Why Do Men have No rights in Marriage/Divorce?

[Zimbabwe]

How did something like this even happen in the first place, why did men allow themselves to be treated like second class citizens in the divorce court?

A man goes to jail if he doesn't pay child support, but a woman can use the payments however she wants and doesn't even need to account for how she spends it. There's literally nothing the man can do.

Most judges and lawyers were men, why did they just sit on the sidelines while their entire was gender screwed over? Eventually it came back to bite them.

 

[metalwater]

How did something like this even happen in the first place, why did men allow themselves to be treated like second class citizens in the divorce court?

A man goes to jail if he doesn't pay child support, but a woman can use the payments however she wants and doesn't even need to account for how she spends it. There's literally nothing the man can do.

Most judges and lawyers were men, why did they just sit on the sidelines while their entire was gender screwed over? Eventually it came back to bite them.

fear of shame. big RP lesson, do not fear shame just deal with or ignore it. it only controls you if you let it. lots of men let it, and those laws are part of the result.

 

[jimwho]

Because humans are flawed "big time". We allow, and vote in complete imbeciles to make laws.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Because we live in a feminine controlled society.

-Augustus-

 

[corrector]

That is why I divorced without having kids. Now I can just complain about being incel rather than divorced rape.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Any woman in the west will tell you they have agency.

Ok, so how can commitment be looked at as both parties having the same levels of commitment when one has agency and one does not? You need to recognize that the men of the old days who tell you to just be a man, those guys are not accounting for agency when they interact with women.

If your married and you both decide to have social media, again, that isnt the same thing, her having social media and you having it are 2 completely different things.

If you are buying into the "I should provide" or "Things should be equal" then you are not taking agency into account in my opinion.

Like how can commitment look the same for both parties when one has agency? It's just silly.

 

[mrskinnypantz]

Because it’s a message

“stop getting married”

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

Well it all started in 1920 when some dumb ass simps decided to give women the right to vote. It's been a slippery slope all downhill since then. #Repeal 19

 

[EyeBRollin]

How did something like this even happen in the first place, why did men allow themselves to be treated like second class citizens in the divorce court?

A man goes to jail if he doesn't pay child support, but a woman can use the payments however she wants and doesn't even need to account for how she spends it. There's literally nothing the man can do.

Most judges and lawyers were men, why did they just sit on the sidelines while their entire was gender screwed over? Eventually it came back to bite them.

Who the fvck told you this?

Divorce law wasn’t pulled out of thin air. It revolves around dissolution of shared marital assets and preserving stability if children are involved. Why would a man with children be absolved of all financial responsibility? Child support is literally the bare minimum.

 

[Kotaix]

How did something like this even happen in the first place, why did men allow themselves to be treated like second class citizens in the divorce court?

A man goes to jail if he doesn't pay child support, but a woman can use the payments however she wants and doesn't even need to account for how she spends it. There's literally nothing the man can do.

Most judges and lawyers were men, why did they just sit on the sidelines while their entire was gender screwed over? Eventually it came back to bite them.

The spirit of the law is fine. Men should pay for their children, otherwise it's a sentence of poverty to the woman and the child.

The problem is the court system. In canada the woman in a divorce can't even tell the judge that she doesn't want alimony, the court will take the man's money regardless of whether the woman needs it, because that's how it works.

Marriage law needs to be reformed, but not now. Not when there is a plague of SJW cultists around.

 

[RickTheToad]

You have two options, play the game or don't. If you want to play the game, you put in some security measures. She balks at any of them, you walk. As with most things in life, its a toss up. However, you can tip it towards your favor from time to time.

 

[Pandora]

Women have no agency. That's why putting women in leadership roles is cruel and unusual.

Women follow whatever the dominant narrative is. That's their survival strategy. They submit to power, no matter who the power is.

Commitment only makes sense if you have legal authority over her. Otherwise you're at the whims of a chaotic and capricious woman.

Facts bro. Women are capricious leaders. My ex gf told me that she recently resigned from a virtually all woman company. She told me that the place was run on emotions and flattery. She said they were not even checking the accounting books. They ran out of money when they should not have. She also said that rules were broken all the time. There were weird irrational drama and cliques. She said it was horrible and she will never do that again.

Most women are leftist and collectivist. They submit to big daddy govt. They submit to power. This is why they got the right to vote. It benefited oligarchs.

 

[Pandora]

How did something like this even happen in the first place, why did men allow themselves to be treated like second class citizens in the divorce court?

A man goes to jail if he doesn't pay child support, but a woman can use the payments however she wants and doesn't even need to account for how she spends it. There's literally nothing the man can do.

Most judges and lawyers were men, why did they just sit on the sidelines while their entire was gender screwed over? Eventually it came back to bite them.

Some believe that nature itself is gynocentric. It is written in the very DNA of humanity. The male has an instinct to sacrifice itself for the female. The XY chromosome is the more expendable one. For example black widows, praying mantis etc.
What we see in society may be a reflection of our gynocentric DNA.

 

[Fruitbat]

fear of shame. big RP lesson, do not fear shame just deal with or ignore it. it only controls you if you let it. lots of men let it, and those laws are part of the result.

Extremely true. Narcissism essentially is a coping mechanism learned early in life to cope with extreme shame. Many of the leading roles in society are filled with narcissists.

I hate to sound like an internet psychologist but it’s true. Oddly, those who are the most socially aggressive in getting their own way, are the weakest when it comes to social trends. Most have a limited value system over and above getting what superficial thing they want, hence they are extremely easily swayed by social trends.

case in point: Go on to LinkedIn and you will see endless insufferable business owners and directors ego stroking. Currently it’s things like trans rights, “he/him” and “being kind” etc which is the in-thing. 20 years ago it was the in thing to be laddish and brash. If the newspapers came out tomorrow and said people need to support the rights for hedgehogs to lodge in your crawl space, it would be selfie time with bread and milk under the floor.

To answer all of this more concisely, they have sold out other men for a crumb of approval. Most have the sort of status which could see them survive a divorce.

it has accelerated recently, the level of insufferable virtue signalling and ego stroking is just getting vomit retchingly intense, it’s everywhere.

I’m counting the days till I can retire with my wife in the Far East and we can avoid all this nonsense. The west is truly and utterly lost, we are rapidly becoming the Soviet Union.
Political pressure, social pressure, losing your job for the wrong opinion.

The only people who I hate more than the architects are the spineless excuses for human beings who herd like cattle for fear of that shame.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

fear of shame. big RP lesson, do not fear shame just deal with or ignore it. it only controls you if you let it. lots of men let it, and those laws are part of the result.

Go even deeper than shame, Mike Tyson is wise as hell

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Shame/honor-based culture is more strong in the East.

The West is more of a Guilt/fear-based culture, mixed with a bit of shame. But it's more guilt/fear-focused.

Thanks for the much needed clarification there

 

[Zimbabwe]

Some believe that nature itself is gynocentric. It is written in the very DNA of humanity. The male has an instinct to sacrifice itself for the female. The XY chromosome is the more expendable one. For example black widows, praying mantis etc.
What we see in society may be a reflection of our gynocentric DNA.

What about bees and ants? Women do all the work while the men just have sèx with the Queen. Or lions, the women do all the hunting while the male lion who sleeps all day gets to eat first.

There is at least one species of Wolf Spider where the male sets up a home territory and the females wander, visiting the males and deciding with whom to mate, then initiating courtship. This is pretty risky, though, because it sometimes happens that the resident male eats the female.

I'm sure we had human societies like this with female leadership in the past, the only one i can think of were the Scythians with Tomyrs as their leader.

 

[metalwater]

All the evidence you need is this - put a woman in charge of your relationship and watch her pvssy dry up.

What is attractive to women (being dominated by a worthy man) cannot be controlled or changed, even by all of this weird trannie/gay social engineering.

All these guys who think that looks/money/status is so important are failing to understand this key area of the female mind. She wants to be ruled by a man that she trusts and respects. Then she can feel safe and protected, while he dominates her.

is a balance. looks/money/status reflects how others will treat you. others' treatment of you is very high on the respect calculator. not so much about increases as decrease if things go bad, but increases also. it's not always directly on the effect of money/status looks maybe... When she sees others defer to you; she is more likely to do so also. Money and status can achieve that. It's not about a silk suit, it's how the others clear a path for you because of it.

 

[metalwater]

Extremely true. Narcissism essentially is a coping mechanism learned early in life to cope with extreme shame. Many of the leading roles in society are filled with narcissists.

I hate to sound like an internet psychologist but it’s true. Oddly, those who are the most socially aggressive in getting their own way, are the weakest when it comes to social trends. Most have a limited value system over and above getting what superficial thing they want, hence they are extremely easily swayed by social trends.

case in point: Go on to LinkedIn and you will see endless insufferable business owners and directors ego stroking. Currently it’s things like trans rights, “he/him” and “being kind” etc which is the in-thing. 20 years ago it was the in thing to be laddish and brash. If the newspapers came out tomorrow and said people need to support the rights for hedgehogs to lodge in your crawl space, it would be selfie time with bread and milk under the floor.

To answer all of this more concisely, they have sold out other men for a crumb of approval. Most have the sort of status which could see them survive a divorce.

it has accelerated recently, the level of insufferable virtue signalling and ego stroking is just getting vomit retchingly intense, it’s everywhere.

I’m counting the days till I can retire with my wife in the Far East and we can avoid all this nonsense. The west is truly and utterly lost, we are rapidly becoming the Soviet Union.
Political pressure, social pressure, losing your job for the wrong opinion.

The only people who I hate more than the architects are the spineless excuses for human beings who herd like cattle for fear of that shame.

I am living your dream already. I started it without RP and it was a disaster, now with RP and some ..... its a wild ride and keeps getting better.

 

[metalwater]

A big redpill is coming to terms with how much Fear, Mystery and Uncertainty turns women on. It's better to be enigmatic lone ranger riding into town on a dark horse.

do you have an example?

not like this... https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/02/kim-jong-un-north-korea-understanding

Does it still work for you if the men in the environment recognize what that man is? I think it works when the men in the environment are also confused about what that lone range is. Why he has to keep moving on is that the men figure him out. But if they already know, he will get blocked. Or like in the movies he has to kill or beat up the local men first, if he can't then he just has to move on without any delay.

agree that women like a puzzle.