What's up with the proliferation of incel slang on this forum?

[FuzzX]

The first time I heard that term 'incel' was when the dude with the van ran down 8 people in TO and then told everyone to subscribe to PewDiePie [who I also didn't know]. I figured incel was just a nice guy that had gone off his rocker but no, they are an identifiable group of looney toony MGTOW/ForeverAlone crazies.

I notice the terms HB and AFC are no longer in use in the forums either?!?

I just spoke to a couple kids out picking up trash, thought they were doing it for a school project. Nope, just two strange looking twenty year olds wandering around a field looking for trash and pointing at my house.... I went out and asked them if they wouldn't be better served getting jobs and getting paid to do it with some good equipment, they gave me some condescending 'hippy' answer as if the thought of cleaning up had never crossed my mind. I gotta say man, this young generation are such know it all little sh1ts and yet none of them have jobs and when asked they said "We're going to college" as if that precludes them from working. I'm reminded of this:

Myself, nor any one of my friends were ever like this in our twenties. I never looked down on the older gen, spoke to them with those tones or thought they were somehow stupid or un-educated. One of the kids, looked like a cross between an 80's rocker and a post op trannie gone wrong but I guess that's normal now. You think they'd want to be productive but no, they just want to wander around a field with a bag of trash. I really feel like incels and all this new age bs is accomplishing pretty much the same thing in terms of relationships: nothing.

 

[corrector]

Take a break from game, do things you enjoy, commiserate with your buddies about bitches (like women do about us), go see an escort, hit the gym vigorously, have interactions with girls with no intention of trying to game them. Take a couple of weeks off and see if anything changes in your outlook.

Right, visit an escort after a bad date or a string of bad rejections to remind yourself that you are not so bad that you can't even pay for it, unless you are rejected on that too (ie which is a possibility with me if the escort is racist), in which case you would really feel bad. Almost all my interactions with girls have no intentions of gaming.

This being a coping strategy for taking a break sounds like its better not to start anything in the first place. It's not healthy to pursue women with an end-game of visiting an escort after xyz rejections. On some level it sounds like a mindset with me.

 

[corrector]

The first time I heard that term 'incel' was when the dude with the van ran down 8 people in TO and then told everyone to subscribe to PewDiePie [who I also didn't know]. I figured incel was just a nice guy that had gone off his rocker but no, they are an identifiable group of looney toony MGTOW/ForeverAlone crazies.

I notice the terms HB and AFC are no longer in use in the forums either?!?

I just spoke to a couple kids out picking up trash, thought they were doing it for a school project. Nope, just two strange looking twenty year olds wandering around a field looking for trash and pointing at my house.... I went out and asked them if they wouldn't be better served getting jobs and getting paid to do it with some good equipment, they gave me some condescending 'hippy' answer as if the thought of cleaning up had never crossed my mind. I gotta say man, this young generation are such know it all little sh1ts and yet none of them have jobs and when asked they said "We're going to college" as if that precludes them from working. I'm reminded of this:

Myself, nor any one of my friends were ever like this in our twenties. I never looked down on the older gen, spoke to them with those tones or thought they were somehow stupid or un-educated. One of the kids, looked like a cross between an 80's rocker and a post op trannie gone wrong but I guess that's normal now. You think they'd want to be productive but no, they just want to wander around a field with a bag of trash. I really feel like incels and all this new age bs is accomplishing pretty much the same thing in terms of relationships: nothing.

The first time I heard about Chad was from the same van attack. Also Eliot Roger came into focus too. Did you and your wife attend the vigil?

 

[FuzzX]

The first time I heard about Chad was from the same van attack. Also Eliot Roger came into focus too. Did you and your wife attend the vigil?

Nah bro, I aint from Toronto, they're a completely different type of Canadian. WIsh I could build a wall around the place.

 

[Georgepithyou]

A bunch of Incel forums and subreddits were shut down, so a lot of the Incel Missionaries migrated here to preach their ideology

 

[corrector]

A bunch of Incel forums and subreddits were shut down, so a lot of the Incel Missionaries migrated here to preach their ideology

Not me. I got banned from old (2005-2006) incel forums and modern ones sound too racist.

 

[SW15]

Self-improvement itself can become cliche if that word is just thrown out and is tone-deaf as to what the realities are in the modern dating market or if it's not backed up by results by your own posts.

For example, you haven't had a new girl since the pandemic and you haven't portrayed cold-approach as a cake-walk if you are a 6-7, and have made various posts where social circle game didn't work, or other methods you've tried didn't work unless you persisted hard at it and scored here and there. You've also said social circle game didn't work with you. So, enlighten us and let us know about what self-improvement you did that actually lead to results APART from no-fap and no porn (ie as that would be divisive as not everyone will agree that qualifies)?

I have had sex with existing women since the pandemic started. I don't need new notches. I am having sex with existing women. That's been my pandemic strategy.

I am a 6-7 and cold approaching isn't a cake walk for me. Yes, I've dealt with a lot of shiit to get vagina. It's annoying. While I am not a beta pushover, I still deal with aggravation.

It's all based on volume. That is what people can't get through their head. They send 3 messages get no responses and then give up. Fvck 3. Send 30. Send 50. Do that for a few days and THEN make changes if it doesn't work.

It's not that hard. People simply want life to fall into their laps instead of going out and making it happen.

Then you need to put yourself in places where there is volume. There is no getting around this. You will have to figure out how.

I wouldn't say it is all based on volume. If you're doing the wrong things, volume doesn't matter. If you take a disciplined approach and attempt to do the right things, then volume becomes relevant. Regardless of using day game, night game, or swipe apps, you'll need some amount of volume to achieve something.

In the old days of online dating before swipe apps, I noticed I had to send a ton of messages to get a sufficient amount of responses. With swipe apps, I had to do a ton of swipes to get matches. My match % was likely less than 1%. I did get some amount of matches because I swiped on a huge number of women.

With day game, you'll have to do a lot of approaches to achieve anything even if you're doing the right things. It's not easy but I believe it's the best available option.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I see people talking about "Chads", "Tyrones", "money-maxxing", "looks-maxxing" (whatever the hell the means)...And my question is why? Incel ideology is antithetical to this forum. SS is all about self-improvement. Incels are basically a bunch of losers who chose to wallow in self-pity instead of pursuing self-improvement. Why would anyone want to co-opt their lexicon? Surely there are other words in the English language that one could use.

I would imagine ‘Moneymax’ and ‘Looksmax’ are, in fact, all about self-improvement.

 

[corrector]

I have had sex with existing women since the pandemic started. I don't need new notches. I am having sex with existing women. That's been my pandemic strategy.

Some would say that's a cop-out because other guys on here that are successful with women, such as @BackInTheGame78, who also claim to be a 6-7 (although I doubt looking at things in terms of numbers as it glosses over sex appeal and someone whos a 6 may have more sex appeal than someone whose a 9, etc....), are meeting women left, right and center during the pandemic.

I would still say you are at the mercy of your one or two options. If they turn on you then you have nothing and if you didn't practice any game to meet new women since the pandemic started then you are going to be rusty.

The main question is who is controlling the frame of those plates if you don't have any other options?

I am a 6-7 and cold approaching isn't a cake walk for me. Yes, I've dealt with a lot of shiit to get vagina. It's annoying. While I am not a beta pushover, I still deal with aggravation.

Of course it isn't. That's why as soon as you get something stable you are going to QUIT it. You don't care about variety and it seems like you've settled with two plates for over a year or two (almost sounds like you have an LTR with the plates, lol!)

It's not a pandemic strategy, it's just too painful. It just sucks.

Now how many successful Don Juans on here tell you to just give up game, meeting woman and settle for any plate(s) you have?

I wouldn't say it is all based on volume. If you're doing the wrong things, volume doesn't matter. If you take a disciplined approach and attempt to do the right things, then volume becomes relevant. Regardless of using day game, night game, or swipe apps, you'll need some amount of volume to achieve something.

In the old days of online dating before swipe apps, I noticed I had to send a ton of messages to get a sufficient amount of responses. With swipe apps, I had to do a ton of swipes to get matches. My match % was likely less than 1%. I did get some amount of matches because I swiped on a huge number of women.

With day game, you'll have to do a lot of approaches to achieve anything even if you're doing the right things. It's not easy but I believe it's the best available option.

The issue is you have the same negative feedback because of your looks before you are able to find someone.

I'd be curious to what type of plates you have? Are they normal kinds of girls or do they have issues?
But we must agree that the process of meeting women is as you said, an aggravation and annoying. These two plates are all you have to show for it. Why don't you just have two LTRs if you are that loyal with them? Are they sleeping with other guys and you are just dealing with them?

 

[FuzzX]

What is the scale here for men... I'm curious where I stand. 1 being what? Disfigurement like Justin from The Undateables? 10 being Val Kilmer?

 

[corrector]

Twenty years ago it was "chicks love jerks and hate nice guys."

Today it's "chicks love Chad and hate incels."

Same sense of victimhood, different decade. It's much easier to tell yourself it's out of your control than to take the steps to make your life better.

Today sort of sounds better since at least there is no character judgments being made. Jerk, Nice Guys, and Friend-zones have character-judgments, while a Chad could be either a jerk or a nice guy, and an incel could be a jerk or a nice guy. One will get girls regardless because of their looks or repel for the same reason. That's more liberating then reading books on how to act like a "good mannered jerk" to attract women. There were so many 30-day money-back e-books on that matter that it's good those days are gone!

 

[corrector]

What is the scale here for men... I'm curious where I stand. 1 being what? Disfigurement like Justin from The Undateables? 10 being Val Kilmer?

You have an Asian wife that you are active with so you are not incel. @MatureDJ is a fakecell because he just wants to date whites. If you were not white you would probably be an ethnicel like me.

 

[SW15]

Some would say that's a cop-out because other guys on here that are successful with women, such as @BackInTheGame78, who also claim to be a 6-7 (although I doubt looking at things in terms of numbers as it glosses over sex appeal and someone whos a 6 may have more sex appeal than someone whose a 9, etc....), are meeting women left, right and center during the pandemic.

One woman and I split early in the pandemic. She returned. While she was gone, I did some approaching and it was not good at all. I did contact some past plates and got some vag.

I think frequency of sex matters more than number of partners.

That's why as soon as you get something stable you are going to QUIT it. You don't care about variety and it seems like you've settled with two plates for over a year or two (almost sounds like you have an LTR with the plates, lol!)

No, I do not care for variety. My lifetime notch count is higher than most men's. This is because most men rely on LTRs for their sex and settle earlier in life. Then they put a ring on it, the wife has kids, she balloons up, and the sex become infrequent. The couple becomes glorified roommates. Those guys are not guys you ever hear from on SoSuave. I've made it into my late 30s and never married or had kids. I have had extended relationships in the 20+ years I've been dating. New notches prove little to me after a certain point but I respect the points of view of others with differing views.

Game and frame are also helpful in extending relationships. However, all relationships are transient. The shelf life of goodness of most relationships is capped at about 5 years.

I'd be curious to what type of plates you have? Are they normal kinds of girls or do they have issues?
But we must agree that the process of meeting women is as you said, an aggravation and annoying.

Which women don't have issues? My girlfriends have typically been close to my age. In recent years, I've mainly been dealing with 30 something women who are childless. Most are fit. I've approached some 20 something women too. The more substantial interactions have been with women close to my age.

Despite having a notch count that puts me near the top of most men, but possibly not near the top of SoSuave participants, I've still dealt with a lot of aggravation to achieve that.

 

[corrector]

Good post @SW15. It is good I inspired a good reply from my inquisitive posts. I will leave you alone on the matter. Kudos to you.

 

[SW15]

I see alot of guys on here saying do not lower your standards to fatties. I am wondering at what point is it beneficial to do so? If women can sense the lack of sex from a male, then would getting with fatties be more beneficial than going without? I am wondering if being seen with a fat chick in public with the fall out being a lowering of smv be more beneficial than the vibes being emitted due to a lack of sex?

The dilemma of no sex vs. sex mostly with below average looking women is something that numerous men have had to deal with. I think female obesity is related to the rise in overconsumption of porn. I think a lot of men look at their options and decide wanking to some hot porn star with big breast implants is better than sex with a below average looking woman.

Sex is better than wanking. At that point, you've got to do self-improvement enough to get with an average looking woman who isn't grossly overweight.

 

[Atom Smasher]

So you think that @SW15 has a positive attitude when his posts about cold approaching says that most women will treat you poorly for either daygame or nightgame approaches. How do you think I would feel about cold approaching if the only "relatable" guy on here says they will treat you poorly. Tell me, how do you get a good attitude about being treated poorly by women?

People may be quoted because when you are introducing any legal argument then a witness to the argument can be called in. Other posts people write can become witnesses to prove a point.

In a court-room where black-pill is on trial, it does better to simply present your case and produce the evidence rather than talk about the attitude of the other lawyer. Lawyers are supposed to have an "attitude" because they are presenting the case. Why did you select a Barrister for your alias? Aren't those the lawyers that argue in courts in the UK.?



I didn't say I was in my 50s. I'm 45. But, hey anything is possible 5 years from now. Maybe I'll become a Don Juan at 50 right?

You might. I did just that.

 

[metalwater]

I've got 18 rejections and one date with a rejection after the fact. It comforts me knowing that those 19 females will probably be screaming "where are all the good men at???" when they are 32. Their egos are so inflated that they think they can ride the **** carousel forever. The wall is coming at them hard and fast! Men don't have to worry about the wall until what, 55? When men gray it looks distinguished, when women gray it looks haggard.

wall for men, maybe at 80.. don't know many doing well in the 80s, but 70+ sure. 50 and 60, np.

 

[SW15]

I think I am emitting vibes that make fatties comfortable hitting on me while 6-7 smv females don't. I am 5ft6 154lbs. Been lifting for a couple years. I am like 10lbs overweight. I should not be having just fatties hit on me. I am thinking screw it and get with them so I can start emitting better vibes to more attractive women.

Most guys don't get hit on much. In 20+ years in the mating environment, I've been approached by women in real life ~5 times. Once when I was 21, a 45 year old who had grandchildren hit on me. Female approachers don't tend to be the 6-7 range, which are cute but not spectacular looking females. The 6-7 range gets approached a ton by men so they don't feel the need to approach men.

@sangheilios is a 6'4" muscular guy who has had fatties hit on him.

Women hitting on you isn't a valuable indicator.

I've got 18 rejections and one date with a rejection after the fact. It comforts me knowing that those 19 females will probably be screaming "where are all the good men at???" when they are 32. Their egos are so inflated that they think they can ride the **** carousel forever. The wall is coming at them hard and fast! Men don't have to worry about the wall until what, 55? When men gray it looks distinguished, when women gray it looks haggard.

You might be right about those 19 females. "One date, no sex, no second date" instances are common. That most frequently occurs from website or swipe app generated dates. The idea behind doing approaches in person is to get a sense of the in-person dynamic before offering an extended date where you'll have to pay for her alcoholic drinks or the activity. The idea is to go on fewer dates but more high quality dates that lead to something beyond "one date, no sex, no second date". Ideally, these dates lead to extended relationships of 6 months or longer.

One of the best looking women at my high school had grey streaks in her hair before her 35th birthday. She had a ring and babies by then.

The wall for most women is softer than we think. A typical childless 35 year old has a long queue of potential matches on a swipe app if she uses one. She's getting DMs for dates/sex on some combination of Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. She might even be getting some real life approaches.

The wall for most men is harder than we think. Most men in their 30s and 40s fail to attract women substantially younger than they are. Most 30s/40s men are scavenging through low quality options looking for extended relationships that they hope will give them vag. While it's good to stay in shape in your 30s, 40s, and early 50s, it is mostly unrealistic to expect to be a 50 year old man with a 25-30 year old girlfriend. As a 35 year old man, I didn't see women close to my age (32-35) clamoring to get with me any more than when I was 25 and dealing with 22-25 year olds. 32-37 year old women have more options than we think they do.

 

[FuzzX]

I think I am emitting vibes that make fatties comfortable hitting on me while 6-7 smv females don't. I am 5ft6 154lbs. Been lifting for a couple years. I am like 10lbs overweight. I should not be having just fatties hit on me. I am thinking screw it and get with them so I can start emitting better vibes to more attractive women.

Fatties have no shame and they're often the ones to first come out and tell you all about their sex drive. They are essentially YOUR simps.

 

[B80]

Someone on here mentioned 'chincel' the other month, referring to a guy at the gym with no chin