Possible future for humans?

[f(x)]

In a few decades there will be no need for the working or middle class. There will only be the machine owners. Everything will become automated. I think we are witnessing late stage capitalism. Sometimes I think covid is just the beginning of a greater culling.

 

[derby1]

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Every miner in the UK cannot stand this woman, however they fail to tell you how well off they are now, she gave them all houses. or houses they were already in they could buy for the equivalent mortgage of a budget holiday.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

There's a thing called a Republic. If you can keep it, that is.

United Stats is a republic, not democracy xD
Weirdly and ironically many Americans think that US is a democracy.

Agreed, republics is the preferred and best framework of rule of a society. That is if they keep it that way, which isn't the case with USA for example where they more or less have ruined the concept with all the amendments to US constitution.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Every miner in the UK cannot stand this woman, however they fail to tell you how well off they are now, she gave them all houses. or houses they were already in they could buy for the equivalent mortgage of a budget holiday.

Ye, ironic isn't it?
Everyone wants free stuff but no one wants to pay and work for it.
However; the iron lady was and still is correct in that statement.
Best ever concentrated explanation on how communism works and fails that I know of.

 

[Serenity]

Not so fast Serenity.. Many things are automated or made machines. Elon Musk is working on human like robots which can replace most people. Hence the reason why him, Zuckerberg, Gates and a host of other billionaires and PTB are pushing for UBI. Once that's here, what is the incentive to work? That would also give government near complete control over a person.

Many things are indeed automated and it has drastically changed the nature of work. There still are manual operations related to the actual production of stuff, but these labor intensive jobs are disappearing because a machine can do these repetitive tasks a lot faster and with more precision.

That's bad news for low IQ workers as their limited ability will become obsolete, they will notice it first. Meanwhile there will be a higher demand for work requiring more advanced knowledge for automation and programming. Maintenance may or may not be automated partially or fully, not sure if we can get robots to fix other robots with weird issues.

The vision of Elon Musk is not realistic anywhere in the near future. The guy is infamous for overpromising and underdelivering, what he has shown thus far is a dude dancing around in a spandex suit, no actual working technology. The full self driving for their cars has been promised to be right around the corner for many years, but the progress has been very slow compared to what they promised. Take a look at his "hyperloop", it ended up as a narrow tunnel with Teslas driving slowly and still requires a driver to take over when the AI fvcks up. It's laughable. I own a Tesla and the only thing it has proven to me is that I can't trust my life to the AI.

There is a point to life being too convenient and comfortable though, Japan seems to be far along in that path. Population is declining and entire subcultures of strange human behavior has spawned, such as the shut-ins. Most other developed countries also seem to go in this direction.

 

[derby1]

Everyone wants free stuff but no one wants to pay and work for it.

my uncle does nothing but slate her, as he was a coal miner, yet hes literally driving round now in some 70 grand mercedes because his mortgage was paid off in about 3 weeks.(if you were a coal miner in the UK 1970's you were given a house or atleast a house cheap) the house is now worth 250k

 

[EyeBRollin]

There's a thing called a Republic. If you can keep it, that is.

United Stats is a republic, not democracy xD
Weirdly and ironically many Americans think that US is a democracy.

A republic is a democracy…

 

[RickTheToad]

A republic is a democracy…

Wrong. We do not elect our leader, the electoral college does. So, by that definition, the US is a republic on the federal level. We elect our governors, so on a state level, we're a democracy.

Republic vs. Democracy: What Is the Difference?

The main difference between a democracy and a republic is the extent to which citizens control the process of making laws.

www.thoughtco.com

 

[Bokanovsky]

The real problem with socialism/communism is that it's the ultimate de-motivator. Karl Marx famously said: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." But that does not work in real life. People will only be motived to work hard if their efforts are rewarded commensurately. If the government decides your "needs" are X regardless of what you do and how hard you work, why would you ever want to put in any effort at all? This is the reason why socialist/communist countries always have low productivity and produce low quality sh!t.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

A republic is a democracy…

That is incorrect. It is not the same thing.
https://www.thoughtco.com/republic-vs-democracy-4169936

Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Democracy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Wrong. We do not elect our leader, the electoral college does. So, by that definition, the US is a republic on the federal level. We elect our governors, so on a state level, we're a democracy.

Republic vs. Democracy: What Is the Difference?

The main difference between a democracy and a republic is the extent to which citizens control the process of making laws.

www.thoughtco.com

Exactly. US is republic and nothing else. It is a very specific reason why the founder fathers of the USA chose republic as the governing rule of framework for the nation.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Wrong. We do not elect our leader, the electoral college does. So, by that definition, the US is a republic on the federal level. We elect our governors, so on a state level, we're a democracy.

Republics are democracies. Another name for republic is representative democracy. Whether you elect the President directly or indirectly the people are still voting in an election.

 

[EyeBRollin]

That is incorrect. It is not the same thing.
https://www.thoughtco.com/republic-vs-democracy-4169936
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Republic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

^^^ This is a deliberate mischaracterization of the definition of democracy. Democracy is not synonymous with direct democracy.

 

[EyeBRollin]

US is republic and nothing else. It is a very specific reason why the founder fathers of the USA chose republic as the governing rule of framework for the nation.

A republic is a democracy.

 

[RickTheToad]

Republics are democracies. Another name for republic is representative democracy. Whether you elect the President directly or indirectly the people are still voting in an election.

You are, again, mistaken. In order for a country to be a democracy, the people elect the leader of their choosing by popular vote. This, which has been proven in 2000 and 2016 was not the case. So, you are mistaken.... again.

 

[RickTheToad]

Exactly. US is republic and nothing else. It is a very specific reason why the founder fathers of the USA chose republic as the governing rule of framework for the nation.

Yes, it was to prevent morons from electing the wrong people to lead the country. Well, I guess their safe guards haven't helped us much in the last 30 years in that retrospect.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You are, again, mistaken. In order for a country to be a democracy, the people elect the leader of their choosing by popular vote.

No sir you are 100% wrong:

Is the United States a democracy or a republic?
The United States is both a democracy and a republic. Democracies and republics are both forms of government in which supreme power resides in the citizens. The word republic refers specifically to a government in which those citizens elect representatives who govern according to the law. The word democracy can refer to this same kind of representational government, or it can refer instead to what is also called a direct democracy, in which the citizens themselves participate in the act of governing directly.

What is the basic meaning of democracy?
The word democracy most often refers to a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting.

What is a democratic system of government?
A democratic system of government is a form of government in which supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodic free elections.

What we have witnessed is a common false dichotomy fallacy. @RickTheToad is essentially arguing that a Chevrolet Camaro is not actually a car because it is a coupe. Whether the democracy is structured as direct or representative republic, the people still exercise their power of self-governance through voting in an election.

 

[Kotaix]

Not so fast Serenity.. Many things are automated or made machines. Elon Musk is working on human like robots which can replace most people. Hence the reason why him, Zuckerberg, Gates and a host of other billionaires and PTB are pushing for UBI. Once that's here, what is the incentive to work? That would also give government near complete control over a person.

The biggest problem isn't the incentive to work. Once machines take over jobs then the problem is people will lose that knowledge, and if the machines break down you end up in a position like venezuela where their electical grid is constantly failing and they don't have people that know how to fix it properly because they all left due to the country turning into a dump.

UBI will probably become necessary. But govenrment really needs to be slashed before that happens. The levels of authoritarianism now are already way too bad

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Yes, it was to prevent morons from electing the wrong people to lead the country. Well, I guess their safe guards haven't helped us much in the last 30 years in that retrospect.

Well it is mostly because the us politicians over the last 150 years has amended the United States constitution /declaration of independence to pieces and a sad shadow of it's former self.

 

[Kotaix]

We are stealing from the lower class to give to the rich.

There is no we here. I don't do this and most people on this forum don't either.

There is a corrupt govenrment, that is currently in power, giving perks to corporations and cartels, and fvcking us over in the process.