Robert Greene's The Art of Seduction - Choose the Right Victim

[Xenom0rph]

Boyos, as you can see from the attached pic, I'm a major fan of Robert Greene's works. I don't agree with all of his words, but most of it is true.

I also have around 20 books on the subjects of hypnotism and NLP that I read from front cover to back cover and pretty much memorized all the principles - these strategies are ingrained in my mind now and pretty much part of my day-to-day repertoire when dealing with people....

In the late 90s to the early 2000s I devoted myself to studying hypnotism and NLP. In my post HERE and HERE and also HERE you can find some primer to this intel. I've also posted about this stuff in other threads but can't seem to find them at the moment.

The fundamental rule of hypnotism is that you can only hypnotize someone if they're a willing participant (whether on a conscious level or subconscious level).

The fundamental rule of NLP is that you can only implant suggestions if you've established rapport.

This is in line with Robert Greene's philosophy of "Choose the Right Victim"...... the principle is exactly the same, just worded differently. What this means is that you can only hypnotize or implant suggestions or seduce someone who's already receptive to you. If they're not receptive to you, there is literally nothing you can say or do to make them budge....

Rather than me typing out a long-winded explanation, I'll just embed a video of Greene's "The Art of Seduction", specifically the section called "The Seductive Process - Choose the Right Victim."

You can find the entire audiobook on youtube if you wish to learn more.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Great post......But this is way too advanced for most guys on this forum.

I'm putting this out there for any who wish to learn... the reality is that only a small percentage of men will even understand these concepts, and an even smaller percentage of men will be able to gain any meaningful results from it.

The vast majority of men are doomed to fail... I'm posting this up for the small percentage of men who have some possibility of succeeding, and hopefully it will help them succeed.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Not a fan of calling people "victims" but maybe we can get a list of "unmet needs"

1) sexual fantasies
2) confidence
3) Dominance
4) Spontaneity
5) Risk

Would be the first 5 in a woman that come to my mind but i am sure there are others

In a nutshell Greene is saying identify what the subject is missing in life and project it

But as uncle ben always says with great power comes great responsibility so to anyone considering mastering this stuff be careful

Personally i always aim to ensure anyone i am "seducing" usually finishes in a better position than when i first met them even if it can be sometimes a tough lesson

 

[characternote]

here's someone trying to use NLP and speed seduction

another:

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Not a fan of calling people "victims" but maybe we can get a list of "unmet needs"

1) sexual fantasies
2) confidence
3) Dominance
4) Spontaneity
5) Risk

Would be the first 5 in a woman that come to my mind but i am sure there are others

In a nutshell Greene is saying identify what the subject is missing in life and project it

But as uncle ben always says with great power comes great responsibility so to anyone considering mastering this stuff be careful

Personally i always aim to ensure anyone i am "seducing" usually finishes in a better position than when i first met them even if it can be sometimes a tough lesson

Please tell us all about the times you hypnotized a girl into bed.

 

[Bingo-Player]

" i have a boyfriend"

Aka i am not interested in your nonsense but i will be polite about it

IF a cold approach or any woman for that matter was interested in you there would be no mention of a boyfriend regardless of whether she had one or not

here's someone trying to use NLP and speed seduction

another:

 

[characternote]

" i have a boyfriend"

Aka i am not interested in your nonsense but i will be polite about it

IF a cold approach or any woman for that matter was interested in you there would be no mention of a boyfriend regardless of whether she had one or not

he was banking on his advanced 'nextgen verbals' and NLP attraction routines to negate that I guess

 

[IKO69]

Great post......But this is way too advanced for most guys on this forum. I've mentioned Greene many times when guys ask "how do you actually seduce women?"

Most guys are like "Bro, I just want to learn how to get laid bro. hurrrr stop overanalyzing everything bro. Life is simple bro. You overthink things bro and it's creepy bro. Do you hate women or something bro?" - born BluePills with no hope.

There's only a small percentage of guys who are capable of understanding this stuff.

This pretty much applies to everything worthwhile in life

 

[Xenom0rph]

here's someone trying to use NLP and speed seduction

another:

I forced myself to watch both vids in their entirety and closely monitored every word..... here are my thoughts:

* I hesitate to say whether he's applying NLP "correctly" or "incorrectly", because the plain fact is that NLP is a pseudoscience, there is no "correct" and "incorrect" way to apply it and there is no "correct" or "incorrect" interpretation of its principles. I will simply say that I disagree with his interpretation.

* I have never bought into this idea that you can used canned (rehearsed) pickup lines to invoke certain behaviors in people. As I mentioned previously, simply saying "Good morning" to a man-hating feminist invokes a different reaction than saying "Good morning" to a kindly old grandmother.

* Notice how he says "Have you ever just met someone and you suddenly felt like you've known that person forever and ever." at 1:30 in the first video:

1. What he's attempting to do here is invoke a feeling she's had in the past when she "had a connection with someone"
2. Once that feeling is invoked, his next step is to try to "Anchor" that feeling that she experienced to himself, so that she will associate that feeling with him.
3. That was his goal, whether or not he succeeded is debatable.

* In the first video, we can say he had a moderately positive interaction because she didn't simply keep walking off - notice in the second vid the video texts mentions that he contemplated standing in front of the female to prevent her from walking off, which would have been super creepy.

1. To be honest, in the first video he interacted with a someone whose receptive, whether or not he's aware that he chose a receptive person is unknown.
2. She's a Black female, and keeping it 100% honest and real, Black females rarely ever get approached in real life and they don't get much matches on OLD compared to White, Asian, Latina and Middle Eastern females.
3. So Black females are more welcoming to approaches because they aren't constantly bombarded with attention from thirsty men.

Racepill isn't a topic of this discussion, although I do plan to talk about it in a future post (if I feel like commenting on it).... But to illustrate my point, here is a video of a relatively attractive Black female complaining about men not approaching her.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Characternote is trolling you. He doesn't believe in seduction or NPL.

His view is largely "just be yourself bro and stop trying to manipulate women." - utterly committed BluePill

I don't believe in NLP either, I've called it a pseudo-science multiple times.... but it's a pseudo-science in the same way that Astrology is a pseudo-science.... it's bullsh/t, but it doesn't hurt to know a little bit about, even if its only ever useful as a topic of light-hearted conversation.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Most of the concepts detailed in this book are quite basic, I've read this book once and listened to it alot, honestly there isn't a ton here that is going to really make you scratch your head or think and anybody with any amount of life experience is going to find most of this book trivial at best in my opinion.... What I find trivial might not be trivial for you, but in my opinion there isn't a ton here to chew on.

The only reason I even listened to it was because I had a mass Robert Greene playlist of all his books.

Mastery, 33 strategies of war and laws of power were the hitters for me, his new book was straight garbage

 

[Xenom0rph]

Read a book on NPL called Sleight of Mouth - NPL definitely isn't pseudo-science. It's incredibly powerful. Politicians use it all the time. So do Police interrogators and top Salesmen. It's branded pseudo-science so the peasantry don't get any bright ideas and start using it.

NPL is basically a combination of reframing and frame-control. You basically create reality with your words and the way you communicate with people.

NLP, can basically be summed up in 3 simple (simple doesn't mean easy) steps that must be done in the following sequence or it simply won't work:

1) Establish rapport
2) The practitioner must get the target to anchor positive feelings and trust to the practitioner
3) Implant suggestions.

I mentioned previously that step 1 has a 99% fail rate, if a practitioner can't establish step 1, then the entire process doesn't work.

What most guys don't understand is that establishing rapport often times has very little to do with verbal communication, which is why I personally feel it's a blunder to run canned pickup lines to establish rapport - they're trying to skip right to step 3, or they're trying to blend all 3 steps into a single step - this will not work.

Only a very small handful of men are able to charm people with just words.... these men are the exception to the rule and they are in the extreme minority.

Let's take the example of a recent politician: Kamala Harris. She is a well-spoken, articulate, intelligent and politically savvy person. And yet why did she lose the primary to Joe Biden who can't even string together a coherent sentence?

It's because she has a low trust factor, which means she never established rapport with the voters (the media calls this "connecting to the voters")....

On the flip side, let's look at my guy Ronald Triumph: he's not particularly articulate and isn't politically savvy... and yet he has a fanatically loyal voter base of 75M people... these people were willing to storm the capital building because he lost. Why? because he was able to connect with his base - he established rapport.


So again, in the vast majority of cases, words have very little to do with establishing rapport. And if you can't establish rapport (99% fail rate) then NLP simply doesn't work.

 

[Xenom0rph]

One of my older posts HERE

 

[Xenom0rph]

NLP, a pseudo-science based on using words to invoke positive emotions, seems to invoke cringe whenever it's mentioned.... lol at the irony...

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I can't believe it's 2021 and morons are still talking about NLP.

 

[manfrombelow]

The best insight Greene ever had was "You can only seduce a woman who is receptive to you." Taking it a step further, I don't think you can easily seduce someone who is happy and content in life. The best victims, as Greene says, are people who have unmet needs and you fill that void for them. Luckily for the seducers, pretty much all women are unhappy to some degree. It's just that the happier a woman is, the harder it is to seduce her.

A huge trap Players fall into is thinking that Game can overcome low-interest in a woman. They think that by saying and doing the right things, that they can magically turn a Hard No into a Yes. This is largely a huge waste of time.

All you can do, as a Player, is behave in a way that is universally attractive to women....and then the women who have unmet needs and are vulnerable to seduction will fall under your spell.

I wouldn't use the term "victim" here.

I have learned a long time ago that we can only seduce women who ALREADY "liked" us to some degree. I think that's what he meant.

 

[Charm2K]

So sad, so damn sad....

Boyos, as you can see from the attached pic, I'm a major fan of Robert Greene's works. I don't agree with all of his words, but most of it is true.

I also have around 20 books on the subjects of hypnotism and NLP that I read from front cover to back cover and pretty much memorized all the principles - these strategies are ingrained in my mind now and pretty much part of my day-to-day repertoire when dealing with people....

In the late 90s to the early 2000s I devoted myself to studying hypnotism and NLP. In my post HERE and HERE and also HERE you can find some primer to this intel. I've also posted about this stuff in other threads but can't seem to find them at the moment.

The fundamental rule of hypnotism is that you can only hypnotize someone if they're a willing participant (whether on a conscious level or subconscious level).

The fundamental rule of NLP is that you can only implant suggestions if you've established rapport.

This is in line with Robert Greene's philosophy of "Choose the Right Victim"...... the principle is exactly the same, just worded differently. What this means is that you can only hypnotize or implant suggestions or seduce someone who's already receptive to you. If they're not receptive to you, there is literally nothing you can say or do to make them budge....

Rather than me typing out a long-winded explanation, I'll just embed a video of Greene's "The Art of Seduction", specifically the section called "The Seductive Process - Choose the Right Victim."

You can find the entire audiobook on youtube if you wish to learn more.

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You are so sad. I pity you.

 

[manfrombelow]

They are a "victim" because they lose their ability to think rationally when seduced. You're knowingly leading them by emotions and hormones and that's very naughty.

To me, it's not naughty, but natural. It is what it is.

 

[derby1]

here's someone trying to use NLP and speed seduction

another:

This would get you put in prison in the UK, British women would not respond to this

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

This would get you put in prison in the UK, British women would not respond to this

I can't believe people are even talking this nonsense on here. I thought we moved past this 10 years ago.