Money>Muscle. Money will take you farther in life than Muscle.

[Stoic]

I realize this is not an earth shattering revelation, but I think men should take heed of it.

Thoughts on where a man may want to prioritize his time. Cliff notes version- Money>Looks. This isn't an original idea, but I don't know if guys on this forum pay enough attention to it. I here more men on this site talk about muscles then I do on their money and status. But, I think this should be flipped if men want to enjoy ultimate freedom and when they do spend time with women, spend it with the highest quality women they can.

Personal Anectdote:

I am 38 now, always been in good physical shape. Generally would get women in the 6-7.5 range. The rare 8 from time to time when a woman would get to know me better. But, I never had a great hook to attract women as my looks are maybe a 7(?).


I have always handled my finances well, but was more modest with my lifestyle and spending.I have always worked hard in my profession, but over the last 18 months or so, I have earned a far above average income and work above average hours. .But, Over the last 18 months, I have finally began to really enjoy some of the money I have earned on some luxuries- nice car, nice motorcycles, foreign travel, daily language tutors, house cleaners. Everything is paid in cash and nothing is out of line or foolish in my opinion. I think I'm being honest with myself that I did most of this for myself. I wanted it for me. I'm sure there was some ego and I wanted the status symbol at some level (and I know this isn't good) for all of this stuff. But, I do really enjoy nice things for their own sake. I like driving a high performance car whether people see me in it or not. I love driving motorcycles.

I realize this is not earth shattering, but it has been instructive and reinforced an idea that I have always had. But, now I am seeing it first hand. Women are far- the majority of them- are far more attracted to money/status then they are to muscles/looks. I am slightly above average looks, maybe a 7. But, since I have 'displayed' money/status, far better/higher quality women have been hooked to me. As in, the money/status seems to give me an in. And then the woman gets to know me and sees I am a decent person. Whereas before, I did not have a tremendous hook. As my appearance is only slightly above average and in most environments, I will not be the most physcially attractive person there.

This is easy to see in day to day life. Body builders generally are not the ones walking around with eye candy girls or trophy wives. Wealthy, successful men do (almost) irregardless of their looks/age. Ultra wealthy men can get away with even far below average looks (ie Hugh Heffner, and many other examples).

I could have made this post shorter. Money/Status carries more weight with women then muscles. Or Money>Muscles.

 

[Bokanovsky]

First, you shouldn't confuse "muscles" with "looks".

Muscles to looks are what color is to a car. A bright red Honda Civic does not look nearly as impressive as a bright red Ferrari. Looks are, first and foremost, a combination of facial features, height, posture, hair and being in shape (i.e. not being fat). Muscles are FAR less important than any of the above.

Second, I would agree that money is way more important than muscles but I wouldn't say that it's more important than looks. It depends on the girl. Also, there is an interplay between the two. For example, a guy who is a 2 (i.e. Harvey Weinstein tier) but is a multi-millionaire would be less attractive to most women than a guy who is an 8 but has an average job. However, a guy who is a 6 or 7 and is also a multi-millionaire would be more attractive than an 8 with a 9-5 job.

 

[zinc4]

I realize this is not an earth shattering revelation, but I think men should take heed of it.

Thoughts on where a man may want to prioritize his time. Cliff notes version- Money>Looks. This isn't an original idea, but I don't know if guys on this forum pay enough attention to it. I here more men on this site talk about muscles then I do on their money and status. But, I think this should be flipped if men want to enjoy ultimate freedom and when they do spend time with women, spend it with the highest quality women they can.

Personal Anectdote:

I am 38 now, always been in good physical shape. Generally would get women in the 6-7.5 range. The rare 8 from time to time when a woman would get to know me better. But, I never had a great hook to attract women as my looks are maybe a 7(?).


I have always handled my finances well, but was more modest with my lifestyle and spending.I have always worked hard in my profession, but over the last 18 months or so, I have earned a far above average income and work above average hours. .But, Over the last 18 months, I have finally began to really enjoy some of the money I have earned on some luxuries- nice car, nice motorcycles, foreign travel, daily language tutors, house cleaners. Everything is paid in cash and nothing is out of line or foolish in my opinion. I think I'm being honest with myself that I did most of this for myself. I wanted it for me. I'm sure there was some ego and I wanted the status symbol at some level (and I know this isn't good) for all of this stuff. But, I do really enjoy nice things for their own sake. I like driving a high performance car whether people see me in it or not. I love driving motorcycles.

I realize this is not earth shattering, but it has been instructive and reinforced an idea that I have always had. But, now I am seeing it first hand. Women are far- the majority of them- are far more attracted to money/status then they are to muscles/looks. I am slightly above average looks, maybe a 7. But, since I have 'displayed' money/status, far better/higher quality women have been hooked to me. As in, the money/status seems to give me an in. And then the woman gets to know me and sees I am a decent person. Whereas before, I did not have a tremendous hook. As my appearance is only slightly above average and in most environments, I will not be the most physcially attractive person there.

This is easy to see in day to day life. Body builders generally are not the ones walking around with eye candy girls or trophy wives. Wealthy, successful men do (almost) irregardless of their looks/age. Ultra wealthy men can get away with even far below average looks (ie Hugh Heffner, and many other examples).

I could have made this post shorter. Money/Status carries more weight with women then muscles. Or Money>Muscles.

In this world money and status are king. That's just how it is. Would you rather be the broke pool boy chad in your 30s and 40s banging lonely milfs or would you rather be the guy with multiple houses, cars, ability to travel on a whim and having multiple mistresses around the globe? Its no contest. And yes money does make a lot of women wet. That's just a fact.

 

[Bingo-Player]

In my area of the UK money and social status is pretty easily faked and chicks do settle for it

There's not many 9's or 10's around here but plenty of dolled up 7's and 8's who will happily open their legs for the passenger seat of a bmw or merc on finance , a couple of expensive dinner dates , some fake designer gear and maybe bottle service in a club

They know the seriously successful guys are well out of their reach so settle for the image

Much like men enjoy showing their sexy / beautiful women off to other men

Women like showing off their wealthy / powerful man to other women

As a man you gotta be careful playing this game though because if you start flexing wealth and power loudly your going to start attracting some real nasty girls , the types of girls that will really fvck your life up

Imo if your a successful guy with money you'll have a lot more options but the caveat is your also going to have to screen very very hard you can't just go screwing every 7/8/9 that comes along because it will bite you in the a$$

 

[Serenity]

A bright red Honda Civic does not look nearly as impressive as a bright red Ferrari.

I find this analogy funny because a Ferrari is literally a car with way more muscle.

But yeah, looks is more than just muscles, although muscles can do a lot to improve looks on someone who has none. I think muscles have diminishing returns at some point and going extreme might even have negative returns. A guy doesn't need to be swole af and I think being a normally fit guy gives the largest selection pool.

 

[biggoal]

Money means a lot! Here in FL womwn are gold diggers and you see lots of younger women with older guys or middle aged chubby bald guys with money.

As long as you're not a total slob money will get you places. Us men go based on primarily looks but women dont operate as looks based as we do.

 

[Stoic]

First, you shouldn't confuse "muscles" with "looks".

Muscles to looks are what color is to a car. A bright red Honda Civic does not look nearly as impressive as a bright red Ferrari. Looks are, first and foremost, a combination of facial features, height, posture, hair and being in shape (i.e. not being fat). Muscles are FAR less important than any of the above.

Second, I would agree that money is way more important than muscles but I wouldn't say that it's more important than looks. It depends on the girl. Also, there is an interplay between the two. For example, a guy who is a 2 (i.e. Harvey Weinstein tier) but is a multi-millionaire would be less attractive to most women than a guy who is an 8 but has an average job. However, a guy who is a 6 or 7 and is also a multi-millionaire would be more attractive than an 8 with a 9-5 job.

Good point.

I say muscles. Because this is something we can improve, like our financial situation. Outside of that, height, general facial characteristics are generally predetermined. Yes, we can make some alterations, nose job, botox.

And we can dress better. These will make big returns. Looks should not be ignored.

Look your best. Make as much money as you can while keeping your sanity and work on your mindset.

I think it of a pyramid with three items, kind of like the old food pyramid chart.

Spend most of your time on making money.
Next, spend time on improving your mindset (and behavior). Always carrying a winning, stoic mindset will take men far. This can be improved by reading, yoga, meditation, whatever.
Third, work on your looks (ie muscle)

The three M's always- Money, Mindset, Muscles.

 

[Stoic]

I find this analogy funny because a Ferrari is literally a car with way more muscle.

But yeah, looks is more than just muscles, although muscles can do a lot to improve looks on someone who has none. I think muscles have diminishing returns at some point and going extreme might even have negative returns. A guy doesn't need to be swole af and I think being a normally fit guy gives the largest selection pool.

Yes building muscle do have diminishing returns. I see guys in the gym that its obvious that they spend an insane amount of time there. How are you building your empire or cultivating a sound mind if you spend hours upon hours at the gym?

 

[Stoic]

Money can and will attract gold diggers.

No question.

However, a man should be able to fairly easily sniff this out pretty early.

BUT, quality women are also attracted to money and status. They cannot be blamed for that. That is not a character flaw. That is their biology at work. Men should take advantage of this to the best of their ability while always maintaining their sanity.

 

[Stoic]

Another thought.

When I was 18, I remember thinking women must look at men like we do them.

I just want a hot, sexy female. They must want the same.

Not quite.

They view money/status like men do with a woman who has a great pair of tits1 or ass.

 

[zinc4]

Yes building muscles do have a diminishing returns. I see guys in the gym that its obvious that they spend an insane amount of time there. How are you building your empire or cultivating a sound mind if you spend hours upon hours at the gym?

I used to be a gym rat. It's addicting the more you try to improve your bench/squat/clean/dead lift numbers and ect. It is definitely very time consuming, especially when you combine cardio with it.

You can spend about two hours daily doing it and still focus on your financial life as well depending on your job imo.

 

[Stoic]

I used to be a gym rat. It's addicting the more you try to improve your bench/squat/clean/dead lift numbers and ect. It is definitely very time consuming. You can spend about two hours daily doing it and still focus on your financial life as well depending on your job imo.

I was too and still work out everyday. So I am not knocking the gym. There are worse ways to spend your time for sure.

However, If I could do it again, I would have spent more of it in my early 20's building wealth then trying to put on more muscle.

 

[EyeBRollin]

False choice. Do both. Muscle helps a lot with making money. Other men get a first impression of you based on physique alone.

 

[Velasco]

Looks are, first and foremost, a combination of facial features, height, posture, hair and being in shape (i.e. not being fat). Muscles are FAR less important than any of the above.

It's this right here. This is the BlackPill. It's the same as our attraction for girls. Combination of facial features, height (I like petite girls some like tall girls), hair, and being in shape (not being fat). Then besides this, it is putting yourself in environments with pretty girls where things can happen. Let's look at both extreme examples presented here to prove my point. Ugly and rich (Harvey Weinstein) Vs handsome and broke (pool boy). Weinstein with all the money and fame he had still had a tough time with girls because he lacked looks (Bokanosky's definition of looks) despite putting himself in environments where things can happen. And the broke pool boy only is putting himself where things can happen with milf. If he puts himself in environments where things can happen with pretty girls, he will fvck pretty girls. Even in his 30s and 40s.

 

[zinc4]

It's this right here. This is the BlackPill. It's the same as our attraction for girls. Combination of facial features, height (I like petite girls some like tall girls), hair, and being in shape (not being fat). Then besides this, it is putting yourself in environments with pretty girls where things can happen. Let's look at both extreme examples presented here to prove my point. Ugly and rich (Harvey Weinstein) Vs handsome and broke (pool boy). Weinstein with all the money and fame he had still had a tough time with girls because he lacked looks (Bokanosky's definition of looks) despite putting himself in environments where things can happen. And the broke pool boy only is putting himself where things can happen with milf. If he puts himself in environments where things can happen with pretty girls, he will fvck pretty girls. Even in his 30s and 40s.

Have you ever been broke? It's terrible man. All the HB9s in the world wouldn't satisfy me if i were broke. I could deal and did deal with it in my 20s but once you get older the worse it gets.

Weinstein is a bad example btw. He is too ugly and old looking. Creepy asf looking too. Im sure he had many women volunteering to sleep with him for roles though.

You still have to take care of yourself and look at least decent if you have money. Old unattractive rich men obviously can only get hardcore gold diggers and high end escorts. Lots of them out there.

 

[Mike32ct]

I agree about money. It’s just that getting fit or even jacked can probably be achieved much faster than money/career/investment/business-maxing.

So it makes sense to get fit first. It’s probably a “lower hanging fruit” as compared to making money.

 

[Stoic]

I agree about money. It’s just that getting fit or even jacked can probably be achieved much faster than money/career/investment/business-maxing.

So it makes sense to get fit first. It’s probably a “lower hanging fruit” as compared to making money.

Completely agree.

And this is what makes men that are well beyond the point of being financially stabile stand out.

There are more men that are in excellent shape than men that have amassed significant assets.

 

[2Rocky]

Rural Version

 

[DonJuanjr]

I am slightly above average looks, maybe a 7. But, since I have 'displayed' money/status, far better/higher quality women have been hooked to me. As in, the money/status seems to give me an in. And then the woman gets to know me and sees I am a decent person.

As opposed to not giving a shjt if you're a decent person if there wasn't an opportunity to have a high lifestyle image?

 

[Stoic]

As opposed to not giving a shjt if you're a decent person if there wasn't an opportunity to have a high lifestyle image?

Correct- I would not get a second look from most top tier woman in the absence of me doing well financially.

It's just the way it is.

Just like I would not give a second look to woman with plain looks even if they were decent people.