Too serious / non-sexual

ChalengeGuyFan

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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.
 

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Too much conversation without escalation equals friendship or turning there interest meter to zero.

Always make a move and it can be subtle like brushing her hand, leg, back, etc.
Believe me, I hear this all the time from my platonic girlfriends with dates that don’t do shiate! You’ll get all the feedback you need as she will reciprocate or retract.

Personally I like inviting them to pool, bowling, mini putt or any shared interest.
It’s fun and easier to invoke some physicality. Another reason why I don’t do coffee dates.

If it doesn’t work out, it’s low expense and may take a hour of your time.
 

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You need to do something exciting with her on the first date so that she associates a rising heartbeat with you, it's kind of a way to force an angle of attraction that might not actually be there but your kind of using it as a Trojan Horse, so like go to the gym or hiking or something
 

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Too much conversation without escalation equals friendship or turning there interest. meter to zero.
Always make a move and it can be subtle like brushing her hand, leg, back, etc.
Believe me, I hear this all the time from my platonic girlfriends with dates that don’t do shiate! You’ll get all the feedback you need as she will reciprocate or retract.
Personally I like inviting them to pool, bowling, mini putt or any shared interest.
It’s fun and easier to invoke some physicality.
Worse case, it’s low expense and may take a hour of your time.
I'm a big fan of billiards as a date, you can get close and pull some kino. You can always pull this move from Great Outdoors as well

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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.
You need to get close to her and escalate in small steps throughout. Don't wait to the end of the date.
 

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Eye contact is a good one to start with. Prolonged and deep. She will feel it more than you think. at some point just get closer and closer and go for the kiss. Do it nonchalantly in the middle of a conversation.
 

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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.
I feel you. I am a pretty serious person myself. I like deep conversations. However, you are obviously not fully enjoying yourself and bringing the date to its potential. I can tell you that:

1) Sexualize the conversation. You can turn any conversation in a sexual direction. This takes practice but it is important that you don't make sex taboo and you both can talk about it lightly and have fun with it in the process. At the end of the day, the girl is there to have fun as well, and we all enjoy sex. I don't care if you are a nun, sex and physical connection are fun. So don't think she will feel repelled, just don't be a creep or overly visual/physical.

This will allow her to see you thru the lens of a potential sexual mate. If you don't and every conversation is intellectual, she will see you as a friend. You need to be able to sexualize the conversation at some point. This brings me to my next point...

2) Break the physical barrier. It is important that at some point throughout the date that you break the physical barrier. This doesn't mean throw yourself at her. Quite the opposite. Subtleness and playfulness are your friends. Now, do not do this right away. Let her warm up to you and be confident about it. Maybe when ordering a drink, turn o her and touch her shoulder and ask her what she wants. Or when opening a door you hold her lower back to introduce her to the room (although the proper way is that you enter first and hold the door from the inside, or so I've been told but either way you can still walk her through the door by holding your hand across her lower back). Or when sitting down, lightly touch her tight and break contact fast (do not hold your hand there).

What this all does is get her to feel close to you physically and break down any mental/physical barriers of touch.

3) Tease her imagination and fantasies. Unlike men, women are not visual. They get turned on by mental stimulation and emotions. Whatever she feels at a given moment is her reality, it is your job to guide those moments for her. Ask her sexual questions, and in the process find out what she likes and doesn't. Once you read into that, you can navigate and again, guide her imagination and emotions.

4) Do NOT wait until the end of the date. That is a big mistake most men make. By the end of the day you should already be making out, or there is consent and you both want it, fooling around and beyond.

5) Have fun. Truly enjoy yourself.



Hope this helps.

Modern Man Advice
 
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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.

One: buy a few drinks.

Two: be sure to sit very near her where you can touch or nuzzle into eachother

Three: Always give her a hug when you first meet her.

Four: If you are walking with her to be seated always graze her back with her writing/strong hand as if to subtly push or guide her.

Five: Ask to see her hand after 30 to 45 mins convo and do the old palm reading routine. Sounds so cliche and cheesy but if she is into you it will always work and you can even lead it into squeezing her and and pulling her into you. You will know immediately once you do it if she is into you or not. Then it becomes much easier to bridge into more kino from there and probably a kiss.

I have been on so many first dates that this has become like a muscle memory to me now. I used to always overthink stuff at first though. Now its a breeze. You can tell if she is into you very quickly by following these steps. Dont be scared to be aggressive or "creepy."
 

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You need to get close to her and escalate in small steps throughout. Don't wait to the end of the date.
This. Its very important and sets the right tone, you arent just there to "chat".
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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A man should always speak less. If you find yourself talking too much or starting every topic figure out a way to get her to open up. Most women want to talk anyways.

As far as the first meet, I was always a fan of kissing a girl on the cheek and bringing her in for a quick hug. It feels natural to me, but it may not for others.
 

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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.
Be sexual on dates within the first 90 minutes. Don't talk about jobs at all. Most white collar jobs are not sexy at all. Flirt, kino, etc.

Also, you can do some non-standard dates. Activity dates can make sense.


You need to do something exciting with her on the first date so that she associates a rising heartbeat with you, it's kind of a way to force an angle of attraction that might not actually be there but your kind of using it as a Trojan Horse, so like go to the gym or hiking or something
Yes!

A man should always speak less. If you find yourself talking too much or starting every topic figure out a way to get her to open up. Most women want to talk anyways.
It is best to talk less. Talking more will lead to some undesirable outcome.
 

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One problem that I have is that on first (and even on second) dates I am way too serious and non-sexual.

The conversations flow really well (jobs, family, friends, hobbies, you name it).
The girls open up and we can talk for hours.
I also throw in some jokes.

HOWEVER: at the end of the date, it has been such a serious conversation!
More often than not, escalation seems out of place, especially if that has been the first date...

How can I make these dates more fun?

Actually: how can I bring more fun / lightheartedness to any interaction?
I am quite a serious person, until I get comfortable around someone.
Many of the guys have a problem being too serious and overly analytical which is a pvssy repellent. A process in switching mindset from a "get it done" one to a attractive and fun swag will be useful. It might even be as simple as having a phone conversation or hanging around some friends who live at that wavelength.
 
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