

YEESH.

 

[2Rocky]

The way women are manipulated into working is similar to how women are manipulated into allowing Trans Men to use their bathroom.

Women are getting absolutely mugged, abused and punked by male social engineers who want to erase gender and families. Simple as. Women need help, and not the white-knighting kind. They need to be led by a firm, masculine and loving hand that will allow them to be true women again, unashamed of their femininity.

Dear Abby, Why can't I get a second date?.....

 

[2Rocky]

feminised men like you also need to be led by a firm, masculine and loving hand. Betas upholding the rotten edifice are as big an issue as anything else at the moment

Looks like it's working juuuuust great for you too? The soapbox gets lonely after a while...

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I'm surprised to hear men prefer and desire women without a career.

Which would mean she makes less money, which would mean you, as a man, would become her "beta provider," needing to financially support her, which many of you guys are against!

Having a career does not automatically mean she's less feminine or less submissive at home, with you.

A woman can have a career and be extremely feminine and submissive with you, and there are women without careers who are the opposite.

I've seen both..

What am I missing? Serious question.

Ugh I think it’s overblown by RP try hards. We just don’t want some power hungry feminist

 

[devilkingx2]

Mostly every single mom fits A. As a man, you'll never be her top priority. Even if her kids are high school aged and fairly independent, she'll prattle on about their activities and still be busy dealing with their shiit. Women with younger children are the worst. Some men in their 40s can justify dealing with similarly aged women with children who are in high school and most of the way grown up. I would still find that annoying in a lot of ways.

I think there's actually plenty of single moms who'd blow off their kids to go clubbing or out with a man she likes or something. There's been news stories about babies left unattended so the mommy can go out.

This may be ideal for a dude who doesn't care about the morality and just wants to have fun.

Most white collar women have crazy standards because they are more likely to use a swipe app than a woman who works as a Walmart retail store location. That's even true for a 25-30 year old Marketing Associate who works only 40 hours a week and does not take her work too seriously, just enough to stay employed. That's not a careerist per se but even that woman will have elements of her personality resembling a career woman. Then, there are women in non-management roles who are career climbers and aspiring to get into management someday. Those women, despite not yet having the higher power titles/responsibilities/salaries, are nearly every bit as careerist because they want that.

The only thing worse than a busy boring high standards career woman, would be one whose career isn't even cool or respectable. Like a department store manager or some **** lmao.

 

[SW15]

I think there's actually plenty of single moms who'd blow off their kids to go clubbing or out with a man she likes or something. There's been news stories about babies left unattended so the mommy can go out.

This may be ideal for a dude who doesn't care about the morality and just wants to have fun.

That's likely a small percentage of single moms. Most single moms are child first. Some single moms also are careerist/think about their work a lot.

The only thing worse than a busy boring high standards career woman, would be one whose career isn't even cool or respectable. Like a department store manager or some **** lmao.

I remember once I was interacting with this elementary school teacher who was making things difficult for me in terms of date scheduling. I told her that "It would be easier to get on President Obama's schedule (Obama was president when this happened) than on yours". I think by me being less agreeable and calling her out, it increased my attractiveness in her eyes. I did go on that date, but it went nowhere. She was fairly unpleasant on that date too.

There are men who go on dates with women who are real estate agents, non-managerial business professionals, nurses, etc. who are not necessarily careerist but act careerist. It's annoying.