Author claims that the roots of the Incel meme is PUA

[MatureDJ]

The Deadly Incel Movement’s Absurd Pop Culture Roots

From a cheesy VH1 reality show to mass killing

gen.medium.com

Lots of good snippets of PUA game here too! Did you not expect a femynist author to not lump PUA in with the Incels?

 

[Georgepithyou]

She's not wrong though, This incel movement started from a website called Puahate which eventually evolved into Sluthate after one of it's users was behind the isla Vista shootings.
The site has another offshoot called lookism. Today we have more incels then ever before.

 

[corrector]

She's not wrong though, This incel movement started from a website called Puahate which eventually evolved into Sluthate after one of it's users was behind the isla Vista shootings.
The site has another offshoot called lookism. Today we have more incels then ever before.

I don't remember it that way. There were forum websites like this one that have existed since 2005 (which I was banned at least twice from, and actually met a black girl and went out with her briefly, from there too). I don't recall Puahate as being an "incel" board, or was that in my radar at that time, or was even discussed much on whatever incel forum I was in.

What I remember is some guy put up some website that contained allot of pages with some common sense advice with meeting women, and it had a link to a forum. There was another incel website made up after that one at the time. There was also a wikipedia page of it. So, unless there is a Mandela Effect or something going on here, your version is definitely not what I remember. There were some colourful characters on it, like a guy from England who complained he had too much social anxiety to visit a prostitute.

In terms of there being more incels today than before, I don't think a movie like 40 Year Old Virgin would mean anything today and would probably be a flop compared to the mid 00s when the zeitgeist at the time support those type of movies.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Pua hate was a series of incel that tried 1 pickup and gave up. like the guy who ran people over in Germany.

 

[Alvafe]

Whatever. What can we start calling women who are involuntarily single? Inmaids?

True, they won't often resort to violence like some angry incels. But maybe it's time to start marginalizing them just as equally. For equality.

we call then cat ladys

 

[DSterlen]

The article summed up:
"2 psychopaths killed a bunch of people, therefore men are trash, it's all Mystery's fault!"
They seriously take a single solitary nutcase and brand the entire RP as murderers. That was a painful read, and why I never could read Medium.

I'm sure it's out there somewhere else but does anyone know the story with the Roosh legalized r*** brouhaha? Did he actually say that **** or did they latch on to some weird comment and twist it into something else?

 

[zekko]

I don't recall Puahate as being an "incel" board, or was that in my radar at that time, or was even discussed much on whatever incel forum I was in.

I read the PUAHate forum once in awhile for entertainment value. One of the main things that struck me was how similar their advice was to the regular red pill sites. They seemed to be saying a lot of the same things, but they had a bigger dose of cynicism.

The other thing I remember is there was a lot of funny snarking about the major players/seduction companies of the day.

 

[corrector]

I read the PUAHate forum once in awhile for entertainment value. One of the main things that struck me was how similar their advice was to the regular red pill sites. They seemed to be saying a lot of the same things, but they had a bigger dose of cynicism.

The other thing I remember is there was a lot of funny snarking about the major players/seduction companies of the day.

Then its the first blackpill site?

 

[Georgepithyou]

Then its the first blackpill site?

Black pill is never getting out of the red pill anger phase, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[eli77]

some people use sites like these for hate some dont it was bound to happen anyone remember neil strauss?

 

[rjc149]

Whatever. What can we start calling women who are involuntarily single? Inmaids?

The term is actually spinster.

 

[MatureDJ]

Then its the first blackpill site?

I'd call it the first maroonpill site - but yes, it seems that virtually all blackpillers have tried PUA, which of course did not work for them.

 

[zekko]

I'd call it the first maroonpill site - but yes, it seems that virtually all blackpillers have tried PUA, which of course did not work for them.

Just curious here, why do you think it didn't work for them?

 

[Velasco]

Just curious here, why do you think it didn't work for them?

In order to **** a girl. you need to:

• Assume she likes you (even if she didn't look your way or gave you any indicators that she might like you).

And she needs to be:

• Attracted to you (she may have not noticed you ("no indicator that she might like you" ) cuz she was on her phone texting her friends/looking for her friends/reading a book, when you went up to her).
• Sexually Available (no boyfriend/husband (but even if she do got a boyfriend, she's not really THAT into him).

Those are the prerequisites.

All that's left is letting her know through your words and actions, that you're someone who gets it. and then taking her home.

(from there, only thing that prevent it from going down is getting ****blocked by logistics/friends).

Why it didn't work out for the blackpillers (or anyone else) is cuz they didn't do or have any of the above prerequisites.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Whatever. What can we start calling women who are involuntarily single? Inmaids?

True, they won't often resort to violence like some angry incels. But maybe it's time to start marginalizing them just as equally. For equality.

If a guy fails its his full responsibility wheter its on his everyday tasks or with women.

If a woman fails its never her fault wheter its job related (gender discriminations) or with men (men are _add random insult_).

 

[zekko]

Why it didn't work out for the blackpillers (or anyone else) is cuz they didn't do or have any of the above prerequisites.

So the formula is 1) you have to think she likes you, and 2) She has to be attracted to you.
This kind of proves the blackpillers right, because if they are not attractive, that eliminates the second prerequisite.

Of course, if they have a crappy attitude (including about themselves), that helps kill #2 also.

 

[Mike32ct]

So the formula is 1) you have to think she likes you, and 2) She has to be attracted to you.
This kind of proves the blackpillers right, because if they are not attractive, that eliminates the second prerequisite.

Of course, if they have a crappy attitude (including about themselves), that helps kill #2 also.

I agree completely that a bad attitude would prevent #1. If the guy has a negative/defeatist attitude, then certainly it would be difficult for him to "assume attraction." #1 necessarily requires optimism.

As for a bad attitude affecting #2, I'm not so sure.

Women can be attracted to jerks and angry/violent men, but if a (physically) less attractive guy is a bit quiet/negative/depressed, suddenly his ATTITUDE is the cause of women not being attracted lol. I have a hard time squaring up both of those in my mind.

TLDR: I think women judge a guy's looks first and his vibe/attitude second. If you don't pass the first, the second is rendered moot. Even if you do pass the first, the second is not so critical.

 

[Velasco]

If you hesitantly approach a chick who likes your look, thinking she wouldn't go for you, you'll end up messing it up.

If you approach a chick who doesn't like your look/isn't sexually available, thinking she'd go for you, you'll end up getting rejected.

The blackpillers who got nowhere with PUA mainly failed here.

The ones who got passed this stage, messed it up by doing a bad job conveying to girls that they're someone who gets it.

don't see anything controversial about this.

 

[zekko]

Women can be attracted to jerks and angry/violent men, but if a (physically) less attractive guy is a bit quiet/negative/depressed, suddenly his ATTITUDE is the cause of women not being attracted lol.

Good point. I was thinking more in the terms of a guy's attitude maybe affecting his hygiene, grooming, and body language, and maybe coming off as bitter and insecure. It's such a feedback loop. Guys who are physically unattractive get negative feedback, which makes them less confident, which makes them less attractive, which makes them less confident. More attractive guys get positive feedback, which makes them more confident, which makes them more attractive, etc.

The ones who got passed this stage, messed it up by doing a bad job conveying to girls that they're someone who gets it.

Okay, so now you have to 1) Be liked, 2) Be attractive, and 3) Show that you "get it".

 

[Mike32ct]

Good point. I was thinking more in the terms of a guy's attitude maybe affecting his hygiene, grooming, and body language, and maybe coming off as bitter and insecure. It's such a feedback loop. Guys who are physically unattractive get negative feedback, which makes them less confident, which makes them less attractive, which makes them less confident. More attractive guys get positive feedback, which makes them more confident, which makes them more attractive, etc.

Agreed. I was thinking more in terms of women trying to "mind-read" the guy. But yes, it can definitely physically show as well through poor hygiene, slumped posture and many other things; and that is certainly a turn off.