The number one reason MOST of you on here probably struggle.

[BillyPilgrim]

Here is my problem dude. I am not going to debate you here but you are obviously convinced that your point of view is right. Society ain't changing. It's like asking for things to be like how they used to be where dudes could work in the factory and buy a home, it ain't happening.

So you are convinced that some dudes are doomed to fail with women, fine. Maybe you are one of those dudes, that's fine. Then why spend your days on a forum where men are dedicating themselves to get better with women? Why spread your version of "truth" in a place where it has no benefit other than making other men toxic and not give it their all with game?

Why not leave, go to a place which is more conductive to a hobby you are cut out for, and just focus on that?

Society is not changing, period. To think day and night about it is worrying about stuff way out of your control.

Men do turn their dating lives around.

Men do slay.

Men are adjusting.

Men are getting theirs.

You are not and that's fine but why stick around?

I genuinely never got dudes who have thrown in the towel that somehow still stick around on forums like this to spread their depressing message? Is it because seeing others potentially succeeds hurts that much more?

Ask yourself, what would Hank Moody do?

 

[Slowhandluke]

Society is not changing, period.

Hahahahah.. trust me society changes. I'm 46. I still remember a time without cellphones or the internet. When u made a date u called that girl on a thing called a "landline". You setup a date a few days in advance with the time and place. U couldn't do any last minute changes because nobody had cell phones.

When u called her home sometimes only her mom or dad picked up. Hahhahahaha... society changes.

Also, when a girl was dating two people at once, she was called a slut and people would shun her - even her best friends. Society does indeed change. But seemingly young people still think they know everything it's ok, time will change that too...

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Being obsessed with anything is probably bad. But if being interested in young women is weird...well call me Mr. Weirdo.

There is a fine line. Being open to going for younger women and going for ones who are interested in you because you come off as a cool, smooth, and fun guy? Nothing wrong.

Constantly wanting to get with college girls in your 30s because you missed out on the college experience, trying to figure out where to find younger women, and wanting them to accept you as some red pilled MGTOW type that hates society? Very very weird.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Hahahahah.. trust me society changes. I'm 46. I still remember a time without cellphones or the internet. When u made a date u called that girl on a thing called a "landline". You setup a date a few days in advance with the time and place. U couldn't do any last minute changes because nobody had cell phones.

When u called her home sometimes only her mom or dad picked up. Hahhahahaha... society changes.

Also, when a girl was dating two people at once, she was called a slut and people would shun her - even her best friends. Society does indeed change. But seemingly young people still think they know everything it's ok, time will change that too...

Oh yeah, it's gonna change but just not in the way you want.

Slutty women will get sluttier.

Slayers will slay more.

The average man and incel will be left behind to forever hang in the metaverse and in videogames.

So yeah, it's gonna change, just not back to the old days.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I just searched for old thread titles that contain the words 'Number One Reason,' and 3 popped up. Everyone's a guru.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Oh yeah, it's gonna change but just not in the way you want.

Slutty women will get sluttier.

Slayers will slay more.

The average man and incel will be left behind to forever hang in the metaverse and in videogames.

So yeah, it's gonna change, just not back to the old days.

you sure about that? A lot of slutty women aren't getting married... aren't having kids. The male players, are still playing... Guess who are having the highest birthrates? Religious people. I wouldn't be surprise if these religious people are teaching their kids to be more religious. There's a study that says the younger generation are more conservative... Oh well, whatever...

The pendulum always swings the other way. In the history of things, I don't think we have reach peak sluttiness yet. Remember the pilgrims left old Europe because of moral decay.. to create a society that was extremely puritan; I don't think today's society has reached the decadence of old Europe yet.

To be honest, I don't think we will even get there before its no longer cool to be a "slut" or a "player". Heck, I heard its no longer cool to drink alcohol anymore. Hell, I never thought there would be a time drinking beer with your friends would be considered uncool, but the sales of alcohol has really gone downhill according to the beer/wine industry.

Oh well, society will change. It always has. Trying to predict the future is hard. however, if all the sluts and players don't have kids because they keep on spinning plates or riding the carousel; their ideology will die with them. Those that have innocent/impressionable sons and daughters. These parents will be more able to shape their kids outlook on life. That's just logical.

Oh, even though we do not live in Britain (I am assuming). Muslim have slowly turned that country more religious. More women there are getting more and more virginal. Heck, maybe in our lifetimes, due to the large number of Muslims migrating and having kids in Britain, British society may ultimately become less slutty in general. Who would have thunk????

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I just searched for old thread titles that contain the words 'Number One Reason,' and 3 popped up. Everyone's a guru.

Not me!!!

 

[biggoal]

So the point I make keeps getting missed but let me clarify it.

Yes, I do think that it is really weird for a guy in his 30s to be obsessed with wanting 18-21 year old women. If they naturally come to him then great, all the power to him. If on the other hand he is chasing them hard and trying to go to college campuses to get them, he is weird and has some serious issues. I also do not get the obsession men on red pill forums have over women that much younger than them and how obsessed they are with the women being "fertile". Like dude, you sound weird AF and if you put things to her like you do online, she'd run for her life.

Next up, I will stand by what I have said. Yes, most men on fringe online forums like this are really toxic and it explains why they suck so poorly with women. Not only does their vibe suck as they bring that bad energy with them and oh believe me, it is carrying with them to real life, they also come off as odd and unrelatable.

Yes, normal people watch sports and cheer over them for fun.

Normal people are impressed by a good movie.

Dudes on fringe forums are already abnormal and become unrelatable when they have really weird hobbies yet expect hot girls to line up and date them, that is asinine.

it's normal for men of all ages to be attracted to young women. But as a society it's not the norm. But anyway, that's probably a large reason so many guys struggle on here in the 30s on up range. They're trying to chase girls 15 years younger. If you're 39 chasing 21 year olds you're going to be a creepy guy.

Look at the chad, famous James Franco. Chad, good looking, RICH, famous, high status, everything going for him. Made comment on instagram and got flamed for it. Btw 17 is okay in many places. If she were 18 he'd still be getting flamed.

IMO that's what has probably scared a lot of women in their 20s off the dating sites like Match, POF, and Eharmony. guys 15 years and older bombarding them with messages. I know on OLD dates I've been on with women in their late 30s said they got bombarded by creepy old men. I can only imagine what it would be like for a 22 year old on Match getting bombarded from 40 and 55 year olds. Now, if I see a woman under 30 on Match they're obese. They're on Tinder now which has younger users.

 

[zekko]

Like if I was to introduce you to a crowd of hot girls and ask you to sit down and chat with them, you would make a fool out of yourselves. I mean think about the mental content you are surrounding yourself with on the daily whenever you browse internet forums or a red pill community

This is not a bad theory, but there's one problem with it: Most guys who came here were struggling with women before they ever came to the community - that's why they came here. Myself, for instance, I had my own issues with women growing up, and at that time there wasn't any Red Pill or even the internet. I wasn't an incel, I did okay, but I had my own difficulties and insecurities. I had to work my way through them, just like everybody else.

You're right though, in some ways I was unrelatable. Mainly because I was interested in my own things, hobbies and aspirations I was caught up with. According to PUA Theory, this is supposed to be a good thing - Be On Your Mission. But it didn't put me on the same page as some of the women I was interested in. Plus I lacked social skills. Doesn't matter. I worked on them, and got better. By the time I found the community, there wasn't much it could do for me. Maybe tweaked a few odds and ends. But it wasn't the source of my problems.

I think my main problems were I lacked social skills, didn't really have the looks and genetics of a top guy (I was very scrawny as a kid), and had a few bad experiences that undermined my confidence.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

This is not a bad theory, but there's one problem with it: Most guys who came here were struggling with women before they ever came to the community - that's why they came here. Myself, for instance, I had my own issues with women growing up, and at that time there wasn't any Red Pill or even the internet. I wasn't an incel, I did okay, but I had my own difficulties and insecurities. I had to work my way through them, just like everybody else.

You're right though, in some ways I was unrelatable. Mainly because I was interested in my own things, hobbies and aspirations I was caught up with. According to PUA Theory, this is supposed to be a good thing - Be On Your Mission. But it didn't put me on the same page as some of the women I was interested in. Plus I lacked social skills. Doesn't matter. I worked on them, and got better. By the time I found the community, there wasn't much it could do for me. Maybe tweaked a few odds and ends. But it wasn't the source of my problems.

I think my main problems were I lacked social skills, didn't really have the looks and genetics of a top guy (I was very scrawny as a kid), and had a few bad experiences that undermined my confidence.

I feel like I'm having to learn how to be social all over again, honestly. Been couped up for the last 2 years. I had some interviews the other day, and felt awkward and uncomfortable during them.

 

[zekko]

I feel like I'm having to learn how to be social all over again, honestly. Been couped up for the last 2 years. I had some interviews the other day, and felt awkward and uncomfortable during them.

I could see that. A lot of people have become more isolative as a result of the pandemic. I agree it's felt unnatural at times getting back out there.

 

[BadBoy89]

"Chads" are never weird because they grew up playing sports, socializing with other people a lot, being involved in a ton of social activities, and as a result have more experiences that make them relatable.

Yes because every kid in North America has these opportunities. They had a large close knit family, talked to alot of kids, socialized with hot girls in grade school, had parents that took them on vacation, always ate good meals, grew up tall and handsome, and had a loving close-knit environment with hot girls next door.

Alot of times when I came home from school I got beat up. Not too much time to join a dancing club to socialize.

Come on.

Meanwhile your average dude or incel was stuck on internet forums, complained about women all the time, got into fringe online groups, played a ton of videogames, and stayed locked up in his house.

Most men who have problems with women grew up with extreme amounts of emotional and physical abuse. That's why alot of men are addicted to video games, porn, and gambling, it's an escape from the abuse. It's their go-to safe haven that's always there for them.

Yet if these guys aren't 6'1 Chad's when they older, they are made fun of.

Rock on!

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

"Chads" are never weird because they grew up playing sports, socializing with other people a lot, being involved in a ton of social activities, and as a result have more experiences that make them relatable. Meanwhile your average dude or incel was stuck on internet forums, complained about women all the time, got into fringe online groups, played a ton of videogames, and stayed locked up in his house.

I knew plenty of “Chads”, I’m in my late twenties so most have become fat and married lol, that played a ton of video games and had similar hobbies to nerds. Now the Chads that are chads in their late twenties and thirties have lifestyles that lifestyles and personalities that aren’t compatible with women and they can’t keep a relationship to save their life lol,

 

[Epicenter]

There is a fine line. Being open to going for younger women and going for ones who are interested in you because you come off as a cool, smooth, and fun guy? Nothing wrong.

Constantly wanting to get with college girls in your 30s because you missed out on the college experience, trying to figure out where to find younger women, and wanting them to accept you as some red pilled MGTOW type that hates society? Very very weird.

I knew plenty of “Chads”, I’m in my late twenties so most have become fat and married lol, that played a ton of video games and had similar hobbies to nerds. Now the Chads that are chads in their late twenties and thirties have lifestyles that lifestyles and personalities that aren’t compatible with women and they can’t keep a relationship to save their life lol,

I guess they are weird now too

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I guess they are weird now too

yeah, post college women find it hard to relate to someone with a lifestyle that supports a six pack and six figures.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yes because every kid in North America has these opportunities. They had a large close knit family, talked to alot of kids, socialized with hot girls in grade school, had parents that took them on vacation, always ate good meals, grew up tall and handsome, and had a loving close-knit environment with hot girls next door.

Alot of times when I came home from school I got beat up. Not too much time to join a dancing club to socialize.

Come on.

Most men who have problems with women grew up with extreme amounts of emotional and physical abuse. That's why alot of men are addicted to video games, porn, and gambling, it's an escape from the abuse. It's their go-to safe haven that's always there for them.

Yet if these guys aren't 6'1 Chad's when they older, they are made fun of.

Rock on!

As someone who had a rough childhood, BOO f-cking HOO bro. People have tough childhoods and go through much worse and yet they still fight to have a good life, it's tough yeah but it happens.

On a more sensitive note, no one is angry at people who delve into the world of videogames and porn to get away from it, I am not. The problem are guys who seem to not take trying to get women seriously (or just fail at it) and yet somehow spam up the internet trying to be experts spouting nonsense theories and spreading it like gospel despite not experiencing much if any success in game.