single moms roster was unreal.

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

idk why yall black pills think women will submit easily to a guy with higher value then them.

 

[Machine10033]

I am a 38 year old father,who is concerned for masculinity. I stick up for what I believe in. I would like to set a good example for the daughter and still enter an LTR.

I’m with you.... I’m going to be 41.... and am so grateful I actually grew up when I did. I could not imagine the youth today and what those young men will have to endure.

 

[Ricky]

yes from strangers bro.




the point of the post isn't that these women are aiming to the top 20% of men for commitment, the women werent stupid. they know theyre lane. But its the fact that because they have got ANY man they want round theyre house in the last 2 months, you are just another guy, even if your in good shape. or mildly successful.

Its another day in the office to them, yet really they should be kissing a 5/10 males feet

and the wall is no longer 30. its more like 50 now.

Someone said simps (used to be AFC's) are ruining everything.. by giving too much attention to all women, even the undeserving ones. Maybe that's what is going on. A women will still prefer a higher quality guy

 

[Lookatu]

Getting the girl is for beginners, surviving what comes after is for the pro´s.

This.

 

[Ricky]

BTW, legalized prostitution won't change anything, men will still be SIMPs.

Prostitution is legal in a lot of places in Europe and men there are just as big of cucks as in the US. That's because most men are ego-fragile, insecure buffoons that think paying for sex makes them less of a man.... They base their self-worth on their ability to attract positive attention from women, which is the same type of attention-wh0ring, validation-seeking behavior that women engage in, and I find it quite ironic that guys will criticize women for their validation-seeking and yet these men engage in the same type of behavior.....

Thats actually a really good point about the validation seeking

 

[BeExcellent]

In my locale the wall is more like 60 for women who take care of themselves and there are many here who do. Avoid the sun to preserve your skin & time comes for you much slower. I was always more night owl than sun worshipper and that shows (to my advantage) in my 50s.

The paradox of choice is tough for anyone who truly has choices. There are no perfect people, and thinking there is always a bigger, better deal out there can rob you of something really good you have right in front of you. Eventually you gotta settle down and stop nexting and give somebody a chance.

But it’s wild. The 40s & 50s are the new 20s...only people now have a track record. It’s a whole lot easier to see the accomplished people contrasted with the unaccomplished people. Those who are aging well versus those who aren’t. It’s all on display...which combined with a little life experience makes dating simpler. You can see what you are actually getting based on someone’s history & you aren’t gambling on potential any more.

Which means the market is ruthlessly self sorting. The beautiful/accomplished/sought after rise to the top. The rest arrive at their own level but have nobody but themselves to blame for being there, genetics aside.

I am always fascinated by the amount of carping, gnashing and shaming that goes on. Bitterness directed at others who are observably doing better. And you can sort by attitude too. Positive people on the way up...negative people on the way down.

So OPs observation is not surprising and that gap (between the desirable and the undesirable) is simply going to widen over time.

The result is people start to understand reality and settle for what they can get. Men and women both do this. People for the most part hate to be alone and most will choose someone who chooses them...and typically that will be someone of similar SMV

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Why do you even care about that demo? 3/4's? Jesus man. Frankly, don't know you as I'm a new poster here, but it seems likes you're having the normal reaction of a mature guy recently divorced - utter amazement on discovering the stunning truth of hypergamy, it'll get better as you improve yourself. Focus on you - don't care about these bottom-feeding mouthbreathing women - do you - build it and they will come. I'm in my mid-fifties in the best shape of my life having exited a miserably disappointing marriage, and I smash 2x chicks a day on a regular basis, the harem is replete - sometimes 3 a day. Work on you, they will come.

Lift heavy ****, work on your personal style, get a good haircut and a good pair of recraftable shoes.

 

[Machine10033]

In my locale the wall is more like 60 for women who take care of themselves and there are many here who do

Here is a quote from Dwight Shrute on being hot and it applies to the wall! It’s a conversation between pregnant Pam and Dwight lol

Pam: Dwight, am I hot right now?
Dwight: Why would I or anyone else think that you’re hot right now? I can’t impregnate you, and that’s the driving force between male-female attraction.
Pam: What about before? Was I attractive before?
Dwight: Meh… you were at your most attractive when you were 24 with a slight, gradual decline and a steep drop-off when you got pregnant for the first time. Gradual recovery and, uh, well now, obviously, you’re at an all-time low.

Females may want to believe 60 is the wall but it’s not. I am sure everyone can still get laid and have a great time but natural smv is low. A high value man in his 30’s or 40’s with a ton of resources ( not looking for a sugar momma) will pick the most biologically attractive female that can bear him children.... not a 40, not a 50... not a 60 year old... the sun is setting in the early 30’s if not sooner. The world may be on fire and nothing makes sense but if you put an attractive 23 year against a 60 year old no guy is chasing the 60 year old.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Here is a quote from Dwight Shrute on being hot and it applies to the wall! It’s a conversation between pregnant Pam and Dwight lol

Pam: Dwight, am I hot right now?
Dwight: Why would I or anyone else think that you’re hot right now? I can’t impregnate you, and that’s the driving force between male-female attraction.
Pam: What about before? Was I attractive before?
Dwight: Meh… you were at your most attractive when you were 24 with a slight, gradual decline and a steep drop-off when you got pregnant for the first time. Gradual recovery and, uh, well now, obviously, you’re at an all-time low.

Females may want to believe 60 is the wall but it’s not. I am sure everyone can still get laid and have a great time but natural smv is low. A high value man in his 30’s or 40’s with a ton of resources ( not looking for a sugar momma) will pick the most biologically attractive female that can bear him children.... not a 40, not a 50... not a 60 year old... the sun is setting in the early 30’s if not sooner. The world may be on fire and nothing makes sense but if you put an attractive 23 year against a 60 year old no guy is chasing the 60 year old.

60 is the new 50!

Try to say that without laughing.

 

[Machine10033]

60 is the new 50!

Try to say that without laughing.

It’s not! Even for guys.. i have been an athlete my entire life. At 40.... I am just as strong and in shape as 21..... but it takes so much more work! At 21 I could do it on wings, beer and beef jerky... with 4 hours of sleep. Now it’s testosterone optimization, insane diet, at least 8 hours of sleep a night and religiously training... time/ nature gets all of us... no reason to become delusional lol!!!! I just hope I’m alive at 60... that’s a win lol!!!!

 

[Robert28]

These single moms today love to play the game of “I’m busy being a mom!” but when there’s free food and Booz to be had those kids get dropped off at her parents and she’s suddenly got all the free time in the world.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It’s not! Even for guys.. i have been an athlete my entire life. At 40.... I am just as strong and in shape as 21..... but it takes so much more work! At 21 I could do it on wings, beer and beef jerky... with 4 hours of sleep. Now it’s testosterone optimization, insane diet, at least 8 hours of sleep a night and religiously training... time/ nature gets all of us... no reason to become delusional lol!!!! I just hope I’m alive at 60... that’s a win lol!!!!

Where you active at 21? Alot of those guys are playing pickup basketball and other physical activities which keep the fat off. Even standing up in a club for 4-6 hrs is better than sitting down.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

All those hours in the gym,disciplined food, hobbies, passions, pursuits, + working 10 hours, and a 3/10 wont appreciate you as her guy one bit

I don't care what these milfs think, they belong to the streets as far as I am concerned.

 

[oOh Nasty]

I think the logic that OP is getting at is that, if 4s can't appreciate or don't care about decent men, then the 7s, 8s, and 9s won't care about decent men. Right? But these 4s are jaded and out of touch with reality. Strangely enough, I think one would have more chances with regular women than some washed up single moms.

 

[BeExcellent]

I think the logic that OP is getting at is that, if 4s can't appreciate or don't care about decent men, then the 7s, 8s, and 9s won't care about decent men. Right? But these 4s are jaded and out of touch with reality. Strangely enough, I think one would have more chances with regular women than some washed up single moms.

I agree with this from the ladies locker room.

Additionally these 4s realize they can’t get high value men, however much they complain about it. But here’s the flip side....there are WAY more men who can’t get sought after women. Those men aren’t necessarily out of the market. Rather they are the ones these single moms have to choose from. So there it is...the SMP at work.

It is self sorting. Just because OP wouldn’t bang or get involved with these women he mentions doesn’t mean nobody will. These women have a market out there....

 

[Robert28]

I agree with this from the ladies locker room.

Additionally these 4s realize they can’t get high value men, however much they complain about it. But here’s the flip side....there are WAY more men who can’t get sought after women. Those men aren’t necessarily out of the market. Rather they are the ones these single moms have to choose from. So there it is...the SMP at work.

It is self sorting. Just because OP wouldn’t bang or get involved with these women he mentions doesn’t mean nobody will. These women have a market out there....

The only market value these women have is to be pump and dump material. That’s it. If they are fine with that, so be it. Most seem to be fine with it even though they complain about it because they never seem to do anything to fix the problem.

 

[Lookatu]

In my experience, a lot of single mom's once they have been in the dating market for some time and have had enough experiences to figure things out, only want a guy to be "part of her family" as a partner, dad, etc. after he ticks all the boxes and that he wants to be part of her family unit by demonstrating seriousness, commitment, stability(both mental and financial), longevity, and the fatherly and family oriented traits that a woman is looking for.

A lot of woman do not come across this exact combo for various reasons. It is the reason why a lot of them will put their kids first and only want a guy to fill the lonely gap here and there to keep them sane and to seek someone they can experience adult time with since she's with her kids the rest of the time. A lot of them only want a plate or part-time semi-serious guy to fill the void in their lives while their kids are young.

Of course there may be the rare situations where the woman feels like she's found that perfect guy that ticks all the boxes but in this day and age, I find that to be on the rare side. It's pretty much going to be her and her kids vs. you. Two separate teams.

Also a lot of these women, due to the level of male thirst and desperation along with massive amounts of simping, do not look in the mirror themselves and asks themselves how they can improve by being a classy woman and a great partner for a guy. Then it becomes one sided with her always wanting things on her terms and her always taking and taking. This kind of behavior eventually leads to her being pumped and dumped several times. And rather looking at herself as the possible cause, she gets bitter and jaded and blames all the guys. Then many just give up and think no guys can be worthy of becoming one team. Then the viscious cycle of repeats over and over...

A lot of women don't realize that treating a guy great will have him sticking around, rather they think the guy has to treat them great to stick around. That is where things fall apart IMO.

 

[BeExcellent]

A lot of women don't realize that treating a guy great will have him sticking around, rather they think the guy has to treat them great to stick around. That is where things fall apart IMO.

Absolutely agree. Treat a man like a king and he will consider his interaction with a woman seriously. Be good company, an ardent lover and keep him as top priority and you stand out among the myriad selfish chicks out there.

Friends of my guy know I treat him like a king & they are always asking him “Where did you find a woman like HER....” and he just grins. This includes several of his married friends who know his ex wife (and wish they had a spouse who truly appreciates them....)

Adding value goes a long way.

 

[derby1]

I think the logic that OP is getting at is that, if 4s can't appreciate or don't care about decent men, then the 7s, 8s, and 9s won't care about decent men. Right? But these 4s are jaded and out of touch with reality. Strangely enough, I think one would have more chances with regular women than some washed up single moms.

thats my point, fully. and it has nothing to do with commitment. Its the fact weve saturated ourselves.

a mediocre woman should set a shrine up to her guy if he brings decent SMV, and she quite simply wont, thanks to saturation of men.

 

[MatureDJ]

Three points may not be the magic number, but maybe 5 is... I have a relative who is a 6 and he's been with a 1 for a long time now. He's a dope fiend. She puts up with all his crap and sticks with him. She's loyal to the bone.

A dope fiend is a 6?