Mask/Vaccine mandates being lifted. Hmmm...

[DonJuanjr]

Each person makes the to vax or not vax decision based on their own personal health judgement and preferences.…

Ultimately yes... But this doesn't stop those that do get it from chastising others for not getting it. You know, for "public health". Otherwise why would they care? Which goes back to my statement of, why should I care about public health, if the public doesn't care about their health?

 

[RickTheToad]

No. Your claim that vaccinated are more likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated is wrong.

Never said that at all, but cool story dude.

 

[RickTheToad]

That misses the point. It's not about eliminating the virus, but making things in such a way that it does not overwhelm the health care system and ICU beds. To say the vaccines are not effecting this is not real. You would have at least DOUBLE the hospital admissions of vaccinated people if they were all unvaccinated. You don't see that higher number saved as you can only see absolute numbers rather than whether it's proportionate or not.

Of course, Omnicron is pushing people who have underlying medical issues over the edge who are vaxxed. But it's a bad disqualifier since you are not comparing it with how man otherwise healthy patients who are unvaxxed are there.

We're at the same or near the same levels of admissions at St. Vincent's MC as when the pandemic started. So, considering I'm actually here in the ER, it's pretty safe to say I'd know the difference dude.

 

[corrector]

We're at the same or near the same levels of admissions at St. Vincent's MC as when the pandemic started. So, considering I'm actually here in the ER, it's pretty safe to say I'd know the difference dude.

Its a different virus than when the pandemic started. You know that omnicron is ultra transmissive. In fact if the original strain was as transmissable then it would not be double, but probably 16 times as many "hypothetically unvaccinated-vaccinated" patients as you do now in the hospital (ICUs would be staggeringly higher than that). People would be dying in the streets.

Also, by your own admission its mainly older vaccinated patients with comorbidities. Can you really say that make up has always been like that with the original strain or delta while the vaccines were rolling out and yonger people were still ineligible?

 

[Billtx49]

First msm breakdown I’ve read about concerning current Omicron / hospital operational status:

COVID-19: Nearly half of virus hospitalizations in Massachusetts are for other issues — Fox News

Massachusetts’ Department of Public Health on Thursday—for the first time—made a distinction between COVID-19 patients hospitalized with “primary” and “incidental" cases.

apple.news

 

[corrector]

First msm breakdown I’ve read about concerning current Omicron / hospital operational status:

COVID-19: Nearly half of virus hospitalizations in Massachusetts are for other issues — Fox News

Massachusetts’ Department of Public Health on Thursday—for the first time—made a distinction between COVID-19 patients hospitalized with “primary” and “incidental" cases.

apple.news

Even if its a secondary cause, having the virus could have pushed someone over the edge so in a sense the virus is always suspect.

 

[RickTheToad]

Its a different virus than when the pandemic started. You know that omnicron is ultra transmissive. In fact if the original strain was as transmissable then it would not be double, but probably 16 times as many "hypothetically unvaccinated-vaccinated" patients as you do now in the hospital (ICUs would be staggeringly higher than that). People would be dying in the streets.

Also, by your own admission its mainly older vaccinated patients with comorbidities. Can you really say that make up has always been like that with the original strain or delta while the vaccines were rolling out and yonger people were still ineligible?

If you want to believe that, that's on you. The virus's basic structure is the same, but it modified it's genetic code to evade this amazing "vaccine" to protect itself. So, every time a person receives a booster, the virus which they transmit has been modified, but weaker to evade said "vaccine". So, as any epidemiologist would tell you, it will mutate itself out and just become a influenza / common cold varient. The time frame for this is approx. 2.5 years. Hmm, let's check history for a moment. Well, would you look at that, all previous pandemics caused by viruses in modern times ended within 22 - 28 months. Hmm...

 

[HaleyBaron]

Yes there is a possibility, you are right. But you can't draw that conclusion until you've done the research. Otherwise you're stuck with the fallacy of small numbers. Say you poll 10 people and find they are all like you - unvaxxed, unmasked, uninfected. This is remarkable but not significant. You would need to research something more like 1,000 or 10,000 people to start to see percentages that matter. Just like you can flip a coin 10 times and get heads 9 times. But if you flip it 1,000 times the outcome will be more like 50/50.

To illustrate in Sosuave terms, imagine if I went to the main forum and said "I know five men who are married, not one has been divorced. So what do you think of marriage NOW?" I don't think a lot of men here would feel that marriage is a safe bet just because of five people.

The conclusion happens quickly because the current narrative is that there's no other option against covid. But if someone like myself have yet to get sick despite all the warning, it means there exists another option. The conclusion is drawn right away that whatever I am doing is working and whatever they say is not holding up. Which means there's others like me, because I'm not the only lucky guy in the world who didn't get sick. My conclusion becomes that the news does not speak of people like myself, either cause of naivety or malicious intentions. Research was fast and quick.

 

[Bokanovsky]

If you want to believe that, that's on you. The virus's basic structure is the same, but it modified it's genetic code to evade this amazing "vaccine" to protect itself. So, every time a person receives a booster, the virus which they transmit has been modified, but weaker to evade said "vaccine". So, as any epidemiologist would tell you, it will mutate itself out and just become a influenza / common cold varient. The time frame for this is approx. 2.5 years. Hmm, let's check history for a moment. Well, would you look at that, all previous pandemics caused by viruses in modern times ended within 22 - 28 months. Hmm...

It's amazing how much stupidity could be avoided if people would just study history. What we are seeing with COVID today is exactly what happened with the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. And even though they didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu back then, the virus still mutated into weaker strains until it became a "regular" influenza variant through the process of natural selection (a weaker virus that doesn't kill the host has a higher chance of reproductive success).

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's amazing how much stupidity could be avoided if people would just study history. What we are seeing with COVID today is exactly what happened with the Spanish Flu 100 years ago. And even though they didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu back then, the virus still mutated into weaker strains until it became a "regular" influenza variant through the process of natural selection (a weaker virus that doesn't kill the host has a higher chance of reproductive success).

No one is arguing against this. The policies are to protect the hospital system, thus preventing millions of senseless deaths.

 

[Black Widow Void]

Don’t be snarky. You are acting like a woman.

This is irony at its best. Of any form member, EyeBrollin has been accused of being a female masquerading as a male more than any other.

 

[corrector]

If you want to believe that, that's on you. The virus's basic structure is the same, but it modified it's genetic code to evade this amazing "vaccine" to protect itself. So, every time a person receives a booster, the virus which they transmit has been modified, but weaker to evade said "vaccine". So, as any epidemiologist would tell you, it will mutate itself out and just become a influenza / common cold varient. The time frame for this is approx. 2.5 years. Hmm, let's check history for a moment. Well, would you look at that, all previous pandemics caused by viruses in modern times ended within 22 - 28 months. Hmm...

So what. What is your point? That does not address anything I just posted but sounds like you are parroting some points from an antivaxx site.

 

[lost_blackbird]

In the UK one can make oneself exempt from mask wearing purely by saying so, I spent £2.50 on
a small credit card sized card saying I'm exempt

Hidden Disability’s, - Exemption Card - Top Quality PVC | eBay

Exemption Card - Top Quality PVC.

www.ebay.co.uk

and got a sunflower lanyard issued to me at work (they don't know I'm autistic BTW, I'm a black belt at masking
no pun intended) because all you need to be exempt at my place of work work is to wear a pair of glasses which
I do for reading, necessary for me to see the AMT (Arm Mounted Terminal) I get my work assignments through.
I work in a refrigerated warehouse and wearing a mask and glasses results in some quite dangerous
misting issues which when combined with the daily use of forklift style MHE (manual handling equipment)
and RPT (ride-on pallet truck) machines which I use for my job. You are asking for BIG trouble if the operators cannot
see as there are well over 100 people on shift at any time and the trucks we use weigh a LOT and are quite hard
to stop in a hurry. Literally a possibly fatal accident waiting to happen. I wear my work lanyard all the time with a
card holder hanging from it which doubles as my wallet where my Ebay badge is visible in the clear section.

This is enough to keep the mask zealots at bay and allows me to enter shops and public transport (I only get
the odd Uber every now and then). Yes, I've had covid, it was sh1t but somehow unvaccinated old me
survived with a bit of time off work (on full pay) and a few paracetamol tablets and am back to my old self.
It is against the law here to even ask me what my disability is and actually autism is one of the conditions that
makes one exempt from vaccination anyway so I'm covered either way.

 

[HaleyBaron]

For hilarity, here are some things back in the olden days. See similarities with the newspaper compared to now? Remember when they said that blacks are the most contagious and most likely be sick? Funny how it resonates exactly with the same sentiments of over a century ago. Shows that one side of the aisle never changed their views. They used the same tactics then they do now. Even down to the anti-mask shaming. More you know.

 

[corrector]

New study suggests cannabis could prevent COVID-19 infections

But smoking marijuana isn't going to protect people.

www.newshub.co.nz

 

[Kotaix]

The real problem that the current administration has is that their people are beyond incompetent. They are losing votes because they've failed utterly in every aspect other than being fascists.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The real problem that the current administration has is that their people are beyond incompetent. They are losing votes because they've failed utterly in every aspect other than being fascists.

No. Regarding COVID-19 this is just wrong. Every person living in the USA has access to the COVID-19 vaccines, at home tests, and masks. The latter two are free of charge. It is not the current government’s fault that 1/3 of Americans still think COVID-19 is a hoax.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Point taken. Then some possibilities include:

1) You're lucky and have avoided it
2) You did catch it and were asymptomatic; may or may not have spread it
3) You have better than average resistance to it

Similarly, I haven't caught it either (that I know), but I can't say 100% that it's because of the vax or masks. I can say the vaccine diminished my chances significantly. Masks, maybe a tiny bit, but I buy cheap ones. We've all gotta do what works best for us. I wouldn't waste too much thought on the media or politicians - they are idiots.

All I can say is that all my friends who took the vaccine around me while knowing I did not are likely pissed off. Especially since the same friends ended up getting sick again anyway. So eventually, either a lightbulb will go up in their head or they're going to kill me for being against what they thought was true.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Federal judge in Texas blocks Biden’s vaccine mandate for federal workers

A federal judge in Texas on Friday blocked President Biden’s mandate for federal workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 in the latest blow to the White House’s vaccination efforts.Ju…

thehill.com

another one falls.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

No. Your claim that vaccinated are more likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated is wrong.

No one is arguing against this. The policies are to protect the hospital system, thus preventing millions of senseless deaths.

No. Regarding COVID-19 this is just wrong. Every person living in the USA has access to the COVID-19 vaccines, at home tests, and masks. The latter two are free of charge. It is not the current government’s fault that 1/3 of Americans still think COVID-19 is a hoax.

In the spirit of free and open debate, may I present Eye's hat trick of 3 posts on the same page starting with the word "No"

Is this your favorite word, Eye?