Attraction & Wealth

[Jair213]

I’ve been experiencing some kind of weird phenomenon lately.

Yes I’m well off. You could say financially successful etc.

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

 

[twelveightyone]

What makes you think the financially successful part is related?

Most women are looking for someone that is financially stable. I don't think it would make them lose interest.

 

[RickTheToad]

Always best to hide your wealth and not lead with it. You should be comfortable, but not showing off. All you are going to do is attract gold diggers and problems you do not want from people who have less, or less than nothing and are jealous.

 

[B80]

I’ve been experiencing some kind of weird phenomenon lately.

Yes I’m well off. You could say financially successful etc.

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

I'd be amazed if they were going distant due the wealth part mate. All things being equal (which they rarely/never are) a women would choose the wealthy guy over the poorer one.

In the same way most men would choose the woman with big breasts (non saggy, well formed ) over a clone with smaller ones.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I’ve been experiencing some kind of weird phenomenon lately.

Yes I’m well off. You could say financially successful etc.

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

I’ve noticed that If I mention work my money or investments most women lose interest. I believe it’s because it gives beta provider vibes and these particular women are not
Looking for that

 

[B80]

I’ve noticed that If I mention work my money or investments most women lose interest. I believe it’s because it gives beta provider vibes and these particular women are not
Looking for that

Yeah I've been an idiot before with women, 'subtly' dropping hints about my business ventures, investments etc. One even openly said at one point she didn;t care about how much I did or didn;t have - not in a sh1tty p1ssed off way, more when subject of money involving exes, future partners came up and she gave what I believe now was honest insight/warning about what she actually wanted and to give me a chance to not to mention it again before she got totally turned off by it, as things were otherwise seemingly good.

Looking back afterwards I did think what you just said. she was earning really good money anyway and basically just wanted someone to have 'fun', raw atttraction with, which is what it was at first. When more serious stuff (that I mistakenly) thought would impress her was introduced, think it contributed to downfall, amongst other things of course. Basically she dropped hints throughout of what she really wanted, but it was only after, upon reflection I could see that.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Yeah I've been an idiot before with women, 'subtly' dropping hints about my business ventures, investments etc. One even openly said at one point she didn;t care about how much I did or didn;t have - not in a sh1tty p1ssed off way, more when subject of money involving exes, future partners came up and she gave what I believe now was honest insight/warning about what she actually wanted and to give me a chance to not to mention it again before she got totally turned off by it, as things were otherwise seemingly good.

Looking back afterwards I did think what you just said. she was earning really good money anyway and basically just wanted someone to have 'fun', raw atttraction with, which is what it was at first. When more serious stuff (that I mistakenly) thought would impress her was introduced, think it contributed to downfall, amongst other things of course. Basically she dropped hints throughout of what she really wanted, but it was only after, upon reflection I could see that.

Yes good point, I think the rule of thumb is:dont Try to impress women as that is supplication and puts you on the lower end. they should be trying to impress you.

 

[HoneyHitter]

Most attractive women care about what you spend, not what you make. Tell her about trips, parties and luxury items. Not about saving, investments or career development.

 

[metalwater]

Most attractive women care about what you spend, not what you make. Tell her about trips, parties and luxury items. Not about saving, investments or career development.

yep; this is the reason for many to have a negative financial net worth. be default women reward image, not substance.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

People who say hide your wealth are jealous
It’s the biggest lie in the seduction community - since pua gurus want to sell courses about their ‘secrets’…

Wearing expensive clothes, nice watches, a cool bachelor pad and a car definitely will make you 10x more attractive to women…people have known this since the begginging of time…it’s why men are so status driven…

money is the biggest thing that increases the quality of woman you can attract and one of the biggest signals of ‘alpha’ (alphas spend the money on themselves, betas spend the money on women). It implies survival skills, resourcefulness, social status, intelligence etc it’s why the hottest women in the world are found in places like St Tropez, High St Kensington/Chelsea, TriBeCa, Miami etc (ie where rich men party) and take so many Instagram pics tagged in upscale restaurants/clubs and why women obsess over expensive bags/shoes

Of course you need other things like dominance, dressing well and game…without those things you will not be seen as a sex symbol

also for many hot women, being rich is just a prerequisite…it’s not enough alone to be impressive…so definitely flex but don’t assume she doesn’t have access to other equally successful men…so don’t lead with it alone

Congrats on your success

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I’ve been experiencing some kind of weird phenomenon lately.

Yes I’m well off. You could say financially successful etc.

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

What kind of women are reacting this way?

 

[Stoic]

I’ve been experiencing some kind of weird phenomenon lately.

Yes I’m well off. You could say financially successful etc.

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

How is she discovering that you are well off?

If you reveal it, it's a turnoff because it comes off as trying to show off and as another poster said, you will come off as supplicating/beta provider.

If she 'discovers' it almost accidentally, then it will be more attractive.

 

[zekko]

Now only reason why I’m bringing this up is because once this side of my life starts revealing to certain woman I barely know they seem to loose a bit of interest and start acting very distant. As if being cautious. Why? Does anyone have this happened to them?

I'm trying to think of an explanation for this and I'm a little stumped. Is it possible you are bragging about your wealth and coming off as arrogant? I make it a policy to never discuss my finances with anyone, let alone women.

 

[B80]

People who say hide your wealth are jealous
It’s the biggest lie in the seduction community - since pua gurus want to sell courses about their ‘secrets’…

Wearing expensive clothes, nice watches, a cool bachelor pad and a car definitely will make you 10x more attractive to women…people have known this since the begginging of time…it’s why men are so status driven…

money is the biggest thing that increases the quality of woman you can attract and one of the biggest signals of ‘alpha’ (alphas spend the money on themselves, betas spend the money on women). It implies survival skills, resourcefulness, social status, intelligence etc it’s why the hottest women in the world are found in places like St Tropez, High St Kensington/Chelsea, TriBeCa, Miami etc (ie where rich men party) and take so many Instagram pics tagged in upscale restaurants/clubs and why women obsess over expensive bags/shoes

Of course you need other things like dominance, dressing well and game…without those things you will not be seen as a sex symbol

also for many hot women, being rich is just a prerequisite…it’s not enough alone to be impressive…so definitely flex but don’t assume she doesn’t have access to other equally successful men…so don’t lead with it alone

Congrats on your success

Yes, it's rare to see a genuinely attractive woman with someone who isn't earning at least an above average income. At least once they hit mid 20's, out of education and into the 'real' world.

Women like to show off, out do their friends and that's unlikely to happen if you're not willing to spend on 'nice' things like cars, holidays, house, clothes, restaurants etc.

Obviously men can be driven to compete with other men by accumulating things, but as a generalisation women are worse ime.

And like you say, it's something that's been built into society/human nature for a long time. Plus status it conveys, although financing, loans, credit cards etc have allowed people to fake it to some degree. 30 years ago driving a nice, fairly new bmw generally meant you were well off to some degree, but now with lease/pcp plans, people earning less can get into them with a fairly low down payment, although not necessarily sensible thing to do for your long term future. Roads littered with German (audi, bmw, merc) cars now in the UK definitely one of the main status symbols, rightly or wrongly. Although now diluted as so many average (probably even lower) earners drive them... the ones with sh1tty lower powered engines anyway. But the manufacturers clearly know what people want as most can come specced with big wheels, sport trims, which make them look similar to high end models, which I assume only enthusiasts can tell the difference at a glance (1 or 2 exhausts instead of 4 etc. Or if they don't debadge the model badges).

 

[Stoic]

People who say hide your wealth are jealous
It’s the biggest lie in the seduction community - since pua gurus want to sell courses about their ‘secrets’…

Wearing expensive clothes, nice watches, a cool bachelor pad and a car definitely will make you 10x more attractive to women…people have known this since the begginging of time…it’s why men are so status driven…

money is the biggest thing that increases the quality of woman you can attract and one of the biggest signals of ‘alpha’ (alphas spend the money on themselves, betas spend the money on women). It implies survival skills, resourcefulness, social status, intelligence etc it’s why the hottest women in the world are found in places like St Tropez, High St Kensington/Chelsea, TriBeCa, Miami etc (ie where rich men party) and take so many Instagram pics tagged in upscale restaurants/clubs and why women obsess over expensive bags/shoes

Of course you need other things like dominance, dressing well and game…without those things you will not be seen as a sex symbol

also for many hot women, being rich is just a prerequisite…it’s not enough alone to be impressive…so definitely flex but don’t assume she doesn’t have access to other equally successful men…so don’t lead with it alone

Congrats on your success

Yes, I agree with this.

If you can become wealthy, go get it.

Best of all- become wealthy and DYNAMIC. Speak another language or two. Be well read. Be an exceptional tennis player. Examples are endless of course. You wont have time to do all of these things, but you can probably do 3 and become really good at them.

Have pursuits, interests, skills, achievements. You will not even have to reveal this. It will be self evident in the social circles you are in and in the confidence that you have.

I view skills the same way I view investments. Best to diversify

 

[B80]

Yes, I agree with this.

If you can become wealthy, go get it.

Best of all- become wealthy and DYNAMIC. Speak another language or two. Be well read. Be an exceptional tennis player. Examples are endless of course. You wont have time to do all of these things, but you can probably do 3 and become really good at them.

Have pursuits, interests, skills, achievements. You will not even have to reveal this. It will be self evident in the social circles you are in and in the confidence that you have.

I view skills the same way I view investments. Best to diversify

Yes although can be tough to become wealthy, 'successful' and do all of those things. At least in initial phases, when younger. Generally takes a lot of time, dedication to achieve, not just typical 40 hour work week.

Only 24 hours in a day so to get a business going along with having any half decent social life, dating, plus learning new languages and other hobbies is unlikely. Most who do it are usually laser focused on their business, like I say, at least during earlier years of the ventures.

 

[Stoic]

Yes although can be tough to become wealthy, 'successful' and do all of those things. At least in initial phases, when younger. Generally takes a lot of time, dedication to achieve, not just typical 40 hour work week.

Only 24 hours in a day so to get a business going along with having any half decent social life, dating, plus learning new languages and other hobbies is unlikely. Most who do it are usually laser focused on their business, like I say, at least during earlier years of the ventures.

Definitely does take time and commitment.

For me personally, I have been able to juggle three things and do them all at a high level. The things outside of that admittedly tend to suffer. When I try to achieve excellence in anything beyond that in a given time period, it just does not work.

Related- I highly recommend the book The 12 Week Year.

Currently, I have committed and had success:

1. Playing tennis at a high level.
2. Speaking C1 Spanish. (High B2 Level now, but fluid)
3. Earning $X per week in business.

I have put women on the back burner. But, they still come and seem to fit into my schedule.

 

[B80]

Definitely does take time and commitment.

For me personally, I have been able to juggle three things and do them all at a high level. The things outside of that admittedly tend to suffer. When I try to achieve excellence in anything beyond that in a given time period, it just does not work.

Related- I highly recommend the book The 12 Week Year.

Currently, I have committed and had success:

1. Playing tennis at a high level.
2. Speaking C1 Spanish. (High B2 Level now, but fluid)
3. Earning $X per week in business.

I have put women on the back burner. But, they still come and seem to fit into my schedule.

good work mate, sound like you're doing well.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

yeah if you’re in your 30s and not financially well off most girls will think ‘what’s wrong with this guy? Why doesn’t he have money? does he chase women all day?’

your smv as a man peaks in 30s-40s PROVIDED you are ACTUALLY high value.
Women like older men, because older men are rich. Yes, your wealth is a major key in what drives women to sleep with you.
and, before everyone screams ‘beta!’… it’s not betabuxx if she’s sleeping with you within 3 dates , you haven’t spent more than an average man would on the dates , and she’s being all sexy and feminine for you, and you’re tapping that azz without her asking to commit…
a middle class guy can be betabuxx, as can a poor man (in fact most women settle down with average income beta providers…NOT rich men). A rich man can be alphaf*cks. It’s all about how she’s acting around you (does she hold the frame or you) and how pleasurable she finds sleeping with you.

want proof? Christian grey or Mr. Big in s3x and the city. Both rich men that women wanted to bang and be submissive for

as a general rule, the hotter the girl, the more she cares about your income and less about your game. 6 figures is the bench mark to consistently pull hotties - if you’ve got confidence/flair, good convo and style you’ll be a sex symbol. If you’re middle class/doing well and want to consistently bang hotties, the solution isn’t game, the solution is becoming upper class/rich or at least appearing like you have the potential for it. Middle class isn’t sexy. It’s about lifestyle above all else. Conveying a rich lifestyle - playing tennis on a Wednesday afternoon, taking fancy trips etc. women are wired to think long term when having sex, so a man with money is a great long term prospect (the jackpot)…groupies were throwing themselves at Rollo when he was in a band because those women believed he could one day become a superstar millionaire…


Most 30 year old PUA’s actually struggle with women because those men clearly have no money or prospects. It’s pretty funny how some PUA’s like TylerRSD end up becoming multi-millionaires and convince naive men how ‘their game’ is the sole reason they are banging hotties and not their $2 million house in LA

from ABBA to Gwen stefani there are way more songs about women wanting to bang rich men than ‘men with game’.
Like there’s actual studies out there showing how educated STEM women find it impossible to date (because they are hard wired to be attracted to men richer than them and the pool of bachelors earning more than them is so small). Game can’t override basic biology.

 

[metalwater]

yeah if you’re in your 30s and not financially well off most girls will think ‘what’s wrong with this guy? Why doesn’t he have money? does he chase women all day?’

your smv as a man peaks in 30s-40s PROVIDED you are ACTUALLY high value.
Women like older men, because older men are rich. Yes, your wealth is a major key in what drives women to sleep with you.
and, before everyone screams ‘beta!’… it’s not betabuxx if she’s sleeping with you within 3 dates , you haven’t spent more than an average man would on the dates , and she’s being all sexy and feminine for you, and you’re tapping that azz without her asking to commit…
a middle class guy can be betabuxx, as can a poor man (in fact most women settle down with average income beta providers…NOT rich men). A rich man can be alphaf*cks. It’s all about how she’s acting around you (does she hold the frame or you) and how pleasurable she finds sleeping with you.

want proof? Christian grey or Mr. Big in s3x and the city. Both rich men that women wanted to bang and be submissive for

as a general rule, the hotter the girl, the more she cares about your income and less about your game. 6 figures is the bench mark to consistently pull hotties - if you’ve got confidence/flair, good convo and style you’ll be a sex symbol. If you’re middle class/doing well and want to consistently bang hotties, the solution isn’t game, the solution is becoming upper class/rich or at least appearing like you have the potential for it. Middle class isn’t sexy. It’s about lifestyle above all else. Conveying a rich lifestyle - playing tennis on a Wednesday afternoon, taking fancy trips etc. women are wired to think long term when having sex, so a man with money is a great long term prospect (the jackpot)…groupies were throwing themselves at Rollo when he was in a band because those women believed he could one day become a superstar millionaire…


Most 30 year old PUA’s actually struggle with women because those men clearly have no money or prospects. It’s pretty funny how some PUA’s like TylerRSD end up becoming multi-millionaires and convince naive men how ‘their game’ is the sole reason they are banging hotties and not their $2 million house in LA

from ABBA to Gwen stefani there are way more songs about women wanting to bang rich men than ‘men with game’.
Like there’s actual studies out there showing how educated STEM women find it impossible to date (because they are hard wired to be attracted to men richer than them and the pool of bachelors earning more than them is so small). Game can’t override basic biology.

don't forget the pool boy