Money>Muscle. Money will take you farther in life than Muscle.

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I agree that money > muscle. Big muscles are awesome.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and persona. If you have a lot of money and some accompanying status, you will manage to get laid if minimal looks and persona. Think Bill Gates. You might need more money to do it. If you have big muscles and are broke, you'll need some personality to close to deal.
 

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Agree with you OP. 45 years old or 40 till 50 is the power years for men. You are flying into it now, remember to save and invest so that 60 will be just as cool. When you get to 60 it's likely you will not be able to keep up and may not want to, but will still want to have fun.

What your talking about is the front door for women and money>status (and not weird looking) together with enough game to not choke will get you more women than you want.

Mucels>style>game(attitudes and frames) will get you in the back door. Basically guy number 2 for the same girl.

money is definitely a part of the games.
 

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Money sure didn't help Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos find quality women.
Do we really know what they do on the side though? They could use high end escorts abroad for all we know.

If I was Bezos that would be the best way to go to avoid divorce rape. Because who cares if the press outed you and made fun of you for using escorts. People are not going to quit buying sh*t on Amazon because Bezos uses hookers. Just like people won't stop buying PCs if Gates was caught with them and shamed.

To be fair with Bezos he met his wife before Amazon started so you can't really blame him for divorce rape there. Although Bezos already came from a wealthy family and background. I recall his parents gave him $300,000 to startup Amazon in the mid 90s which in todays money is quite a lot to just loan your kid.
 

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To paraphrase an old Boomer saying:
Money will get you through times of no muscle, better than muscle will get you through times of no money.
 

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Money sure didn't help Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos find quality women.
Money sure didn't help Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos find quality women.
We really have little idea as to what happened in their marriages or if they were quality women or not. These examples don't negate anything that has been said in this thread.
 

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Why settle for one over the other? Strive to be wealthy both financially AND physically.
Definitely.

For most men, if you plan out your day, you effectively have 16 hours where you are not sleeping.

But, whenever I have time constraints, I am starting to always choose Money over hitting the gym because there is a better roi. Not just women but my life in general.
 

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Money sure didn't help Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos find quality women.
Bill Gates used money and status to get laid with and commit to a mediocre to subpar looking careerist woman. At the time they met, he was the CEO of Microsoft and she was a new MBA from Duke University (top tier, competitive MBA program) working as a Product Manager.

If Bill Gates had anything going for him besides money and status, he would have gotten some pretty, non-careerist woman.
 
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Women don’t give a flying shvt about muscles. I thought this pua scam was debunked a while back.
 

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How do you display money, OP? What’s a good way without looking try hard?

I would def agree money > muscles. Generally speaking, a man with money has less stress about mundane things (eg can I afford this sandwich), higher self esteem/pride/ego, social mobility and a sense of freedom. All things girls screen for heavy on dates. Money also gives men a sense of entitlement.

The being said, attraction cannot be negotiated. It’s the overall aura of money which helps, but directly flexing money to attract women will always make you look beta.

Muscles takes so much effort and has very little reward. You just need to be in good enough shape that a girl isn’t turned off when you’re naked.
 

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How do you display money, OP? What’s a good way without looking try hard?
Its a fine line man. But you can low key display it. It shows up in your lifestyle and in your interests. My interests and my professional goals and the way I pursue them is what sets me apart from other men. This is not bragging, its just me doing whatever I can to gain a significant advantage in the dating market. It's me just angling a way in with women when my looks alone, frankly, will not get me top notch women.

I am not really ostentatious about it. It's more of a life style thing that I low key 'sell'. It usually shows up in the form of me just being busy doing things a little out of the ordinary. Money just allows me to do more interesting things than the average person. I'm just playing the cards I was dealt. I was not blessed with above average height (Im 5'10). I was not blessed with far above average looks (I am bald, my head is shaved, lol). I cannot compete well with men that are 8's in 9's based on looks. Where I choose to compete is lifestyle and my interests. I have a good attitude and a positive mindset. You will not hear me complaining, ever (or hardly ever at least). I have a FAR above average work ethic than others. There are very few people that work harder or that are more ambitious than me. My friends playfully make fun of me, but at the same time admire me for it. They joke and kid and say that I am 'Extra'. If they are playing tennis a couple times a week, I will be playing every morning and will take a trip to Florida for intensive instruction for a long weekend. If I am playing volleyball, I am conceding no points.

Here are some examples- when I am at the gym, I have a trainer training me. When I play tennis, I am getting professional lessons to improve because I genuinely want to get better and dominate my friends. Or I am shooting trap. There are cheaper hobbies than tennis and trap shooting. I am just getting my slight, but very distinct edge on other men in everything I do in this manner. When I cannot meet up with a date at a certain time, its because I am playing tennis, a cleaner is still cleaning my place, my car is being detailed, or I am going to a motorcyle show.

I get Spanish lessons every day. Why? Because I am taking a trip to Mexico City next week (which I am) and want to speak it fluently to navigate the city and experience the culture. Or I will be in Puerto Rico for work in a month (which I will be). I never say at first where I am going. I just say I will be out of town for the week. Of course, they ask why, where are you going? I let them uncover it.

Or if its through online dating. A girl will send me a current picture of what she's doing or we will video chat. I'll send her one back and I'll be in a high end vehicle. A couple days later, and I will return a picture in a different vehicle- the one I drive for work with a completely different interior. Is it Tacky? Probably at least a little bit. I think so, lol. Does it work? YES.
 

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Its a fine line man. But you can low key display it. It shows up in your lifestyle and in your interests. My interests and my professional goals and the way I pursue them is what sets me apart from other men. This is not bragging, its just me doing whatever I can to gain a significant advantage in the dating market. It's me just angling a way in with women when my looks alone, frankly, will not get me top notch women.

I am not really ostentatious about it. It's more of a life style thing that I low key 'sell'. It usually shows up in the form of me just being busy doing things a little out of the ordinary. Money just allows me to do more interesting things than the average person. I'm just playing the cards I was dealt. I was not blessed with above average height (Im 5'10). I was not blessed with far above average looks (I am bald, my head is shaved, lol). I cannot compete well with men that are 8's in 9's based on looks. Where I choose to compete is lifestyle and my interests. I have a good attitude and a positive mindset. You will not hear me complaining, ever (or hardly ever at least). I have a FAR above average work ethic than others. There are very few people that work harder or that are more ambitious than me. My friends playfully make fun of me, but at the same time admire me for it. They joke and kid and say that I am 'Extra'. If they are playing tennis a couple times a week, I will be playing every morning and will take a trip to Florida for intensive instruction for a long weekend. If I am playing volleyball, I am conceding no points.

Here are some examples- when I am at the gym, I have a trainer training me. When I play tennis, I am getting professional lessons to improve because I genuinely want to get better and dominate my friends. Or I am shooting trap. There are cheaper hobbies than tennis and trap shooting. I am just getting my slight, but very distinct edge on other men in everything I do in this manner. When I cannot meet up with a date at a certain time, its because I am playing tennis, a cleaner is still cleaning my place, my car is being detailed, or I am going to a motorcyle show.

I get Spanish lessons every day. Why? Because I am taking a trip to Mexico City next week (which I am) and want to speak it fluently to navigate the city and experience the culture. Or I will be in Puerto Rico for work in a month (which I will be). I never say at first where I am going. I just say I will be out of town for the week. Of course, they ask why, where are you going? I let them uncover it.

Or if its through online dating. A girl will send me a current picture of what she's doing or we will video chat. I'll send her one back and I'll be in a high end vehicle. A couple days later, and I will return a picture in a different vehicle- the one I drive for work with a completely different interior. Is it Tacky? Probably at least a little bit. I think so, lol. Does it work? YES.
Agreed 100
 

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I disagree

Out of the three main pillars of masculinity : Game, Looks, Money.

I would say goes in the order of Game > Looks > Money.

if it weren’t that case, you wouldn’t have a whole slew of women who bang Chads on the side while having rich boyfriends/Husbands/ Sugar Daddy support them.

You could get women with flexing your money, but their love for you won’t be as much as if you owned their soul with your game.

It’s the rare male that possesses all three components who ends up slaying everything.
 

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Jeff Bezos
Why settle for one over the other? Strive to be wealthy both financially AND physically.
I think bezos is a better example than gates because bezos has money AND muscles. Yet he went from one 40+ year old medicore chick to another 40+ year old medicore chick.

From that meme that was posted about the way Bezos's chick looked at DiCaprio. Bezos is both richer and stronger than DiCaprio. Yet:

Useless if the girl doesn't like you.

which puts looks ahead of game.
 
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False choice. Do both. Muscle helps a lot with making money. Other men get a first impression of you based on physique alone.
I agree. Por que no los dos? Life gets really good when you have both
 

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I agree. Por que no los dos? Life gets really good when you have both
Por supuesto. Se este. Puedes tener ambos. Pero si paseas horas en la gimnasio, es no posible que ganas mucho dinero. Es necesario enfocado majoria tu tiempo en negocio.
 

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In my area of the UK money and social status is pretty easily faked and chicks do settle for it

There's not many 9's or 10's around here but plenty of dolled up 7's and 8's who will happily open their legs for the passenger seat of a bmw or merc on finance , a couple of expensive dinner dates , some fake designer gear and maybe bottle service in a club

They know the seriously successful guys are well out of their reach so settle for the image

Much like men enjoy showing their sexy / beautiful women off to other men

Women like showing off their wealthy / powerful man to other women

As a man you gotta be careful playing this game though because if you start flexing wealth and power loudly your going to start attracting some real nasty girls , the types of girls that will really fvck your life up

Imo if your a successful guy with money you'll have a lot more options but the caveat is your also going to have to screen very very hard you can't just go screwing every 7/8/9 that comes along because it will bite you in the a$$
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