The Final Word on Looks

[Atom Smasher]

“Do looks matter?”

Ahh... the age-old question that every man wonders about.

I believe I have developed an understanding of why this debate rages on, and why the two sides are poles apart.

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

As an example, take a man we would consider a “6”. If a woman sees that he has maxed out what God has given him, he’s just as acceptable looks-wise to her as a non maxed-out “8” is. While we men rate looks using a pretty much universal 1-10 scale, women rate men not on a universal scale, but rather on an individual scale.

While our scale is objective, women’s scales are subjective. If you are a man who has made himself look as good as he can with what God gave him, then you have that area covered and women will give you every chance to see if you can make them FEEL attraction. Looks are no longer a barrier.

If you are a “5” and a woman sees that you are dumpy and don’t respect yourself by presenting yourself well, you will be repulsive to her. If, on the other hand, you are naturally a “5” but you present yourself well (clothing, body language, fitness, SHOES), the barrier of entry vanished and she will be open to you. At that point it’s all about whether or not you can make her feel that attraction through your verbal skills.

If you think of yourself as a lowly 3, 4, 5, or 6, and consider yourself out of the running because of your looks, you can reverse that by presenting the best “you” to the world. Never forget that a woman will give such men a chance if they see that he pays attention to how he presents himself. They judge not so much on innate, objective looks, as much as they do on what a man does with what he has.

Of course there are plenty of women who will judge on an objective, Hollywood-inspired scale, but there are plenty more who judge based on an individual’s presentation of his natural self.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Research has constantly shown the same thing over and over.

The less a woman has spent time interacting with you and getting to know you, the more looks matter since that is really all she knows about you at that point.

This is why guys who are not great looking can end up with hot chicks...because they might be in the same social circle and they have gotten to know them and become comfortable with them and they find other things attractive about them.

 

[Medina]

Tall, dark & handsome

Women have been saying it for 100 years bro

Or perhaps men have just chosen not to listen.. which is also a good move. However, a good looking man is still accepted by default, by women. The rest of society has to offer more

 

[Bigpapa]

“Do looks matter?”

Ahh... the age-old question that every man wonders about.

I believe I have developed an understanding of why this debate rages on, and why the two sides are poles apart.

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

As an example, take a man we would consider a “6”. If a woman sees that he has maxed out what God has given him, he’s just as acceptable looks-wise to her as a non maxed-out “8” is. While we men rate looks using a pretty much universal 1-10 scale, women rate men not on a universal scale, but rather on an individual scale.

While our scale is objective, women’s scales are subjective. If you are a man who has made himself look as good as he can with what God gave him, then you have that area covered and women will give you every chance to see if you can make them FEEL attraction. Looks are no longer a barrier.

If you are a “5” and a woman sees that you are dumpy and don’t respect yourself by presenting yourself well, you will be repulsive to her. If, on the other hand, you are naturally a “5” but you present yourself well (clothing, body language, fitness, SHOES), the barrier of entry vanished and she will be open to you. At that point it’s all about whether or not you can make her feel that attraction through your verbal skills.

If you think of yourself as a lowly 3, 4, 5, or 6, and consider yourself out of the running because of your looks, you can reverse that by presenting the best “you” to the world. Never forget that a woman will give such men a chance if they see that he pays attention to how he presents himself. They judge not so much on innate, objective looks, as much as they do on what a man does with what he has.

Of course there are plenty of women who will judge on an objective, Hollywood-inspired scale, but there are plenty more who judge based on an individual’s presentation of his natural self.

the better looking you are , the more women will close their eyes to the mistakes you make in the courtship period

if you are not an attractive guy by default , you either have really good game , else you masturbate

it is as simple as that

 

[coyote_astro]

I really like this old acronym (I think I first heard it by RSD Tyler) on the issue of looks

W.I.N.S. = Workout + Image + Nutrition + Shut the F*ck Up

That the best way to go about it (+ follow your purpose)

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

If rsd Tyler is any indication of anything, get the bag, put in your work, and stay on the grind. Obv looks matter but not taking action is low T. Take your shot. Always.

Finally, become so high value, you can approach but you don't need to anymore unless you choose to do so.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I really like this old acronym (I think I first heard it by RSD Tyler) on the issue of looks

W.I.N.S. = Workout + Image + Nutrition + Shut the F*ck Up

That the best way to go about it (+ follow your purpose)

#legend #CaptainRedBeard #theClaw

 

[coyote_astro]

#legend #CaptainRedBeard #theClaw

Yeah man, exactly! No excuses!

 

[zekko]

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

I'm not sure I agree with this theory, but I suppose it's a variation on the "be clean, be well groomed" concept. If a guy is walking around with B.O. because he can't bother to shower obviously that's going to cost him some points. If you are clean and groomed, she may not be attracted to you, but will likely accept you as a decent person to be around.

There's also the question as to what looks maxing is, how far do you take it? For instance, I have gray hair. I suppose some would argue that I should dye my hair to looks max. But oddly, if you do this some women will hold it against you, because they don't think guys should dye their hair. Those women see it as a feminine thing, and that men should not be so wound up in how they look. Some might even think it implies insecurity. So what a woman considers looks maxing is probably a very individual thing.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Currently have one tonight 16 years my younger in pursuit of me since a month after COVID started, give me a meaningful gift. It was really sweet and I told her that since day one she's been there for me, which is 'odd.' I told her that I've given her no reason to be the way she is to me (and she subtly agreed). Some women just Know you are their Type. She's the same kinda woman who wanted me back in grade/junior high/high school. She's just that 'type' that's always Pursued me (like summon other people and your own 'guy' peers to call her or what do you think about her? etc).

Sure, it's 'looks,' but also she see a ticket out of her mom's home and out of financial 'stress.'

But she's not the Only one. There's another this morning (and yesterday so 2 consecutive days) getting close to me and today introducing herself to me. I do not like tattoo writing across women's chests (around the collar bone). She's probably only 10-12 years my younger, and she 'could' have a kid. So she's targeting me as well...for a ticket, but with the bonus of being 'looking good,' what they may deem a falling-through-the-cracks diamond-in-the-ruff, like 'how?' they may say is he not 'taken?'

This COVID and financial stress in these here holidays is giving me witness to a drastic behavioral change than from the past several boomin' all-is-well years. I'm noticing a difference as of Tonight (today). Of course, I'm feelin' good or feelin' loved or in higher spirits, an uplift. It could be the Christmas spirit or just goodwill or female attention (because They are hurtin'). A lot of uncertainty 'cvming in the air tonight' - Phil Collins

It's sad, these times. These are revolutionary or civil war-like fall-of-Rome-like times. Suffering is being felt. Worry on faces, sadness.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

“Do looks matter?”

Ahh... the age-old question that every man wonders about.

I believe I have developed an understanding of why this debate rages on, and why the two sides are poles apart.

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

As an example, take a man we would consider a “6”. If a woman sees that he has maxed out what God has given him, he’s just as acceptable looks-wise to her as a non maxed-out “8” is. While we men rate looks using a pretty much universal 1-10 scale, women rate men not on a universal scale, but rather on an individual scale.

While our scale is objective, women’s scales are subjective. If you are a man who has made himself look as good as he can with what God gave him, then you have that area covered and women will give you every chance to see if you can make them FEEL attraction. Looks are no longer a barrier.

If you are a “5” and a woman sees that you are dumpy and don’t respect yourself by presenting yourself well, you will be repulsive to her. If, on the other hand, you are naturally a “5” but you present yourself well (clothing, body language, fitness, SHOES), the barrier of entry vanished and she will be open to you. At that point it’s all about whether or not you can make her feel that attraction through your verbal skills.

If you think of yourself as a lowly 3, 4, 5, or 6, and consider yourself out of the running because of your looks, you can reverse that by presenting the best “you” to the world. Never forget that a woman will give such men a chance if they see that he pays attention to how he presents himself. They judge not so much on innate, objective looks, as much as they do on what a man does with what he has.

Of course there are plenty of women who will judge on an objective, Hollywood-inspired scale, but there are plenty more who judge based on an individual’s presentation of his natural self.

“Do looks matter?”

Ahh... the age-old question that every man wonders about.

I believe I have developed an understanding of why this debate rages on, and why the two sides are poles apart.

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

As an example, take a man we would consider a “6”. If a woman sees that he has maxed out what God has given him, he’s just as acceptable looks-wise to her as a non maxed-out “8” is. While we men rate looks using a pretty much universal 1-10 scale, women rate men not on a universal scale, but rather on an individual scale.

While our scale is objective, women’s scales are subjective. If you are a man who has made himself look as good as he can with what God gave him, then you have that area covered and women will give you every chance to see if you can make them FEEL attraction. Looks are no longer a barrier.

If you are a “5” and a woman sees that you are dumpy and don’t respect yourself by presenting yourself well, you will be repulsive to her. If, on the other hand, you are naturally a “5” but you present yourself well (clothing, body language, fitness, SHOES), the barrier of entry vanished and she will be open to you. At that point it’s all about whether or not you can make her feel that attraction through your verbal skills.

If you think of yourself as a lowly 3, 4, 5, or 6, and consider yourself out of the running because of your looks, you can reverse that by presenting the best “you” to the world. Never forget that a woman will give such men a chance if they see that he pays attention to how he presents himself. They judge not so much on innate, objective looks, as much as they do on what a man does with what he has.

Of course there are plenty of women who will judge on an objective, Hollywood-inspired scale, but there are plenty more who judge based on an individual’s presentation of his natural self.

I’m not sure about ‘Final Word’. But I think we all know looks matter. Those ‘with looks’ play a different game than those ‘without looks’. I honestly wonder if ‘looks’ guys can really give advice to ‘lookless’ guys and vice versa. Looks are a lot. But not everything.

 

[Robert28]

Here’s what I’ve learned about looks. They matter. However, the average looking girl might not consider you attractive or “her type” at all and friendzone you, whereas the girl who’s a 8 or 9 thinks you are CUTE and exactly her type. I’ve had that exact thing happen to me. Friendzoned hard and made a fool of by a girl who’s a 6 on her best day, made me feel like I was the ugliest dude on earth. Then I met 3 girls consecutively that were WAY above her looks wise and I was their type all the way.

 

[Serenity]

It's men who care the most about how the opposite sex looks. It's common for men to assume women think the same way, most of them don't. As you say Atom, if a man tries to look the best he can with what he has then it's usually good enough.

The reason this question is debated endlessly is because the answer is not a clear yes or no. The answer is more like yes, but it's not what will make or break her attraction. You just have to look good enough, most of the time it will just get you from repulsive to neutral, you'll have to talk good to get from neutral to attractive.

Men are different. While women may overlook physical flaws for a good personality, men may overlook personality flaws for good looks. There's an abundance of stories on this forum illustrating that, all the guys who let massive red flags slide because "she's hot". Women on the other hand may very well have a blast fvcking a short chubby bald dude if he has an awesome personality that radiates confidence and IDGAF (not the insecure low self-esteem personality that usually goes along with that look).

 

[Atom Smasher]

For men, a woman’s looks is 80% of his evaluation of her. Women, however, are wired to evaluate men on a much broader spectrum. Therefore, looks carries less weight.

The answer to the question, “Do looks matter?” is “Yes, to a degree”. That’s good news for men. As I said in my OP, women tend to tick off the “looks” box if they see that the man presents himself up to his potential.

Some guys here obsess about “How much is enough”, which is an unnecessary complication. Dres well, groom well, and be reasonably fit and you will have no further problem with the looks issue. To be attractive to most women, you most certainly don’t need to be ripped. Just being reasonably fit gets you in the game with decent-looking women.

Once you’ve learned to present yourself to your potential, any hang ups about looks is in your own head.

I’m convinced that very often, men receive IOIs from women that go completely over their heads. Women think they are sending obvious signals, when in fact these signals are far from obvious to us men.

We will only appeal to a small subset of women because women tend to fall for types. We each fit into a few types, but men can never be universally attractive like women can. No matter how fit and attractive we think we are, women judge us by a multitude of metrics.

Since attraction boils down to how you make a woman feel, the thing to do is to get the initial barrier to entry taken care of, and that’s pretty easily handled.

Because women’s looks are so vitally important to us, we imagine that women assign the same weight to looks that we do. It’s entirely possible to get one’s foot in the door with average looks. A man of average looks who maxes his potential is far ahead of the average dumpy guy.

When you present yourself as someone who respects himself, and have decent conversational skills, women will tend to rate you WAY higher In looks than you might objectively be.

I advise every man to consider the fact that while we assign 90% of attraction to looks, women assign only maybe 60%.

I’ve leveraged that principle. I suppose I’m objectively a “7” on a good day. Maybe I’m even being overly optimistic with that number. I’m only guessing. However, the projection of my character makes me appear as an 8.5 to 9 to a good number of women because I leverage their emotion and imagination.

 

[Bigpapa]

I’m not sure about ‘Final Word’. But I think we all know looks matter. Those ‘with looks’ play a different game than those ‘without looks’. I honestly wonder if ‘looks’ guys can really give advice to ‘lookless’ guys and vice versa. Looks are a lot. But not everything.

the easiest way to gain points if you are not naturally a good looking guy is to have a really hot body and take care of yourself more than on average and have a really good fashion sense

 

[King Lion]

'Every hoe ha dem stick a bush' - Jamaican Proverb

Looks don't matter - There is someone for everyone.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Looks maxing simply increases your options. If you normally appeal to 5% of women, why not up that number to 15 or 20 percent?

 

[Mike32ct]

And to the extent one believes in "game," looksmaxxing gives the guy more opportunity to practice his game because more women will be open to talk to him.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I'd say I've always been well above the average man in terms of looks. I'm not being a d*ick, it just is, even going way back to grade school and now well over 40. I can still pull women less than half my age and most of it depends on looks.

That being said, I've also noticed and have dealt with a fair share of women and some guys, but more women, that automatically don't like me because of my looks. Even before we get to know each other. They think because I look the way I do I'm automatically self-centered, co*cky, a womanizer, etc., etc. I've had a few women say they were attracted to me by the way I walk. I guess it's kind of a swagger, but it's natural for me. I had one woman, before we even officially met, say I walk and act like a "Doberman." Little did she know I had one at the time and have had 4 in my life, lol. BTW, I dated her for 9 years.

Some, who didn't even know me, have preemptively verbally attacked me in a group setting because of it. One instance in late 90's was from a guy's wife and ridiculously blatant at a work party. I worked with the guy and his wife went all pit bull on me from the second I got there. People were even asking me about it the following Monday at work like "What the hell was with Sally (can't remember her name) on Saturday??" Funny thing is, the guy/co-worker (Ron) was in a torrid affair with another co-worker and about 3 months after the party incident, left his wife to be with the other woman. Karma lives.

It's actually helped me over the years determine who to date and who to be friends with; by the way people treat me from the get-go.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather look like Dash Riprock than the Hunchback of Notre Dame, but the dynamic it creates can be really interesting.

Anyone else experience this?

Be safe and well.

~Dash~

 

[ubercat]

All true observations. Only point not represented is the randomness of women. I ve scored hot blondes when I was a disgusting fat sh1t . If yr in a dry spell... Get out there and keep swinging.

For the long term win up yourself.