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And I am outta here. Peace out in this specific forum.

There is no possible way that anyone can have an HONEST conversation about covid or many other issues without breaking the "RULES".

I will take that to where my voice isnt limited and I can express my first amendment rights and just stick to the conversations of banging women on here ;)
 

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I get a letter from my GP every ten years to get booster shots. This covers (I think) tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough.
It’s not connected to anything I’ve done. I had it at about 12 months, I think another when I was a small child (not 100% on that one) but I most certainly had it at about 15, 25 and 35.

they send me a letter and ask me to come in for a booster.

I’m just saying when you said that the Covid jab isn’t like other jabs where you’re “done in one shot” that isn’t true of a lot of vaccines.

ive personally had measles mumps and scarletina (which I think is what they call rubella) so I’ve never had that vaccine anyway. That’s how ancient I am.

the MMR jab was FIERCELY opposed in U.K. as they said it caused autism. What’s your call on this? As far as I can see, that was the same nonsense as we see now. Nearly all kids get the MMR jab.
Again, I am talking about MMR. I cannot comment on UK, as I know nothing about how things work in Europe, only the State of Connecticut and the US in terms of medicine. A doctor can send you a request to do whatever boosters they want, however, most doctors only administer booster shots when needed. We do not issue booster shots to patients in the clinic unless they've come down with something and it warrants it, or they request it. So, that would need to be a discussion between you and your doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if it's done so they could bill for the service and get paid either by your gov't or your health insurance.
 

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You work in the hospital right? Someone like you should know first hand the extent of side effects from the jab. Are you spooked off the jab based on what you are seeing in your clinic?
Correct. We do not administer the shots in the ER, but I've heard stories from colleagues which the media isn't reporting. The vaccine causes an immune response in one's body from our immune system. Which, causes inflammation of certain cells. Since a person can have an auto-immune disease, known or unknown, they start to come out and cause issues in some patients. It is of concern for many people who have a weakened immune system and any HSV virus, celiac, IBS, IBD, COPD, cancer, etc. So much is unknown so personally, I will not take it. The recovery rate for a person exposed to COVID without the vaccine is between 97% and 99.75% (source: https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1).
 

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You make several good points and I agree with them to a point. I think we should have erred on the side of freedom instead of safety. That way of thinking seems to be becoming more and more obsolete, and may well be gone in a generation or two. And I believe we should have focused more on the elderly and others who were more vulnerable rather than shutting everything down. However, I do not believe Covid is a hoax (misrepresented, sure), and I am an advocate of vaccines, so I got this one. And I do not appreciate being compared to a tagged cow.
I agree (I also don't believe covid is a hoax). If not for you, I'd almost swear that this vaccine has caused folks to become biased and angry. I really appreciate your objectivity (you're probably more objective than I). No offence intended.
 

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Correct. We do not administer the shots in the ER, but I've heard stories from colleagues which the media isn't reporting. The vaccine causes an immune response in one's body from our immune system. Which, causes inflammation of certain cells. She a patient cam have an auto-immune disease, known or unknown, they start to come out and cause issues in some patients. It is of concern for many people who have a weakened immune system and any HSV virus, celiac, IBS, IBD, COPD, cancer, etc. So much is unknown so personally, I will not take it. The recovery rate for a person exposed to COVID without the vaccine is between 97% and 99.75% (source: https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1).
@Mauser96 -- that is why. This is the only non-conspiracy, non delusional crack-pot post concerning this matter from a trusted and known reliable source. I've been looking for a post exactly like this because I honestly was about to take the vaccine. After just hearing from the likes of @stovepipe and the self-righteous rants and name-calling I was about to say f***it and just take a pfizer vaccine because the nay side's credibility was nose-diving and I'm feeling like an idiot for listening to them and delaying the vaccine by 3-4 months over nonsense.

Nobody can say this guy is right-wing conspiracy theorist. The problem boils down to my own immune response. I think I may have IBS or I'm not sure what my issues are since I haven't got a blood test in 2 years, etc... So, in other words, its best not to go blind with this vaccine, but to do some up to date tests to see if there are any issues.

My concern is I get these mild body twitches sometimes at night after using the Occulus Quest 2 or if I'm over stimulated before going to bed. Like my body might twitch here or there. If something causes that gets inflamed then there is a risk an inflammation to those cells by the vaccine might cause full onset epilepsy if I use the Occulus Quest 2 for 2 - 3 hours after taking the vaccine.

The thing is most people will not realistically go through a whole series of tests on themselves to evaluate the potential for any inflamed response. I certainly won't. Allot of people don't even find out about cancers until they are in the forth-phase and dread looking for trouble by seeing a doctor. So it's fair to say most people go into this blind and the reality is the side-effects can not be gauged since you can't 100% know what the issues are.
 
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And I wouldnt live in NY for a second. Thanks to the Sexual Predator Cuomo and De Blasio, they have turned it into a shythole.
We all had to live under pvssy grabber for 4 years.

No wonder people are leaving NY by the hundreds of thousands and as quick as they can get out of there.
They’re all just moving to NJ. Home values are up 20% here.
 

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Yeah...the hysteria of hospitals having no beds has been really blown out of proportion
the narrative of " it could get really bad so we better pretend it is really bad" has been repeatedly used by both officials and the media to manipulate weak minded people throughout this pandemic

A group actually broke into a covid ward in London last year during the peak .they posted videos online the entire ward was empty

it was hushed up very very quickly , much like anyone who dare to raise an eyebrow at the whole fiasco

in the uk the masses were categorically told if you exhibit any symptoms then you must not go anywhere near a doctors surgery or hospital you must self isolate for 14 days

So how exactly are all these cases getting to hospitals when the general advice is so just sit in your house and wait it out ?

The end result of a pandemic is supposed to be deaths , yet bizarrely more people died here in 2015 of natural causes

There are one two many red herrings surrounding covid for me to buy the pre prescribed mass narrative

In the cold light of day If this were a legitimate pandemic then nobody would be questioning it...... yet here we are

Something is not right.
 

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Correct. We do not administer the shots in the ER, but I've heard stories from colleagues which the media isn't reporting. The vaccine causes an immune response in one's body from our immune system. Which, causes inflammation of certain cells. Since a person can have an auto-immune disease, known or unknown, they start to come out and cause issues in some patients. It is of concern for many people who have a weakened immune system and any HSV virus, celiac, IBS, IBD, COPD, cancer, etc. So much is unknown so personally, I will not take it. The recovery rate for a person exposed to COVID without the vaccine is between 97% and 99.75% (source: https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1).
Recovery...but recovery TO WHAT is the key question. Long haul COVID symptoms are becoming more and more common and last for months or even potentially forever...and they are terrible....I know several people who have had them for 8+ months...people have committed suicide from them, they are no joke.

Not to mention that COVID fvcks up your body so bad that death for any reason post COVID is increased by 50% from baseline for at least 6 months. This includes people who are asymptomatic. They found the crazy thing with this is that the body sometimes doesn't sound the alarm even as it is being fvcked up and acts like everything is fine. Meanwhile asymptomatic people are walking around with pneumonia and dangerously low O2 sat levels

Not to mention that in 5 years the death rate from people who had their body ravaged by COVID that caused serious issues they ended up dying from that they wouldn't have otherwise had is going to be staggering....tens if not hundreds of millions of people.

This is the real cause for concern. Not the death total right now.
 
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@RickTheToad, what issues that you have would you say are preventing you from taking the vaccine? Do you have any one of those conditions you mentioned?
 

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the narrative of " it could get really bad so we better pretend it is really bad" has been repeatedly used by both officials and the media to manipulate weak minded people throughout this pandemic

A group actually broke into a covid ward in London last year during the peak .they posted videos online the entire ward was empty

it was hushed up very very quickly , much like anyone who dare to raise an eyebrow at the whole fiasco

in the uk the masses were categorically told if you exhibit any symptoms then you must not go anywhere near a doctors surgery or hospital you must self isolate for 14 days

So how exactly are all these cases getting to hospitals when the general advice is so just sit in your house and wait it out ?

The end result of a pandemic is supposed to be deaths , yet bizarrely more people died here in 2015 of natural causes

There are one two many red herrings surrounding covid for me to buy the pre prescribed mass narrative

In the cold light of day If this were a legitimate pandemic then nobody would be questioning it...... yet here we are

Something is not right.
Got it. Well I guess I'll believe a documentary of people who have may have questionable motives over the numerous family members that work in healthcare. I guess my cousin who was an EMT that went to NYC at the beginning must be lying when he said he was sleeping 3 hours a day or less for the month he was there because there were around the clock people dying everywhere including numerous ones in his vehicle...

If you don't know someone who has died from COVID or has terrible long haul symptoms that have lasted for months and show no signs of getting any better only worse, then consider yourself lucky. I unfortunately know several and COVID wasn't particularly bad in this area compared to others.
 

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Recovery...but recovery TO WHAT is the key question. Long haul COVID symptoms are becoming more and more common and last for months or even potentially forever...and they are terrible....I know several people who have had them for 8+ months...people have committed suicide from them, they are no joke.

Not to mention that COVID fvcks up your body so bad that death for any reason post COVID is increased by 50% from baseline. This includes people who are asymptomatic. They found the crazy thing with this is that the body sometimes doesn't sound the alarm even as it is being fvcked up and acts like everything is fine. Meanwhile asymptomatic people are walking around with pneumonia and dangerously low O2 sat levels

Not to mention that in 5 years the death rate from people who had their body ravaged by COVID that caused serious issues they ended up dying from that they wouldn't have otherwise had is going to be staggering....tens if not hundreds of millions of people.

This is the real cause for concern. Not the death total right now.
I forgot about this aspect. Maybe the side-effect risk might be worth it anyway. It looks like a nasty choice either way. I heard in the grapevine of people who had suffered nasty and severe headaches as a result of the vaccine they committed suicide, and others who have ongoing headaches up to today. This is not online, but a friend who knows another friend sort of thing.

However, in terms of hard-data, the Pfizer has 50% less chance of getting a headache as a side-effect than Moderna, so Pfizer would be a better choice if sensitive to headaches. This is why I have not taken Moderna but would consider to take a Pfizer instead.
 

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I forgot about this aspect. Maybe the side-effect risk might be worth it anyway. It looks like a nasty choice either way. I heard in the grapevine of people who had suffered nasty and severe headaches as a result of the vaccine they committed suicide, and others who have ongoing headaches up to today. This is not online, but a friend who knows another friend sort of thing.
The side effects compared to the number of vaccine doses is so low that it is amazing how people latch onto these things.

And yeah, I actually HAVE had a side effect from the vaccine and continue to have it pop up every few weeks, and I am still a proponent of it. Because at the end of the day taking a benedryl to ease an allergic reaction every 2 weeks is better than not being able to breathe properly for the rest of my life or worse.
 

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Again, I am talking about MMR. I cannot comment on UK, as I know nothing about how things work in Europe, only the State of Connecticut and the US in terms of medicine. A doctor can send you a request to do whatever boosters they want, however, most doctors only administer booster shots when needed. We do not issue booster shots to patients in the clinic unless they've come down with something and it warrants it, or they request it. So, that would need to be a discussion between you and your doctor. I wouldn't be surprised if it's done so they could bill for the service and get paid either by your gov't or your health insurance.
Not how it works. It’s always worked this way in the U.K. since at least the 1980s.

the NHS just gets a budget and they cover a certain amount of work for that budget.

There is no way in hell the NHS would give you unnecessary work. It’s different here - you have to hassle them to get service. They most certainly aren’t giving you extra work you don’t need.

it’s the same reason we don’t have half our country on oxycodone as is nearly the case in the states. There is no incentive to prescribe drugs and get people hooked on them.

the things I read about in the states - bad back? Oxy! Toothache? Oxy! Slight cramp in leg? Oxy! Do you have any idea how hard it is to get opiates here? I had a hernia op which left me in moderate to severe pain for a week and I got about 120mg of codeine and a big box of paracetamol (acetiminophen) and ibuprofen (not sure what you call it but it’s over the counter stuff)

also the rate of ADHD and prescriptionsfor adderal seem to be quite common (isn’t it like 5% of US citizens get prescribed ADHD?)

ADHD is almost unheard of in an adult in the U.K. and almost unheard of in kids - let alone prescribing meth for it!

I guess what I’m saying here is that healthcare here isn’t a money grab like it is in the states so it’s highly unlikely that our vaccine boosters are to make money, they are considered a medical necessity.

its utterly shocking the stuff that private US doctors are prescribing on the regular. These drugs are seen as recreational here. The only time you would get oxy or an opiate script is terminal illness from cancer.
 

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Show us this “research” that vaccinated are more likely to get infected vs unvaccinated.
In the end, even if this were true which it isn't, it is irrelevant as numerous studies have shown that vaccinations contain the virus to the nose/throat and prevent it's spread to the lungs, which is when people end up in the hospital, in ICU or dead.

Almost all peopl in the hospital from COVID right now are unvaccinated. Those are the facts and are pretty much the same in every area of the country
 

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As @Alvafe pointed out, we have a fundamental disagreement on the definition of masks. I'm referring to N95 masks, not surgical masks.

Assuming that nuance doesn't make a difference and you are going from a government-legal angle, Your State has low transmission (even if they say its high) so it's doing well after getting people vaccinated. You live in a Blue-State? The masks are not to protect the vaccinated, it's to protect the unvaccinated. So long as you have unvaccinated mixing with vaccinated, they have to keep the mask mandates on. I never heard its to protect the vaccinated, and if everyone was vaccinated (ie you had vaccine passports to enter malls and indoor spaces), then they will remove the mask-mandate since everyone is vaccinated. However, if they do that, then you'll complain its a violation of your civil rights that you have to show a passport or you have to put a mask on? I guess rather than doing that its easier just to have everyone wear a mask rather than show a passport to see who has to wear a mask and who doesn't, right?

When I say anti-social, it means, if enough people think like you then it results in health-systems being overwhelmed, Some degree of communal mind-set is needed in order to ensure that anyone who needs to use the hospital isn't turned away because they are out of capacity. Would it be fair for me to say that if you ever got infected from covid and need to use the hospital, then please don't call 911 and just deal with it at home because of your selfish mind-set? Or, if anyone got sick from covid because you spread it to them that you will be liable for their hospital bills? Would you take ownership of that? Then your are justly entitled to your mind-set if that's the case because you are aware of the impact of your mind-set and choices with other people apart from yourself and take ownership of it. But can you really own that?
The US surgeon general stated on TV recently that going back to wearing masks was to protect the vaccinated. Why would he say something like that if the "vaccine" protects like they claim it does? It's also been stated that the vaccine mitigates your risk of dying even if you contract covid, however the claim was that the vaccine would prevent covid infection when it first came out.

As to your point on masks. I won't argue with you about certain types of masks. Even if most people had a mask such as a N95, they would not wear it properly, handle it correctly, or they would consistently use the same one everyday which defeats the purpose of it.

Furthermore, elected and health officials keep stressing the use of a face covering. However, I've seen so many instances of "do as I say, not as I do" that I cannot take any of them seriously on their mask mandate. If they don't want to follow the rules they create, then why should I be subject to them?

As for my anti-social stance and the example of overcrowded hospitals you used, I will have to disagree with your opinion. Why? Prime example is NYC. There was a huge push by them to obtain thousands of ventilators that were never used, hospital ships that were barely utilized, a massive convention center converted into a hospital that was barely used. This was during the height of the pandemic. Of course this is just one example but considering the population of NYC at the time, its a good example that the claim of over capacity hospitals wasn't such an issue.

You can assume my stance is anti-social but that's your opinion. The biggest issue I have is that a lot of people are not thinking for themselves with this virus and just buying into whatever they are being told. On top of that, the information they're believing is either ambiguous or slighted in a way to promote an agenda.

To compound it further, they're vilifying people who choose not to receive the vaccine and we see it everyday. There's talks about no fly lists, "show me your paper" mandates, and basically segregating unvaxxed and vaxxed people from society. That sounds anti-social to me. Not to mention a lot of people I've talked to or met who are pro-vaccine will castigate me and give me grief about my choice. The ironic part is how these people care so much about what I do in terms of masks and vaccines, yet on any normal day they wouldn't care or give a second thought as to my well-being or personal choices.

I stand firm in my "anti-social" opinion as you say. The virus is here to stay and be a part of our lives. They should be heading efforts to find effective treatments for it, but we all know that's not a priority since you never hear about it. It's all about masks, vaccines, and restrictions.
 

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They dont want you to see this video. CNN wont air it but the guy is a head of Baylor Medical. Hes qualified id say

My post from another vax thread applies here:

“Try getting your news from confirmed truthful and reliable sources before making important personal health decisions …

Google does wonders for thinking men in that endeavor” …

“BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech. “Wikipedia
 

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Your quoting wikipedia. Thats hilarious. Yes then call me far right friend.

The fact still remains Bill that the head of a prestiguous medical school and research center called it deadly. And yes its killing people.
They halted the swine flu vaccine for far less side effects. Look it up.
Yes, he’s one of Baylor Medicines four deans, but he’s not the head dean. His specialty is tropical medicine. Get your facts straight.
 

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@RickTheToad, what issues that you have would you say are preventing you from taking the vaccine? Do you have any one of those conditions you mentioned?
I have a spinal cord injury from a car accident. For your IBS/IBD, you may want to consider asking your GP for the following tests:

Standard blood panel to check for any really wacky levels/deficiencies

Celiac blood panel to eliminate the small possibility that you have Celiac

Fecal blood test. Blood = tumors, ulcers, or perforations

Extensive thyroid panel
 

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