Women & Money

[biggoal]

Nah. To a woman, a “sexy 30K man” is an oxymoron.

I think it all depends on age too. A 23 year old guy it doesn't matter much since most are broke at that age. If you're 43 years old it's going to matter a lot what your career is.

I think location matters too. This part of FL the only people making over 100k a year are doctors, PAs, lawyers, CPAs, university professors. The vast majority with college degrees around here are NOT making that 100k a year pay.

 

[Bigpapa]

Aside the practical uses of money - you can do more things and give her better experiences.

There’s a bigger reason women like wealthy men. It’s a symbol of success and proof in the eyes of a woman. In her mind, a man with lots of money symbolises a successful and powerful man that society must have rewarded with lots of money because he is somehow worthy of his wealth and status. Women rationalise it this way and her attraction triggers of “safety”, “proof”, “status” are all hit. A wealthy guy can still blow this if he is a poor communicator and has poor game - it’s the different between Bruce Wayne and Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates.

the only problem is if you do not provide , she will leave you

and forever you will have in your head “ is she with me because of what I am , or because of who I am “ , which will make you not really trust her ever

 

[Bigpapa]

I think that providing her with your time and presence is enough, if you’re a high value man.

If you start thinking that “I need to buy stuff for her and pay for a lifestyle standard” then you’re a beta provider and she will start walking on your face in high heels. Ask Bill Gates for confirmation

totally agree , but if you have the money … she will want some of it

The vast majority of women will not stay with a guy without getting anything materialistic out of it

happened to me a couple of days ago …

and I am not rich , just doing ok and living a premium life

 

[B80]

A woman who goes for the 30k guy is much more likely to be a more worthwhile woman. A woman who chases money is less worthwhile by definition.

Virtually no attractive woman over around 21 will go for 30k guy over 150k guy unless tge 30k is top tier in other stuff... which by definition of only earning 30k is extremely unlikely.

Incredibmy Good looking and or charismatic men are unlikely to be earning such a low wage.

Assuming the 150k guy isn't some autistic nerd. But then the attractive woman is likely to have plenty of options.

 

[Bigpapa]

Never, ever give a woman access to your money, or feel you have to in exchange for access to her. It never in any way benefits you.

Counter-intuitively women actually lose respect for you the more you buy for her. They are like fat goldfish. What you want to do is be a high value, wealthy man….and give none of your wealth to women. Or do it totally on your terms.

The great fallacy is that you have to give material things to women in exchange for sex. No. You just have to be high value.

yes , I know very well , that is why things ended

sure , women will say that is not the money or whatever , but in most cases is .

how many women will stay with a guy if he looses his wealth , or having to downgrade his lifestyle . None , or maybe there will be some but this is very low odds

 

[Kotaix]

In the West that just doesn’t happen. Most women look at men that earn under $100K with pure contempt.

This is a case of what women say they want vs what they actually do. The vast majority of men make under 100k, but most women settle and have a boyfriend.

Same is true for men. Most guys want a woman who is an 8 or higher, but the supply of hot women vastly outpaces the demand.

 

[Velasco]

Virtually no attractive woman over around 21 will go for 30k guy over 150k guy unless tge 30k is top tier in other stuff... which by definition of only earning 30k is extremely unlikely.

Incredibmy Good looking and or charismatic men are unlikely to be earning such a low wage.

Assuming the 150k guy isn't some autistic nerd. But then the attractive woman is likely to have plenty of options.

I am living proof that this is false. Reason I earn a low wage is for a number of reasons. But to me the career I am interested in pursuing, while also not high salary, puts me directly with girls that I want to fvck. I'm also extremely lazy so this quote applies to me.

If the goal is to sleep with tons of hot young girls, I will look for the easiest solution to get me this result Vs doing sh1t the hard way. I think PUA does attract lazy guys that like shortcuts. Life (especially your prime years) is too short to be wasted doing things you don't want to do.

 

[Bigpapa]

This is a case of what women say they want vs what they actually do. The vast majority of men make under 100k, but most women settle and have a boyfriend.

Same is true for men. Most guys want a woman who is an 8 or higher, but the supply of hot women vastly outpaces the demand.

I see normal guys settling all the time with decent looking women …and also with women that the high caliber guys would not progress with so in her 30s go for a normal nice guy and then dumps and destroys his soul

being normal guy is not about being able to have sex , is about whom you will settle with and how you will be in 10 years down the line . A better man or just a shell of who you were

 

[EyeBRollin]

This is a case of what women say they want vs what they actually do. The vast majority of men make under 100k, but most women settle and have a boyfriend.

They treat that boyfriend like shvt, cheat on him, then 80% of the time leave / divorce him.

 

[EyeBRollin]

the only problem is if you do not provide , she will leave you

and forever you will have in your head “ is she with me because of what I am , or because of who I am “ , which will make you not really trust her ever

Women do not care about who you are. This is a huge myth guys need to get over. Women care about your ability to fulfill her needs. That’s it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

and give none of your wealth to women. Or do it totally on your terms.

The great fallacy is that you have to give material things to women in exchange for sex. No. You just have to be high value.

Sorry bro this is wrong. What good are you to a woman if she has no access to your resources?

The whole reason women seek (financial) security is so she can receive said security. Wealthy cheap fvcks do not retain women.

 

[B80]

Sorry bro this is wrong. What good are you to a woman if she has no access to your resources?

The whole reason women seek (financial) security is so she can receive said security. Wealthy cheap fvcks do not retain women.

Yes indeed, unless you're comfortably above her looks wise too, but that's unlikely.

 

[BadBoy89]

as a summary , when it comes to hooking up the money part is more a nice to have , as other stuff are more important like : location , timing , your social intelligence , how you look , etc

when it comes to a relationship more emphasis comes on the financial side of things

Decent points.

But then who wants a relationship? The man gets a used up woman, who bitches more, and looks worse by the second.

A relationship makes sense for a man if a woman has no legal or economic or social power. But when she has all this, when she is brainwashed that a man should only exist to make her comfortable and happy, and she has the legal power to leave him anytime with society’s blessing and encouragement, it makes no sense,

And most importantly , you have to realize that the relationship is on the shoulders of the guy mainly , as more or less he has to make amends with himself that he more or less has to provide for the girl one way or the other . Women always do not take accountability for anything

Decent points.

But the who wants a relationship? The man has to make more money to keep an aging older women?

A relationship makes sense for a man if a woman has no legal or economic or social power. But when she has all this, when she is brainwashed that a man should only exist to make her comfortable and happy, and she has the legal power to leave him anytime with society’s blessing and encouragement, it makes no sense,

Remember men, when women are young and most fertile, they don’t care about money, they want to basic instinct sex, When they hit 30 and lose their looks and their sexual power declines, then they start to care about money, they want the transactional sex.

Be strong.

 

[Bigpapa]

Decent points.

But then who wants a relationship? The man gets a used up woman, who bitches more, and looks worse by the second.

A relationship makes sense for a man if a woman has no legal or economic or social power. But when she has all this, when she is brainwashed that a man should only exist to make her comfortable and happy, and she has the legal power to leave him anytime with society’s blessing and encouragement, it makes no sense,



Decent points.

But the who wants a relationship? The man has to make more money to keep an aging older women?

A relationship makes sense for a man if a woman has no legal or economic or social power. But when she has all this, when she is brainwashed that a man should only exist to make her comfortable and happy, and she has the legal power to leave him anytime with society’s blessing and encouragement, it makes no sense,

Remember men, when women are young and most fertile, they don’t care about money, they want to basic instinct sex, When they hit 30 and lose their looks and their sexual power declines, then they start to care about money, they want the transactional sex.

Be strong.

hey man , really good points .

I guess that all the time I was looking for someone to share a decent life with , maybe have some children etc

but the more time has passed , the more bitter I became towards women . Not in that way . I still love them , but realized that what I hoped to find is way different than what they can offer

 

[EyeBRollin]

Remember men, when women are young and most fertile, they don’t care about money, they want to basic instinct sex, When they hit 30 and lose their looks and their sexual power declines, then they start to care about money, they want the transactional sex.

Be strong.

It’s all transactional sex. Even when young. The transaction is based more on status than tangible money. Your starting QB in high school was slaying broads 1000 times more than the star pupil. They want the alpha. The alpha makes them wet.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I guess that all the time I was looking for someone to share a decent life with , maybe have some children etc

but the more time has passed , the more bitter I became towards women . Not in that way . I still love them , but realized that what I hoped to find is way different than what they can offer

Sharing a decent life really means you busting your ass for 50 years to pay her bills. Women serve no purpose other than having children. Frankly, it is after she gives birth when her true value shines. That is their purpose.

Try this exercise. Ask an unmarried, childless woman what her purpose in life is. Not only will she not have an answer to that, most can’t even describe a single hobby.

 

[Bigpapa]

The "value" or "transaction" is actually the very fact that she sees you as high value, getting you to invest your time in her, she feels validated. That's the transaction. And it doesn't cost a penny aside your time and energy spent being around her.

Women are kind of like lunchline bullies. You give your money to a lunchline bull and the bully thinks you're a queer. Women are the same. You pay for her stuff and she's like "pffft queer" under her breath.

it Works at the beginning , but she will leave if you do not start pumping money one way or the other

hooking up is different than managing a relationship

and even when hooking up with Normal girls , most of them will try to blow it up thinking that you will reject them once you find out how normal they are

 

[Bigpapa]

That's because staying with a woman in an LTR is unavoidably beta. That's why they had to create a legal system to protect men in LTRs (that system has now been dismantled by the Alphas).

Trying to "keep" a woman is beta. She should be trying to keep you.

This may sound extreme, but its the only dynamic that makes women happy long term. She has to see you as "one foot out the door" always.

used to be like that . I am 32 now . When I was younger this worked, now not really

either Like them , either they leave eventually

I think that it has to do with the abundance of simps that a woman has and not having to work for it . Only 1 click away

the game changed . It does not have the same dynamic anymore with the rise of Simps and feminists , as women feel very entitled for no reason

 

[Velasco]

it Works at the beginning , but she will leave if you do not start pumping money one way or the other

hooking up is different than managing a relationship

She will leave. My goal is not to keep her with me forever, but to extend the relationship to where when she decides to leave me, I've already extracted everything I wanted from her. In terms of going as far as she was willing to go with regards to sex. Going where I want and doing the non-sexual things I wanted to do with her. This way, breakups end up being painless. For me at least.

 

[Bigpapa]

This is in your mind. You have to be an oak tree and stick to your principles no matter what. So, you may lose some women from time to time who demand that you pay for their enjoyment. You may even lose a lot of women. So what? Once you start doubting your own attractiveness and feel you need to buy attraction, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. You become a man who feels ugly and unworthy in his own skin, and so money becomes your dependent for female access.

I do not have this issue , and hopefully will not have it ever …

was just curious how other guys view the whole situation and maybe learn new tricks

better to be like this , rather than acting like a know it all