Women at the club are screwing themselves going out in groups.

[HaleyBaron]

Something I noticed when it comes to night life is that girls really fvck themselves going out in groups. The girls are always looking for a good time, but their ingroup competition forces them to not be able to go home with someone else. I watched a guy have to literally stand outside at last call with the girl he picked up while his new lay and her friend were still talking. I could tell she was trying to convince her to be safe and whatever, but the way her friend was hanging off her, she really did not want her friend to go get laid.

2021 has been an amazing year for getting girls. The american women have cleaned themselves up a little and they are far more happy I would say than before 2020. However, the problem lies in their options and also in how they present themselves in the night life. One, because they are so tied to their phones, they always have something to fall back on as far as getting a guy and they will always go with the comfortable choice rather than striking out with a stranger. Now girls do want to hook up, and I've profited from it. But there's another problem which I highlighted above: american women, at least in the city, are still stuck in that mindset of going out with the girls and moving as a group. No one wants to one-up the other nor want to get the envy from everyone else. A fellowship of women is like a pool of competing sharks.

An observation I am making is that I do not see as many guys pulling women out of the club as there should be. With the thirst level of these women out here, there should be droves of men going home with women every night. But every time I simply see guys leaving empty handed while these fine ass girls, even the ugly ones, are walking home with their friends or by themselves as they jump into their ubers. Something's wrong, and I'd love more analysis from my brothers here. It's not like these men out here are looking bad. A lot of them are cleaned up well. And there are guys who definitely have fine girls they go out with. They buy me drinks all the time. I just think there's a big imbalance as far as girl interest vs male turnout.

 

[zinc4]

I think its much more socially acceptable for a girl to bang on the down low on tinder, okaycupid or bumble or from instagram and then tell her friends like bragging or a cute story or what not as opposed to her friends seeing or hearing about her go home with a random bar or club guy now.

It still happens ofcourse just seems online lays are a lot easier now than nightlife snls where as the opposite used to be the norm. Going out for women now seems to be all about girls night out.

 

[2Rocky]

The Pack Mentality and social media proof of "having a tribe" outweighs their desire for sex....Remember women need Emotional connection more than the physical love act. The woman alone at the bar is a more likely ONS than the girls night out group. Don't fight it, Work with the percentages...

 

[bat soup]

Something I noticed when it comes to night life is that girls really fvck themselves going out in groups. The girls are always looking for a good time, but their ingroup competition forces them to not be able to go home with someone else. I watched a guy have to literally stand outside at last call with the girl he picked up while his new lay and her friend were still talking. I could tell she was trying to convince her to be safe and whatever, but the way her friend was hanging off her, she really did not want her friend to go get laid.

2021 has been an amazing year for getting girls. The american women have cleaned themselves up a little and they are far more happy I would say than before 2020. However, the problem lies in their options and also in how they present themselves in the night life. One, because they are so tied to their phones, they always have something to fall back on as far as getting a guy and they will always go with the comfortable choice rather than striking out with a stranger. Now girls do want to hook up, and I've profited from it. But there's another problem which I highlighted above: american women, at least in the city, are still stuck in that mindset of going out with the girls and moving as a group. No one wants to one-up the other nor want to get the envy from everyone else. A fellowship of women is like a pool of competing sharks.

An observation I am making is that I do not see as many guys pulling women out of the club as there should be. With the thirst level of these women out here, there should be droves of men going home with women every night. But every time I simply see guys leaving empty handed while these fine ass girls, even the ugly ones, are walking home with their friends or by themselves as they jump into their ubers. Something's wrong, and I'd love more analysis from my brothers here. It's not like these men out here are looking bad. A lot of them are cleaned up well. And there are guys who definitely have fine girls they go out with. They buy me drinks all the time. I just think there's a big imbalance as far as girl interest vs male turnout.

Women are doing what they want to do. They go out mainly to get attention from men, not to sleep with them.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

No. ‘Cause if a woman wants a guy, she grabs a friend or two and approaches.

 

[HaleyBaron]

No. ‘Cause if a woman wants a guy, she grabs a friend or two and approaches.

Yes, that does happen, but it's still sparingly. I did catch it once within the last three months, but it's usually the guys initiating with their friends. I will admit I am glad to see guys opening two or three chicks. It's clear the redpill stuff is affecting the manosphere.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I quit going to bars years ago. IME theyre no longer condusive to meeting women. Every bar id go to id never see lone single women. They are always in packs or with a date. Many bars are also too noisy. Its 2021 women no longer need bars to meet men.

 

[Mike32ct]

It takes ballz to go to a club alone. Some guys can do it, but most women can’t.

Female lone wolves in a club are usually older say 27+. It’s rare to find a say 21 to 23 yo lone wolf at the club. She might be more comfortable at a bar, but it’s still not common.

 

[SW15]

The essence of the original post could have been true in 2000-2010 or 2010-2011. It didn't need to be 2020-2021 be true.

I quit going to bars years ago. IME theyre no longer condusive to meeting women. Every bar id go to id never see lone single women. They are always in packs or with a date. Many bars are also too noisy. Its 2021 women no longer need bars to meet men.

Correct. Most bars aren't conducive to meeting women. That was true even before website and later swipe app dating took off. For most of the website era of online dating (the 2000s), bars were still somewhat necessary for women to meet men. However, since the early 2010s when swipe apps and social media took off, they are much less necessary. Fear of COVID only accelerates this. Women can generate more prospects sitting at home by just putting sexy pics up on Instagram or a swipe app. Even having a LinkedIn for their professional lives will allow women to get date offers.

There is a safety hazard for lone single women going out to bars, which is a big reason why the overwhelming majority won't do that.

It takes ballz to go to a club alone. Some guys can do it, but most women can’t.

Female lone wolves in a club are usually older say 27+. It’s rare to find a say 21 to 23 yo lone wolf at the club. She might be more comfortable at a bar, but it’s still not common.

I've gone to bars/clubs alone before.

Correct statement on the few lone wolf female out there, and I'd probably raise the age to 30+.

 

[sangheilios]

The essence of the original post could have been true in 2000-2010 or 2010-2011. It didn't need to be 2020-2021 be true.



Correct. Most bars aren't conducive to meeting women. That was true even before website and later swipe app dating took off. For most of the website era of online dating (the 2000s), bars were still somewhat necessary for women to meet men. However, since the early 2010s when swipe apps and social media took off, they are much less necessary. Fear of COVID only accelerates this. Women can generate more prospects sitting at home by just putting sexy pics up on Instagram or a swipe app. Even having a LinkedIn for their professional lives will allow women to get date offers.

There is a safety hazard for lone single women going out to bars, which is a big reason why the overwhelming majority won't do that.



I've gone to bars/clubs alone before.

Correct statement on the few lone wolf female out there, and I'd probably raise the age to 30+.

It takes ballz to go to a club alone. Some guys can do it, but most women can’t.

Female lone wolves in a club are usually older say 27+. It’s rare to find a say 21 to 23 yo lone wolf at the club. She might be more comfortable at a bar, but it’s still not common.

It's not particularly safe for women to go hit up the nightlife scene completely on there own, which is one of the reasons they tend to go in groups. This is common sense and doesn't need to be elaborated on.

With that said, this is my take on women in this environment. From my observations, I don't actually think most women go there with the intent of meeting men and are simply going out to have fun with their friends, dance, drink, etc. Women like to have a reason to get done up (hair, makeup, outfit, etc.) and when they go out they get validation from the male attention they receive, in addition to the compliments and ego stroking from their entourage. Also, I've several times heard women say that they don't like the idea of dating someone they met at a bar. Shortly before COVID I heard this trashy 4 talk about how she'd go to bars with the intention of using men to buy her drinks, basically flirting and leading them on and when she received her order she'd bounce.

I personally don't think the nightlife scene is all that conducive to meeting women in general, let alone those you'd actually want to date or be in a relationship with. Between the overall environment making social interaction almost impossible and getting ****ed blocked by her friends or other men.....I just don't think it would be worth it. If you want to do well for yourself in regards to your dating life it is important to figure out which environments will make it more or less difficult for you, nightlife and online dating being 2 examples.

 

[Velasco]

Right now it sucks because a lot of the places I like (conductive for cold approach) are asking for the vaxx card for entry.

I don't think I've ever picked up a girl that went to the bar/club by herself. She's always been there with at least one friend.

It's about getting noticed by the dtf girls in the venue (walk around, be social with different people). Then noticing the dtf girls (the ones looking at you/getting near you). Opening them. Making sure she's dtf through physical escalation. showing the friends your not a sperg. Letting the conversation flow. And having good logistics.

If the girl likes you. And they see that your cool, they won't cckblock you.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Right now it sucks because a lot of the places I like (conductive for cold approach) are asking for the vaxx card for entry.

I don't think I've ever picked up a girl that went to the bar/club by herself. She's always been there with at least one friend.

It's about getting noticed by the dtf girls in the venue (walk around, be social with different people). Then noticing the dtf girls (the ones looking at you/getting near you). Opening them. Making sure she's dtf through physical escalation. showing the friends your not a sperg. Letting the conversation flow. And having good logistics.

If the girl likes you. And they see that your cool, they won't cckblock you.

So you think there's just a lot of amateurs out there that just can't win the girl over? I can believe that if we're going by that men are approaching more but screwing it up. Not to mention the increase in immigrants who just use direct approach with no nuance.

 

[Solomon]

The Pack Mentality and social media proof of "having a tribe" outweighs their desire for sex....Remember women need Emotional connection more than the physical love act. The woman alone at the bar is a more likely ONS than the girls night out group. Don't fight it, Work with the percentages...

Women now go out in social circle groups more than ever. Some women only go out to take pictures for IG

Something's wrong, and I'd love more analysis from my brothers here. It's not like these men out here are looking bad. A lot of them are cleaned up well. And there are guys who definitely have fine girls they go out with. They buy me drinks all the time. I just think there's a big imbalance as far as girl interest vs male turnout.

I'm curious to know what city OP is in. Even in my city most guys go home alone are there guys "Picking up"? sure but it's far and few. I live in the midwest, in a city that's very cliquey 9 times out of 10, the hottest chicks or chick come to the venue with their boyfriend. It is what it is. You're better off meeting women through social circle or online dating apps. Plus it's a higher success rate in 2021 for you to pull(in my city anyway)

I quit going to bars years ago. IME theyre no longer condusive to meeting women. Every bar id go to id never see lone single women. They are always in packs or with a date. Many bars are also too noisy. Its 2021 women no longer need bars to meet men.

In 2021 where I live Meat Markets don't exist. Back in 2010 There 2-5 places were you knew you could score or at least get a guranteed phone number or two and a date now? maybe there is only 1 place

 

[HaleyBaron]

Women now go out in social circle groups more than ever. Some women only go out to take pictures for IG



I'm curious to know what city OP is in. Even in my city most guys go home alone are there guys "Picking up"? sure but it's far and few. I live in the midwest, in a city that's very cliquey 9 times out of 10, the hottest chicks or chick come to the venue with their boyfriend. It is what it is. You're better off meeting women through social circle or online dating apps. Plus it's a higher success rate in 2021 for you to pull(in my city anyway)



In 2021 where I live Meat Markets don't exist. Back in 2010 There 2-5 places were you knew you could score or at least get a guranteed phone number or two and a date now? maybe there is only 1 place

Midwest city, too. Down south.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The best bet for sex is a woman alone there which btw is as common as a white fly.

The second best option is a couple of girls that you can approach with your wingman or even alone if you're skilled enough (I did plenty of times in my 20s) and in this second case can even share the drinks cost equally cause its a dynamics outside their standards.

Groups of girls only, require you to look really hot, have amazing social skills and luck in the environment which was never my case given that I've never been more than a 7.

Mixed groups are mission impossible unless its a 35+ group which I dont believe anyone here wants nothing to do with.

 

[SW15]

The best bet for sex is a woman alone there which btw is as common as a white fly.

The second best option is a couple of girls that you can approach with your wingman or even alone if you're skilled enough (I did plenty of times in my 20s) and in this second case can even share the drinks cost equally cause its a dynamics outside their standards.

Groups of girls only, require you to look really hot, have amazing social skills and luck in the environment which was never my case given that I've never been more than a 7.

If a woman is part of a group of more than 3, she is not serious about meeting men.

Part of the reason that I like day game is because it is more conducive to isolation. Women often grocery shop alone, go on a walking path alone, etc,

 

[HaleyBaron]

If a woman is part of a group of more than 3, she is not serious about meeting men.

Part of the reason that I like day game is because it is more conducive to isolation. Women often grocery shop alone, go on a walking path alone, etc,

Watching a girl at a library or something where her bar-mode is turned off is the funniest thing ever. She is like a deer in the headlights.

 

[SW15]

Watching a girl at a library or something where her bar-mode is turned off is the funniest thing ever. She is like a deer in the headlights.

I've done approaches at the grocery store (pre-pandemic) where the woman could not process what was going on. I saw the deer in headlights look.

 

[Velasco]

If a woman is part of a group of more than 3, she is not serious about meeting men.

Doesn't matter how many people she came with as i've proven time and time again. all that matters is that she is dtf and physically attracted to you.

from there the only way you can screw things up is in giving the friends a reason to cokblock you and bad logistics (you can't take her to your place (live with strict parents/live far away) and she can't invite you to her place (lives with strict parents/feels awkward about bringing you to her place (maybe she's sharing a hotel room with her judgmental friend for example).

Part of the reason that I like day game is because it is more conducive to isolation. Women often grocery shop alone, go on a walking path alone, etc,

daygame is a scam.

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One cold approach (or more) a day. No excuse unless you stay at home. Summer has set in, girls are all over the place. Cold approach + report here. What do you guys think?

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[Who Dares Win]

If a woman is part of a group of more than 3, she is not serious about meeting men.

Part of the reason that I like day game is because it is more conducive to isolation. Women often grocery shop alone, go on a walking path alone, etc,

I agree with you about the logistics, I just dont like the current cultural setting that as a western man puts you in the creep zone if your day approach doesnt work.