Young women vs Older women

[BadBoy89]

All the confusion and questions on this site are regarding young hot women. Generally dont see men coming on here saying “She is 37 divorced and has one son, what do I do?”

How come men know instinctively know how to act with less attractive or older women, but when they are young and hot, they get confused? Her biology is the same. She is still fertile. He can still have sex with her. Why do men behave differently? It is because her value that has been artificially pumped up by society? She is more in demand? As long he is attracted he is attracted, but hes much more likely to be careful not to screw up with a 26 year old he’s attracted to than a 38 year old he’s attracted to.

Ive done it myself. Will treat older women much worse than younger ones, even though I’m attracted to both and can have kids with both.

Thoughts?

 

[Juanto]

im guessing biology, in the sense that we are more attracted to the more fertile ones.

 

[SW15]

I agree with your premise. You'd be surprised how in demand a 33-39 year old can be, especially if she's childless.

Young, attractive women have the highest value. Men perceive that. While there are attractive 35 year old women, a lot of men, a typical 35-40 year old man won't be as concerned about keeping her than keeping a 25 year old.

 

[AttackFormation]

Younger women are you are mostly dealing with navigating their many options with a few mental health wrinkes thrown in, older women it is readily apparent that she is just damaged period.

Are you gonna travel anywhere this year, or are you stuck over there working off whatever you needed to?

 

[derby1]

At the age of 36 with one child, I managed to get a 26 year old childless blonde out, this last week.

It was the worst experience of my life. Her attitude, conversation skills, and just general aura, had been destroyed by all the online validation she receives, and made her undate-able.

Ive noticed also they are power hungry, they would rather commit to a beta male who moves in their crib. and doesnt give them any hassle whatsoever so they can upload constant selfies etc to their orbiters

 

[Black Widow Void]

All the confusion and questions on this site are regarding young hot women. Generally dont see men coming on here saying “She is 37 divorced and has one son, what do I do?”

I'd bet money that a lot of these postings deal with 37ish divorced women with kids. Because there's some bone-head members that froth at the mouth for the opportunity to put down others, these members probably 'dress up their postings' with HB9 and "one of my plates" etc... but in reality, they aren't.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

I treat them all the same/approach them the same regardless of age. There's no such thing as 'younger girl game', 'older women game', etc. That's just a myth dating coaches peddle so they can sell you their products like 'How to pick up younger women', 'How to pull MILFs' etc. It does not exist. The fundamental principles of attraction apply to all age groups of women.

 

[BadBoy89]

I treat them all the same/approach them the same regardless of age. There's no such thing as 'younger girl game', 'older women game', etc. That's just a myth dating coaches peddle so they can sell you their products like 'How to pick up younger women', 'How to pull MILFs' etc. It does not exist. The fundamental principles of attraction apply to all age groups of women.

Possibly true.

Yet men treat a 26 year old woman would much better than a 37 year old woman. An older women may be better for stimulating dinner conversation, but for sex and family, men want the hottest youngest thing possible.

 

[Romanemp22]

All the confusion and questions on this site are regarding young hot women. Generally dont see men coming on here saying “She is 37 divorced and has one son, what do I do?”

How come men know instinctively know how to act with less attractive or older women, but when they are young and hot, they get confused? Her biology is the same. She is still fertile. He can still have sex with her. Why do men behave differently? It is because her value that has been artificially pumped up by society? She is more in demand? As long he is attracted he is attracted, but hes much more likely to be careful not to screw up with a 26 year old he’s attracted to than a 38 year old he’s attracted to.

Ive done it myself. Will treat older women much worse than younger ones, even though I’m attracted to both and can have kids with both.

Thoughts?

You missed out my thread about 50yo woman. I date younger and older women.

 

[Kotaix]

How come men know instinctively know how to act with less attractive or older women, but when they are young and hot, they get confused? Her biology is the same. She is still fertile. He can still have sex with her. Why do men behave differently? It is because her value that has been artificially pumped up by society? She is more in demand? As long he is attracted he is attracted, but hes much more likely to be careful not to screw up with a 26 year old he’s attracted to than a 38 year old he’s attracted to.

A younger woman is more fertile, she has more intrinsic value than the older woman in this sense. This isn't artificial. She can conceive much more easily and is at less risk of producing a child with health problems.

Being careful of screwing up is precisely the problem. Men give too much of a fvck about banging the hot young woman and start betraying their own true nature in order to get into her pants. This turns them into betas and lands them in the friend zone.

With older women, we can always go out and find someone younger and hotter so we naturally act from the abundance mindset.

 

[TheNewStyle123]

I'm 28 and prefer around my age or older honestly. 2 plates I'm spinning are 32/33 and one of them has 2 kids, but I could care less. To me, I can have a better connection/conversation with them as they have more life experience. I'm not saying I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to f!ck a 21 year old HB9 (I'm sure none of us would), but it's not an age group I would typically go after.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

I treat them all the same now. I guess back when I was just starting out after my divorce, I was probably less intimidated by women closer to my own age vs young hot women, but that dynamic quickly went away with experience.

I believe the difference is that the younger women have an artificial confidence that causes them to put men on the defensive. I say "artificial" because their confidence isn't internal; it isn't based on their belief in themselves - instead they are just used to guys throwing themselves at them, trying to manipulate them (like nice-guys who fake platonic interest in order to try to get into their pants) and have experienced that since they were 14. This leads them to de-value men and also be a bit abrasive, skeptical, and apathetic. Combine that with youthful beauty and it triggers the problem-solving male brain into high-gear.... "I MUST have her! She's a prize!!! Such a challenge and SO beautiful! The woman of my dreams!"

But after you've dated enough hot women in their early 20's, you realize that they are nothing to be pedestalized. 97% of young hot woman have nothing more to offer than youthful beauty. That's great for sex and all, but after you get to the point where you are able to reliably have sex with hot young women regularly, you realize it's not that special. Don't get me wrong, it's nice and all, but it's not some rare commodity and as such, you just don't get confused about its true value.

The older women tend to be the chasers and tend to be a lot more straight forward with you, so of course you won't need to be asking questions about gaming because she's making it easy for you. All the women I've dated closer to my own age have pursued me, haven't played any games, and have made their interest pretty clear. Through their years of experience, most of these women are better at quickly recognizing high-value men (while the younger women are still trying to figure it out and avoid getting gamed by low-value guys which leads to the sh*t tests and attitude etc), so when they see it, they don't fvck around and they hunt you down like a lioness.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Under 25 years old and she’s going to be a headache to deal with.

I’m 36, and I’ll take the beautiful blonde 32 year old anyday, over the 24 year old.

Why do people say this? I haven't found older women to be any easier to deal with than younger ones, in fact I often find the opposite to be true.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why do people say this? I haven't found older women to be any easier to deal with than younger ones, in fact I often find the opposite to be true.

Personally I find most younger women to be boring and lacking in conversational skills.

 

[rjc149]

This forum is largely rooted in the attraction philosophy of a man who writes under the nom de plume "Rollo Tomassi," the Godfather of the Manosphere. ("Rollo Tomassi" originates from the neo-noir movie LA Confidential which is based on James Ellroy's novel of the same name)

Rollo Tomassi indeed coined many of the terms in regular use on this forum, "taking the red pill" "spinning plates" etc. In his "landmark" book The Rational Male, he broadly categorizes women largely as automatons who all act and behave in the same way -- fulfilling the "female imperative" which is to pursue a hypergamous mating strategy, in order to self-actualize at the expense of all but the top 1% of men.

This hypergamous mating strategy is two-sided: "alpha fvcks" ie. fornicating with the strongest males for superior genetic reproduction, and "beta bux" ie. nesting with a more compliant, subservient male for his provisioning ability and long-term security for her offspring.

A feature of this broad-strokes categorization of the female gender is Rollo Tomassi's assertion that women aged 18-23, being the most fertile and sexually attractive, are the only ones with any value to men, and to society. They are also primarily pursuing the "alpha fvcks" mating strategy.

A 37-year old single mother, however, is pursuing the "beta bux" mating strategy. Thus, she is "leftover" and only seeking a beta male to bankroll her and her kids. She is therefore not only completely worthless to society, but partnering with her is self-emasculating.

Hence, why those seeking advice on dating a 37-year old single mother is met with the typical replies from posters here "never date single mothers, that's beta, you're a beta cuck, 40-something men should still be banging college girls" etc.

That's why you don't see a lot of guys here asking for advice on older women.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Depends on what you're conversing about. Younger intellectual women destroy older women conducting glorified small talk ime. Tbh I would prefer no conversation to stories about doing chores from older women.

I don't let them talk about that stuff. As a man, I believe leading includes leading the conversation when need be.

 

[christie]

This forum is largely rooted in the attraction philosophy of a man who writes under the nom de plume "Rollo Tomassi," the Godfather of the Manosphere. ("Rollo Tomassi" originates from the neo-noir movie LA Confidential which is based on James Ellroy's novel of the same name)

Rollo Tomassi indeed coined many of the terms in regular use on this forum, "taking the red pill" "spinning plates" etc. In his "landmark" book The Rational Male, he broadly categorizes women largely as automatons who all act and behave in the same way -- fulfilling the "female imperative" which is to pursue a hypergamous mating strategy, in order to self-actualize at the expense of all but the top 1% of men.

This hypergamous mating strategy is two-sided: "alpha fvcks" ie. fornicating with the strongest males for superior genetic reproduction, and "beta bux" ie. nesting with a more compliant, subservient male for his provisioning ability and long-term security for her offspring.

A feature of this broad-strokes categorization of the female gender is Rollo Tomassi's assertion that women aged 18-23, being the most fertile and sexually attractive, are the only ones with any value to men, and to society. They are also primarily pursuing the "alpha fvcks" mating strategy.

A 37-year old single mother, however, is pursuing the "beta bux" mating strategy. Thus, she is "leftover" and only seeking a beta male to bankroll her and her kids. She is therefore not only completely worthless to society, but partnering with her is self-emasculating.

Hence, why those seeking advice on dating a 37-year old single mother is met with the typical replies from posters here "never date single mothers, that's beta, you're a beta cuck, 40-something men should still be banging college girls" etc.

That's why you don't see a lot of guys here asking for advice on older women.

there was a couple of profiles started recently that all had three numbers. Are you all coincidentally in some education class?
What I just read sounds like part of an essay you might have submitted to a class.

 

[rjc149]

there was a couple of profiles started recently that all had three numbers. Are you all coincidentally in some education class?
What I just read sounds like part of an essay you might have submitted to a class.

Haha no, my school days are long behind me. And I’m not sure any school offers a course that studies the posting habits on So Suave.

Rollo Tomassi relies heavily on the appearance of erudition to give his viewpoints and arguments legitimacy. I’m doing the same.

 

[christie]

Haha no, my school days are long behind me. And I’m not sure any school offers a course that studies the posting habits on So Suave.

Rollo Tomassi relies heavily on the appearance of erudition to give his viewpoints and arguments legitimacy. I’m doing the same.

Yes, you're right. He also helps a lot of guys privately and I think for free so he has all that anecdotal evidence too to pull from. I'm sure he reads here regularly even if he doesn't post that often. I just peeked at his profile this morning after listening to a couple of youtube chats with Tate.
On his profile, his hyperlink to his comment on his new book explains how he changed his language style in writing that book

 

[SW15]

In my experience, the younger ones tend to want constant validation. And they've got 4 other dudes in the picture at all times.

Plenty of 40-something women are juggling multiple men on swipe apps.

That's why you don't see a lot of guys here asking for advice on older women.

I'm surprised we're not talking about older, childless women all that much. The ranks of older Millennial women who are childless (think 1982-1989 births, now 32-39) is growing a lot. The oldest Millennials were the first large wave of some of the worst trends in dating.

What are your thoughts on 32-39 year old childless women?