(2022 Economist article) Why men are lonelier in America than elsewhere

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Why men are lonelier in America than elsewhere.


Marrying later, working harder and being better parents have diminished male friendships

Jan 1st 2022
WASHINGTON, DC
Are isolated men driving American women up the wall? A recent sketch on “Saturday Night Live”, which refers to studies concluding that males in America are increasingly friendless, suggests that they are. A young woman, frustrated by her boyfriend’s inability to open up to anyone else, takes him by the hand and leads him to a “man park” (like the dog version) where, after a shy start, he finds fellow males to make friends with. Some viewers disliked the likening of men to dogs, but the sketch, which went viral online, illustrates fresh concerns about an old worry: the loneliness of American men.

As people in rich countries work longer hours, marry later and spend more time with their children, not friends, research suggests loneliness is increasing. A study by the University of Pennsylvania found a direct link between social-media usage and loneliness. More time spent online means less time building friendships.

The problem may be particularly severe in America. A large international study by British academics found that people in individualistic countries (a measure on which America scores highest) reported greater loneliness. America also has one of the highest divorce rates; men may be more likely to lose mutual friends after a split. A strong work ethic and geographical mobility (meaning friendships are liable to be lost or weakened as people relocate) is likely to exacerbate the problem.

A survey published in 2021 by the Survey Centre on American Life, part of the American Enterprise Institute, a think-tank, found that friendship groups have shrunk in the past three decades. The decline has been particularly marked among men. In 1990, 55% of American men reported having at least six close friends; today only 27% do. The survey found that 15% of men have no close friendships at all, a fivefold increase since 1990.

Those who study male loneliness believe that a particularly American version of masculinity is in part to blame. Since 1990 Robert Garfield, a psychotherapist and author of “Breaking the Male Code”, has run “friendship labs”, men’s therapeutic groups, which have shown him that men crave emotional connection. But American boys, says Dr Garfield, who has also run such groups in Europe, are often taught that successful men exhibit particular traits—restraint, independence, competitiveness—at the expense of others.

As women’s and lgbt rights have advanced in recent decades, along with more emotional ways of connecting with others, “men are being asked to stretch themselves”, Dr Garfield says. Over time, this is likely to have a positive effect on the way men relate to each other, but at the moment, “males are in a fighting phase”.

Marc Schapiro, a 24-year-old English teacher from Maryland, agrees. He says he was taught male friendship is “stoic and lacking outward affection”. But now he sees a different portrayal of friendship on social media, particularly by women and lgbt people. He would love, he says, to be able to “show more affection and drop the constant snide comments and ribbing”, but he finds the disconnect between what he grew up believing about friendship and how he sees other people relating to each other unsettling. The “quasi-socialising” he and his friends do online, via games and various message boards, meets no real need, he adds.

All this comes at a heavy cost. Suicide is more common among young men than young women. Niobe Way, a psychologist at New York University who studies adolescent male friendship and is the author of “Deep Secrets: Boys’ Friendships and the Crisis of Connection”, says it is no coincidence this divergence begins to happen around the age that many boys move away from close friendships. In childhood, she says, boys tend to be as open as girls about their need for friends. As they get older, they “feel they have to get into a gender straitjacket” and define their masculinity primarily as not being feminine. By the age of 15, many boys start saying they don’t need friends and worrying that close friendships will make them seem “girly”. This “clash of culture and nature”, Dr Way says, is much more marked among white boys than black ones.

The effects are far-reaching. Research has linked loneliness to poor health. It can make men angry and violent. Male loneliness also affects women. Dr Garfield observes that two-thirds of divorces are initiated by women, many of whom complain their husbands are emotionally incompetent. “There’s nothing new about that, but women are increasingly unlikely to put up with it,” he says.
 
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My theory is that in modern society we have no real sense of community, before Bars and Clubs used to be male only spaces to socialise and hang out with your fellow man. Men used to meet women through friends and not behind a computer screen.

Today social media has also replaced a lot of real life social interaction. Most men have no life outside their wife so they become clingy/needy.
 

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My theory is that in modern society we have no real sense of community, before Bars and Clubs used to be male only spaces to socialise and hang out with your fellow man. Men used to meet women through friends and not behind a computer screen.

Today social media has also replaced a lot of real life social interaction. Most men have no life outside their wife so they become clingy/needy.
Correct. If you don't meet women and friends in your college years you're screwed. Stuck with OLD and the left overs and mostly fat, ugly women are on OLD.
 

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I work a ton. My GF is a huge time sink (in a good way). Covid really fractured most of my male friend relationships. Some of my friends won’t hang anymore, as I’m not vacc’d (I’m guessing). I do have a couple that I still see once in a while. Most of female friends (many are ex-‘s) are still strong, as are work friends.
But. I do miss hanging out with my buds. There is something lost when one has only minimal male companionship.
 

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Today social media has also replaced a lot of real life social interaction. Most men have no life outside their wife so they become clingy/needy.
Yes, in person interactions is a dying concept and this goes beyond women but all facets of life.
IRL and cold approach was replaced by OLDs.
Verbal conversations was replaced by texts, apps, etc.
Playgrounds and hanging out was replaced by Playstations and Mics.
Thanks to the pandemic, work “water cooler talk” is being replaced by Zoom.
and I can go on..
Isolation is totally against the grain of a social species!!
 
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Yes, in person interactions is a dying concept and this goes beyond women but all facets of life.
IRL and cold approach was replaced by OLDs.
Verbal conversations was replaced by texts, apps, etc.
Playgrounds and hanging out was replaced by Playstations and Mics.
Thanks to the pandemic, work “water cooler talk” is being replaced by Zoom.
and I can go on..
Isolation is totally against the grain of a social species!!
Then why is OLD mostly washed up moms, fatties, etc but when I go out and about I see better looking women than what is on OLD?
 

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Then why is OLD mostly washed up moms, fatties, etc but when I go out and about I see better looking women than what is on OLD?
Let’s use some common sense here. Hotties can exist and thrive in real life meetups which still happen to a certain degree. The marginal to defective women prefer OLD because they can initially hide who they are long enough to hopefully get in your door…
 

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Let’s use some common sense here. Hotties can exist and thrive in real life meetups which still happen to a certain degree. The marginal to defective women prefer OLD because they can initially hide who they are long enough to hopefully get in your door…
Tempted to get back on Tinder to see if itvhas really fallen so hard in 2 years.
 

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Men used to meet women through friends and not behind a computer screen.
The chart below says it all.

How Heterosexual Couples Meet.jpg

Today social media has also replaced a lot of real life social interaction. Most men have no life outside their wife so they become clingy/needy.
Men can hide a lack of friends in the early stages of relationships. If a man has no life outside of his wife, he is more likely to become clingy/needy.

What I observe is more common is that a man gets deeper into a romantic relationship and lets his male friendships fall by the wayside. One day, he wake up as a divorcing male and realizes that all his male friends are gone.
 

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The chart below says it all.

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Men can hide a lack of friends in the early stages of relationships. If a man has no life outside of his wife, he is more likely to become clingy/needy.

What I observe is more common is that a man gets deeper into a romantic relationship and lets his male friendships fall by the wayside. One day, he wake up as a divorcing male and realizes that all his male friends are gone.
Dudes should be an army of one. Friends come and go. Life happens.
 

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The chart below says it all.

View attachment 7904



Men can hide a lack of friends in the early stages of relationships. If a man has no life outside of his wife, he is more likely to become clingy/needy.

What I observe is more common is that a man gets deeper into a romantic relationship and lets his male friendships fall by the wayside. One day, he wake up as a divorcing male and realizes that all his male friends are gone.
It is just me, or does the graph for met online look like a boner? :eek::D
 

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Dudes should be an army of one. Friends come and go. Life happens.
Friends come & go in term of hanging out with them; they will always be friends. I think this social paradigm derives from the fact that men make their best friends in battle - it's something that is quick & intense, but everyone moves on (or passes on).
 

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A survey published in 2021 by the Survey Centre on American Life, part of the American Enterprise Institute, a think-tank, found that friendship groups have shrunk in the past three decades. The decline has been particularly marked among men. In 1990, 55% of American men reported having at least six close friends; today only 27% do. The survey found that 15% of men have no close friendships at all, a fivefold increase since 1990.

Those who study male loneliness believe that a particularly American version of masculinity is in part to blame. Since 1990 Robert Garfield, a psychotherapist and author of “Breaking the Male Code”, has run “friendship labs”, men’s therapeutic groups, which have shown him that men crave emotional connection. But American boys, says Dr Garfield, who has also run such groups in Europe, are often taught that successful men exhibit particular traits—restraint, independence, competitiveness—at the expense of others.

As women’s and lgbt rights have advanced in recent decades, along with more emotional ways of connecting with others, “men are being asked to stretch themselves”, Dr Garfield says. Over time, this is likely to have a positive effect on the way men relate to each other, but at the moment, “males are in a fighting phase”.
These people are so fvcking clueless. The idea that straight men need to start acting like women and gays in order to make friends is stupid beyond belief. If you want to understand why male friendlessness has been on the rise over the past three decades, you should perhaps pay attention what else has been happening in that timeframe. And a few specific general trends come to mind.

The first trend is the vicious demonization of straight men (i.e. the concept of "toxic masculinity"). If you constantly try to make a group of people feel like they are evil and toxic, don't be surprised if they lose the desire to be social.

The second trend is the rapid and wholesale homosexualization of our society. It made straight men more cautious and apprehensive about forming new friendships and socializing with other men. 30 years ago, if a random dude tried to strike up conversation, you would assume that he was just bored or maybe was new to the area and was trying to make friends. Nowadays, you automatically assume that's he's gay.

The third trend is the continued elimination of opportunities for men to socialize outside of existing cliques. If you look at what life was like in the 50's and 60's, it was a lot more individualistic. And that, in fact, made it easier to make new friends. In those days, you could hop in your car and go to popular hangout spots. People went to clubs and bars alone. You could join social clubs that were specifically designed for men to meet other men and establish friendships and business connections. Nowadays, people don't do this - at least not on the same scale.
 

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I posted a threat about this a while ago perhaps you guys read about it I never confused seniority with loyalty to different things we all need someone to hang out with but never go back to drinking the venom if you're thirsty just because you know a guy since first grade doesn't mean he's loyal
 

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If a society is built and run according to how women work, it's no coincidence that men feel alienated 360 degrees.

This social media, social mob thing also is basically the opposite of how men feel at ease...being observed and judged from crowds of people you dont even know not want anything to do with.

Anyway I feel around me men loneliness, I dont suffer it too much cause despite not being shy at all I have always being an introvert.

Plenty of men I speak with at the gym (where those 2 hours fill all my daily need for socializing) try to invite me to do stuff wheter it's hanging out on the weekends or hiking on sunday morning especially the single ones that can't rely on their woman to deal with the social part.

But again most of those men were used to have a group of friends in their 20s while I was already travelling around Europe and meeting new people in new places while being used to travel alone.

Regarding women, the mess they create in their life cant be matched from drunk monkeys running a nuclear reactor through their cellphones...quarrels, depression, prescription drugs and so on.

No matter how sad those men are, their same age women are way beyond.
 

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Yes i believe this issue isn't just restricted to men. Many women i know have few very strong friendships.

It takes effort. But it really doesn't take that much effort to make a call, tell a few jokes. Guys are easy.

I think women don't have as many deep friends because they know the emotional investment will be alot. Hours on the phone etc. People don't tend to have time for that.
 

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Yes i believe this issue isn't just restricted to men. Many women i know have few very strong friendships.

It takes effort. But it really doesn't take that much effort to make a call, tell a few jokes. Guys are easy.

I think women don't have as many deep friends because they know the emotional investment will be alot. Hours on the phone etc. People don't tend to have time for that.
People dont tend to have time or tolerance for drama and bullsh1t when there isnt a strong libido to support it.
 

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