Video - why a lot of Men are in a weak state today

[Travel memoir21]

What this dude says is spot on. Modern technology made everything into an instant gratification culture. Things like Porn hub, social media, instant dopamine through technology are making things a lot worse in this feminize culture.

Interesting vid, thought I'd share.

 

[SW15]

Good video. Swiping and texting to get laid, approaching strangers to get laid, or building a social circle to get laid are all much more difficult than porn on tube sites.

 

[Romanemp22]

Good video. Swiping and texting to get laid, approaching strangers to get laid, or building a social circle to get laid are all much more difficult than porn on tube sites.

Porn addicts are also in most cases depressed people and also anxious. It's proven.

 

[SW15]

Porn addicts are also in most cases depressed people and also anxious. It's proven.

That makes sense. Not getting vagina and emotional fulfillment from a female attached to a vagina will cause anxiety issues. Depression is possible too.

 

[Travel memoir21]

Good video. Swiping and texting to get laid, approaching strangers to get laid, or building a social circle to get laid are all much more difficult than porn on tube sites.

I just got back from a morning outing and approached two girls. One was at a coffee shop barista and the other was a chick at a park having a hard time with her dog. The way I opened was half ass and they did not really understand it at first, I was dressed in really baggy hipster clothes with a beanie on and basically look like a hobo. But I still went up and approached and they reacted favorably. It's all about just taking initiative and just doing it. I think I might start an approach day game journal in the future with these interactions.

 

[corrector]

That video is pre-covid.

 

[Travel memoir21]

That video is pre-covid.

Does it matter? Men are doing more porn than ever because of Covid.

 

[SW15]

Does it matter? Men are doing more porn than ever because of Covid.

It does not matter at all.

 

[eli77]

I just got back from a morning outing and approached two girls. One was at a coffee shop barista and the other was a chick at a park having a hard time with her dog. The way I opened was half ass and they did not really understand it at first, I was dressed in really baggy hipster clothes with a beanie on and basically look like a hobo. But I still went up and approached and they reacted favorably. It's all about just taking initiative and just doing it. I think I might start an approach day game journal in the future with these interactions.

good for you wish some of my high schools buddies did this now most are divorced or wishing they were

 

[corrector]

Does it matter? Men are doing more porn than ever because of Covid.

Yes it does because there is a risk of catching this if you go out of the house. All of the issues with covid is encouraging people to stay home period. If you are staying home then you are prone to occupy your mind with entertainment, and technology has just made the virtual more realistic than ever before. You can work from home, go to school from home, everything, from home.

The point of the video is to go OUTSIDE the home. You have basically a government pass for dopamine release. You are doing the public a service by doing your part and staying home. Whatever you do at home doesn't matter since you are not contributing to the overall pandemic and are saving lives.

Apart from that, I respect what you are saying. My viewpoint against porn/fapping is 100% religious and I feel appealing to science is a cop-out in dealing with something that should be treated in a religious matter. Without porn/fapping being religiously defined as wrong, I simply don't see anything wrong with it outside of that context.

The core point is that isn't all of that a black-pill cope?

 

[zekko]

My viewpoint against porn/fapping is 100% religious and I feel appealing to science is a cop-out in dealing with something that should be treated in a religious matter. Without porn/fapping being religiously defined as wrong, I simply don't see anything wrong with it outside of that context.

Pornography is arguably harmful from a practical standpoint also. There have been studies about how all the quick dopamine hits can mess up your ability to be aroused by a single woman or without getting freaky, it can be very harmful to relationships. Simply fapping outside of porn is less harmful IMO, but my main issue with it is that it's a waste of time. It's not productive. You see guys talk about fapping something like 10 times a day or more.

As for religion, I think most behavior that is advocated by Christianity have practical reasons behind it. It's not just arbitrarily "Don't do this because you might have fun". I can't speak for other religions because I'm not as familiar with them.

 

[corrector]

Pornography is arguably harmful from a practical standpoint also. There have been studies about how all the quick dopamine hits can mess up your ability to be aroused by a single woman or without getting freaky, it can be very harmful to relationships.

You can get quick dopamine hits from other sources though? I would disqualify relationships as an issue because the video is portraying a guy that's not meeting women or getting laid in the first place. These cases you can see porn is some type of escape to cope with not having a woman. If you are in a relationship and look at porn then I wouldn't see looking at that as valid. In fact, it could be a type of coveting because you already have something and should not want more. These dynamics don't exist if there is no woman and you are on a deserted island and you are by yourself.

Being aroused by a single woman is not really helpful unless you are able to act on it, in terms of socializing, flirting, approaching ,etc.... If arousal means you just memorize a woman to fap on her when you get home, then that doesn't really mean anything. The only thing that fixes a cognitive dissonance of being aroused and not acting or being able to act in a social way is not to be aroused in the first place.

Simply fapping outside of porn is less harmful IMO, but my main issue with it is that it's a waste of time. It's not productive. You see guys talk about fapping something like 10 times a day or more.

I don't know fapping that frequently. But I digress, this video seems to be intended for young adults that have the energy of youth to go out there and make it happen. Most people here may be in the younger category, and it's unlikely that someone over 40 y/o, my age or older is going to really fap 10 times a day still. The libido isn't high enough to support that.

So you feel people's youth are being wasted because of technology? Do you see a different set of rules for youthful people that have potential, and others who are washed up?

As for religion, I think most behavior that is advocated by Christianity have practical reasons behind it. It's not just arbitrarily "Don't do this because you might have fun". I can't speak for other religions because I'm not as familiar with them.

It's arbitrary because understanding a command or not is not a prerequisite to obedience. Everybody is going to apply things in a different way. People's definition of porn is going to be different. To someone, porn may mean hardcore pornography with all sorts of deviant acts. To others, it may be looking at a woman in a bikini running on a beach, escort ads, or provocative poses, or fapping instructions from MILFS/GILFS/daughters, etc.... Fapping is going to be different to different people. Some may be 10 times a day, others may be once per other day or once a week or once in a while. Practicality is going to be VARIABLE, depending on how its applied. Religion (ie. fundamentalist Christianity) is going to be ABSOLUTE, that if you do it ONCE, you are in TROUBLE, and you have to solve it by seeking forgiveness, because then you've added a sin to your soul that could send you to hell or miss the rapture. There is no discretion where you can, as an adult, gauge or limit the practical effects, because lust is wrong in principle, whether you look at porn, or imagine it, or what you do. The only solution in such cases is to have deliverance whereby the offending behaviour is solved by the desire *poof* going away for good.

 

[zekko]

I would disqualify relationships as an issue because the video is portraying a guy that's not meeting women or getting laid in the first place.

The point I was making was that porn has the potential at least to make it hard to perform, because normal sex might not provide the stimulation the brain is used to getting from porn. I know you're talking about guys who don't get any, and that's fair enough, but porn could also be a crutch to keep socially awkward guys from getting out there.

As for the Christianity issue, I don't claim to be an expert, but I don't see the scriptural evidence that there's anything wrong with fapping. I know some will preach that there is (and again, I'm not expert), but I've always been of the mindset that such things are not really a problem if kept in moderation. Some will also preach that drinking alcohol is sinful, but I've never bought that. Jesus turned water into wine. Some will say "No, that's grape juice", but I don't buy that either. Again, moderation. Drunkenness is not good.

Then of course Christians do not live under the Law, because if you live under the Law you are condemned (since we all fall short). Christians live under grace, Christ is our perfection. Which is not a license to sin, because if you have true faith you don't want to abuse God's grace.

 

[MatureDJ]

You see guys talk about fapping something like 10 times a day or more.

I once found a video that wasn't even porn - it was from a Latin American TV show, but definitely something that the American femynists wouldn't allow, LOL - and I had to fap 5 times over 2 days before I got it out my system. Mamacita!

 

[MatureDJ]

The point I was making was that porn has the potential at least to make it hard to perform, because normal sex might not provide the stimulation the brain is used to getting from porn. I know you're talking about guys who don't get any, and that's fair enough, but porn could also be a crutch to keep socially awkward guys from getting out there.

As for the Christianity issue, I don't claim to be an expert, but I don't see the scriptural evidence that there's anything wrong with fapping. I know some will preach that there is (and again, I'm not expert), but I've always been of the mindset that such things are not really a problem if kept in moderation. Some will also preach that drinking alcohol is sinful, but I've never bought that. Jesus turned water into wine. Some will say "No, that's grape juice", but I don't buy that either. Again, moderation. Drunkenness is not good.

Then of course Christians do not live under the Law, because if you live under the Law you are condemned (since we all fall short). Christians live under grace, Christ is our perfection. Which is not a license to sin, because if you have true faith you don't want to abuse God's grace.

The official line from boy's Catholic school curricula is that the "Thou shalt not commit adultery" commandment covers fornication and fapping.

 

[SW15]

Porn and fap are the worst things you can do. At 18-25, it's possible to consistently fap 2-3 times a day with the occasional 5+ fap days. 25-early 30s, it's possible to average around 1.5-2 faps per day.

Big dopamine hits that can affect real life sex.

No porn and no fap are the best ways to fix a real life sex problem, both in terms of the motivation to go out and get vagina and performance with a woman once you've gotten a woman back home.

Men turn to porn/fap if their approaches are failing and the rejections are piling up.

 

[RickTheToad]

I think the video is a bit weak in some ways. However, in terms of work or problems and dudes giving up, yea, I can see that. But it's not just dudes, females give up without trying too. So, the premise of the video should had been on people, not just dudes in the 21st century.

 

[corrector]

I know you're talking about guys who don't get any, and that's fair enough, but porn could also be a crutch to keep socially awkward guys from getting out there.

Rejection and failure and covid keeps guys from getting out there. Also keep in mind, in my specific issue I look at escort pics. Is it not better to look at escort pics rather than actually visit one? If I visited real escorts rather than fap to escort pics would thay really kill the motivation to go after civie women? Visiting escorts is not porn or fapping and yet that can be a crutch that kills motivation. That was not covered on this video at all. (The guy in thr video could have called an escort over)

As for the Christianity issue, I don't claim to be an expert, but I don't see the scriptural evidence that there's anything wrong with fapping. I know some will preach that there is (and again, I'm not expert), but I've always been of the mindset that such things are not really a problem if kept in moderation.

But we are talking abouy the lusting behind the fapping.

Then of course Christians do not live under the Law, because if you live under the Law you are condemned (since we all fall short). Christians live under grace, Christ is our perfection. Which is not a license to sin, because if you have true faith you don't want to abuse God's grace.

Of course. Obviously we dont get punished and just die and go to hell because of fapping (unledd you get an anyirism while you are doing it) so my experience with God is He does not operate that way. But I have seen a fair share of videos that would give me doubts that this is a safe pet sin to keep maintaining in the long run. I dont think an ongoing pet secret sin is going to make any believer feel assured they will make it to heaven if it remains unconfessed and unrepented of. Unless you are in the once saved always saved, or your botn again spirit is protected from sins of the soul and body, or that simple.acknowledgment of a set of facts about Jesus is enough and you can live as you please...then you cant have a pet sin in moderation. It would have to be totally eradicated in order to fulfill and confirm the salvation.

 

[corrector]

Men turn to porn/fap if their approaches are failing and the rejections are piling up.

Agreed with just this.

What about the over 40 crowd? You just went up to the early thirties.

 

[corrector]

The official line from boy's Catholic school curricula is that the "Thou shalt not commit adultery" commandment covers fornication and fapping.

Went to an all boys school too. Anyway catholics dont believe in incel because they may say just become a monk or a priest if that is the case, right? They celebrate celibacy. Therefore being incel should lead to priesthood abd seminary, not.viewing porn. Maybe this is what some catholic incels did in the past to cope.