Do any of you guys have interest in philosophy?

[redskinsfan92]

Yes

 

[Epicenter]

 

[deadmasterx]

Lately I've been buying a lot of books but I find that they don't really give me the information that I want to digest. Influence by Cialdini, The Art of War, they are interesting, they're very practical. I'm not opposed to any ideologies which help further the self on a journey at all.

I'm now re-listening to this Alan Watts video, Seeing Through the Game and it seems just all-round much better. Just listening to it gives me more peace of mind.

The red pill I once took seems to be hitting me harder and harder all the time. I know a lot about the matrix outside. Studying the nature of the mind, which drives all of us as humans, seems to be exactly what was missing in my education.

I'm a philosophy student, so there are some books that I can recommend you.

If your goal is building a practical mindset that can survive the tests that life gives you, you should start reading the Stoics as soon as possible. Most people know the meaning of the word, but never did read any of the important works. The ones that I would like to mention here will surely be helping you out on broadening your views about life in general.

Aristotle, "Nicomachean Ethics"
Obviously, if you know a little bit of philosophy you know that Aristotle lived and died way before Stoicism actually happened. I'm recommending you this book though because it's a pearl in the Philosophy world. Aristotle was a real teacher, he will give you billions of examples and will make sure you understand him. Nicomachean Ethics are about finding balance in life, living a life of virtue.

Seneca, "On the Shortness of Life"
Seneca was one of the most important Stoics. This book of his in particular summarizes all the aspects that a Stoic must have to succeed. The "book" is actually a letter that was written to a friend of his while he was in exile for conspiring against the Roman Emperor. If you know a bit of history, you'll catch all the subtle offenses that he throws on the roman senators. Offenses aside, this is another great book that will teach you a lot, and best of all, it's a short one.

Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
In case you don't know, Marcus Aurelius was the last good Roman Emperor. This book is a compilation of his diary writings. It isn't exactly written for someone else to read it, but for himself. While going out for his military campaigns, Marcus Aurelius would write in his diary some breaf comments about the tests he had, and what he had to do to overcome it. It's always good to learn with other people's struggles, so we will know what to do when our time comes.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Nope, I think it’s silly

 

[Spaz]

The true nature of a man will materialise when he is pushed to his limits AND THEN PAST HIS LIMITS.

But most importantly, observe how he regains his sense of reasoning.

Some can simply dismiss it, some would be momentarily taken aback, some would take years to recover and some would carry grudges till it eats them up from the inside out.

Which one r u ?

 

[Epicenter]

The true nature of a man will materialise when he is pushed to his limits AND THEN PAST HIS LIMITS.

But most importantly, observe how he regains his sense of reasoning.

Some can simply dismiss it, some would be momentarily taken aback, some would take years to recover and some would carry grudges till it eats them up from the inside out.

Which one r u ?

Imagine you being a men in a women's body. Or vice versa. Or a closet gay. That might push one to the limit too. Or somebody kidnaps you and fills you up with ostrogens. These are quite some tests.

Anyway life is probably an illusion. Some atoms doing their thing.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I'm a philosophy student, so there are some books that I can recommend you.

If your goal is building a practical mindset that can survive the tests that life gives you, you should start reading the Stoics as soon as possible. Most people know the meaning of the word, but never did read any of the important works. The ones that I would like to mention here will surely be helping you out on broadening your views about life in general.

Aristotle, "Nicomachean Ethics"
Obviously, if you know a little bit of philosophy you know that Aristotle lived and died way before Stoicism actually happened. I'm recommending you this book though because it's a pearl in the Philosophy world. Aristotle was a real teacher, he will give you billions of examples and will make sure you understand him. Nicomachean Ethics are about finding balance in life, living a life of virtue.

Seneca, "On the Shortness of Life"
Seneca was one of the most important Stoics. This book of his in particular summarizes all the aspects that a Stoic must have to succeed. The "book" is actually a letter that was written to a friend of his while he was in exile for conspiring against the Roman Emperor. If you know a bit of history, you'll catch all the subtle offenses that he throws on the roman senators. Offenses aside, this is another great book that will teach you a lot, and best of all, it's a short one.

Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
In case you don't know, Marcus Aurelius was the last good Roman Emperor. This book is a compilation of his diary writings. It isn't exactly written for someone else to read it, but for himself. While going out for his military campaigns, Marcus Aurelius would write in his diary some breaf comments about the tests he had, and what he had to do to overcome it. It's always good to learn with other people's struggles, so we will know what to do when our time comes.

100% agree, Stoicism is wildly wildly underrated and also very misunderstood. Seneca is one of the best philosophers I've ever come across and his writings are incredibly profound yet simple and practical. I have read Meditations as well, I intend to check out Epictetus and Rufus next.

Do you have any recommendations for Existentialism? It seems intimidating and people have a lot of conflicting ideas on who to read or where to start out.

 

[Epicenter]

100% agree, Stoicism is wildly wildly underrated and also very misunderstood. Seneca is one of the best philosophers I've ever come across and his writings are incredibly profound yet simple and practical. I have read Meditations as well, I intend to check out Epictetus and Rufus next.

Do you have any recommendations for Existentialism? It seems intimidating and people have a lot of conflicting ideas on who to read or where to start out.

He was a politican and their job is to lie and do propaganda. He was very good in that I guess.

If you want truth I would go with Epicurus and Schopenhauer.

I don't feel like Destojewski is hard to read as long as you have lots of time. It is kind of a philosophical sex, crime, action drama.

 

[deadmasterx]

100% agree, Stoicism is wildly wildly underrated and also very misunderstood. Seneca is one of the best philosophers I've ever come across and his writings are incredibly profound yet simple and practical. I have read Meditations as well, I intend to check out Epictetus and Rufus next.

Do you have any knowledge of Existentialism? I am too intimidated to get into it. I've read Dostoevsky but it took an incredible amount of effort to understand it.

I have a bit of knowledge in it, but I have a huge prejudice when it comes to modern philosophers (past 1900s), especially the frenchies (Sartre, Foucault). I think they used the idea more of a way to "dismantle" ethic ideas than to actually add something. Most of these guys were Pedos, bon vivants, so on, so it's not impressive that they reach this point.

I think the Stoics found a way more harmonic way to guide a man that can serve himself, society and obey the ethic rules at the same time, while the Existentialists try pass over all these things.

 

[deadmasterx]

100% agree, Stoicism is wildly wildly underrated and also very misunderstood. Seneca is one of the best philosophers I've ever come across and his writings are incredibly profound yet simple and practical. I have read Meditations as well, I intend to check out Epictetus and Rufus next.

Do you have any recommendations for Existentialism? It seems intimidating and people have a lot of conflicting ideas on who to read or where to start out.

Also, about the Dostoiévski writings, it's not that hard. It can be explained both with psychology and philosophy. Of both his books that I've read, Crime and Punishment and Notes from the Underground, we have a main character that is a smart, ****y but wicked. Raskolnikov would compare himself to Napoleon, saying in simple words that "Superior people has the right to do morally doubtful things because they aim a better good". Yes, it does make sense. Then as it goes, both his main characters (in Notes from the Underground the MC is nameless) will meet a innocent prostitute who will support them in some way and love them, which is gonna make them feel bad (because conscience will start hitting hard).

Crime and Punishment is a bit longer, so we can see how it goes. Find your redemption through faith, that's what he says. Dostoiévski himself was an avid gambler, also got arrested and sent to a camp in Omsk (Siberia), and its told that after facing death (the Tsar revoked his execution in the very same day it was about to happen) he changed.

Dostoiévski is about redemption. The lowest thought a human being could possibly have eventually leading to regret and surrender to salvation.

 

[deadmasterx]

He was a politican and their job is to lie and do propaganda. He was very good in that I guess.

Well mentioned. He was a good writer and good teacher, also a very skillful politician. The thing is, acconding to some documents my friend in History Department showed me, he was a complete *******, and absolutely nothing like his writings would suggest he would be like. The famous case of "do what I say, don't do what I do". It doesn't devalue his writings, though.

 

[manfrombelow]

There are countless philosophical works from countless philosophers of all schools to read, but if you want something practical to help you get through this thing called "life", then Stoicism, Nietzsche and Albert Camus would be quite enough. Goodluck.

 

[Epicenter]

Well mentioned. He was a good writer and good teacher, also a very skillful politician. The thing is, acconding to some documents my friend in History Department showed me, he was a complete *******, and absolutely nothing like his writings would suggest he would be like. The famous case of "do what I say, don't do what I do". It doesn't devalue his writings, though.

Yes if you make it to the top chances are you might be an ahole. Funny thing his student Nero ordered him to do suicide.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Lately I've been buying a lot of books but I find that they don't really give me the information that I want to digest. Influence by Cialdini, The Art of War, they are interesting, they're very practical. I'm not opposed to any ideologies which help further the self on a journey at all.

I'm now re-listening to this Alan Watts video, Seeing Through the Game and it seems just all-round much better. Just listening to it gives me more peace of mind.

The red pill I once took seems to be hitting me harder and harder all the time. I know a lot about the matrix outside. Studying the nature of the mind, which drives all of us as humans, seems to be exactly what was missing in my education.

Count me in! Allan Watts is def one of my mentors. Back in the day, I was all about Camus, Nietzsche, Sartre, Kafka. Nowadays, I really enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson. Not sure if he would be considered a philosopher but most of his ideas/concepts are very interesting so I consider him a mentor as well.

Modern Man Advice

 

[manfrombelow]

I like Jordan Peterson too. The guy is wise and brave af.

 

[Spaz]

This. I’ve given examples of this guys. A man learns most by pushing to the end of his rope and then demanded more. His agony and pain is his salvation. But once there, you must never go back to your old life, old friends, society as we know it is defined to make you small. You have to live in it and even rule it in some respects. But the return as different man. That little boy will finally be gone.

Read this book. Pick up a pack and travel this trail over 2100 miles through the mountains. Do it alone. Then come back and let’s talk.

You expect these men here who is encouraged to cry and then expects their babysitters here to listen to their moans with a sympathetic ear to do it ?

This forum which is a garden of ideas has turned men into gardeners instead of warriors.

And then they go out to the real world, on a daily basis, get beaten up by women, mentally and physically, of all things, only to return here in droves.

Why doesn't Sosuave work ?

Because we have failed these men.

How did we fail them ?

Because we have turned them into gardeners.

 

[Spaz]

Imagine you being a men in a women's body. Or vice versa. Or a closet gay. That might push one to the limit too. Or somebody kidnaps you and fills you up with ostrogens. These are quite some tests.

Anyway life is probably an illusion. Some atoms doing their thing.

Life is an illusion only when you live in the feminine world.

The true world is one of men and beast.

As for gays and lesbians or whatever, they don't have an identity like a man or woman has, so how can this even be applied?

I do not know the answers for these gender benders, but I do know they're in a world of hurt and there's nothing I can do for them.

 

[Epicenter]

Life is an illusion only when you live in the feminine world.

The true world is one of men and beast.

As for gays and lesbians or whatever, they don't have an identity like a man or woman has, so how can this even be applied?

I do not know the answers for these gender benders, but I do know they're in a world of hurt and there's nothing I can do for them.

Well science says we don't have free will. We are robots doing their thing. End of story. Everything else is more mental gymanstics to mitigate the pain.

 

[Spaz]

Well science says we don't have free will. We are robots doing their thing. End of story. Everything else is more mental gymanstics to mitigate the pain.

So, if u were to decide to sell drugs tomorrow, then it's because u don't hv free will and simply a robot doing ur thing.

That's a nice fantasy, I wonder how that would play out in the courtroom, would a judge be an idiot for believing it ?

Sounds similar to the one's coming out from America like, the vote is rigged and covid 19 is fake news.

You're a smart fella, could u at least expand a bit on ur theory...

 

[Epicenter]

So, if u were to decide to sell drugs tomorrow, then it's because u don't hv free will and simply a robot doing ur thing.

That's a nice fantasy, I wonder how that would play out in the courtroom, would a judge be an idiot for believing it ?

Sounds similar to the one's coming out from America like, the vote is rigged and covid 19 is fake news.

You're a smart fella, could u at least expand a bit on ur theory...

Humans are like animals. I guess it is easier to see why animals have no free will. They are basically just robots as we are.