Her beta male orbiters

[metalwater]

I have no idea. I'm consuming RP content every day to learn as much as I can.

Sandman
Coach Greg Adams
Rollo
Rich Cooper
Donovan Sharpe
Kevin Samuels
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Just a few things.

First, It's good your asking questions and not quietly tolerating this situation. It will not heal or get better if you ignore it.

Second, many of the men posting and answering have been through something like the same and spent many years to accept and deal with it. The point is that your not weird or just unlucky, this happens to many and iti s just as rotten for all that it happens to. Tell as much as you want about things, as none of it will be the first time someone had that one....

Third, far more important than the girl... is your self-esteem and self-image. If it was ok; you would not ask and already be dealing with the issue in a direct way. This will be a hard road; the good news is most everyone makes it. Women have been doing this to men for a thousand of years... Some will tell you to just leave, but you won't because it doesn't make sense yet. Most of them also did not leave until years later when it made sense. After your self-esteem is back online; the rest will fall into place quickly.

Sounds like she is from Spain and you in Norway. I believe you have a positive exchange rate between Norway and Spain meaning you are likely wealthy to her. Now she is chatting with some of the Spain guys and you might not speak that language... Also, it is clearly a problem as your getting a vibe from her that makes you not like it. If it was not a problem, the vibe from her would tell you that your the only one and she is really just chatting for something to do. But the vibe your getting and probably some bitchy attitude and less affection is setting off your alarm bells and at the same time, she is showing you her interest in some dude online. You would not have found red pill at all and not been trying to game her unless you had already felt the problem in the vibe and trying to figure out what to do. Tell if this is right or off base.

Although not a permanent fix, one of the fastest ways to prop up self-esteem so that can objectively view the situation is to interact with some other girl; who initially at least will be trying to impress you and therefore telling you nice stuff. something you probably are not used to hearing much now... that will help immediately. She is doing the same, you have EVERY right to do it.

 

[kekePower]

Just a few things.

First, It's good your asking questions and not quietly tolerating this situation. It will not heal or get better if you ignore it.

Second, many of the men posting and answering have been through something like the same and spent many years to accept and deal with it. The point is that your not weird or just unlucky, this happens to many and iti s just as rotten for all that it happens to. Tell as much as you want about things, as none of it will be the first time someone had that one....

Third, far more important than the girl... is your self-esteem and self-image. If it was ok; you would not ask and already be dealing with the issue in a direct way. This will be a hard road; the good news is most everyone makes it. Women have been doing this to men for a thousand of years... Some will tell you to just leave, but you won't because it doesn't make sense yet. Most of them also did not leave until years later when it made sense. After your self-esteem is back online; the rest will fall into place quickly.

Sounds like she is from Spain and you in Norway. I believe you have a positive exchange rate between Norway and Spain meaning you are likely wealthy to her. Now she is chatting with some of the Spain guys and you might not speak that language... Also, it is clearly a problem as your getting a vibe from her that makes you not like it. If it was not a problem, the vibe from her would tell you that your the only one and she is really just chatting for something to do. But the vibe your getting and probably some bitchy attitude and less affection is setting off your alarm bells and at the same time, she is showing you her interest in some dude online. You would not have found red pill at all and not been trying to game her unless you had already felt the problem in the vibe and trying to figure out what to do. Tell if this is right or off base.

Although not a permanent fix, one of the fastest ways to prop up self-esteem so that can objectively view the situation is to interact with some other girl; who initially at least will be trying to impress you and therefore telling you nice stuff. something you probably are not used to hearing much now... that will help immediately. She is doing the same, you have EVERY right to do it.

You're on point on many issues. The main point being my self-esteem being very low. I haven't seen my own value for many years and when this hot chick showed an interest in me, my diack reacted and the rest is history.

I'm still in a red pill rage as I think back to how hard I've simped all my life. It's just so painfully clear and I also see that being blue pilled was a huge part of my life long depression. It sucks to think about it now that I know, but I can only go from here and make my life better one step at a time.
There were so many red flags the first few months of our relationship and I'm now a bit too deep into it having a kid with her. Staying for the kid as of now because I see the effect my eldest went through after the divorce from my ex.

I do speak Spanish after 6 years with her.

I've seen people telling me to leave and I see the reasoning behind it. My economy isn't 100% right now, so I would be close to homeless if I were to leave right now.

 

[metalwater]

My economy isn't 100% right now, so I would be close to homeless if I were to leave right now.

Full speed ahead on fixing your money. Make real sure it is yours as you fix it. Money and self-esteem. Fixing Money will also help self-esteem. So priority that no matter what. They guys debate all the time if money is beta or alpha; doesn't matter because you need it either way. Don't know how you fix it in Norway. Where I am from the quick fix was to work two jobs for a while. That would reduce my spending because busy and could save all from the extra job. The long game to money is different, but the short game was work like crazy and dig out. You might even notice the girl trying to get close again if you fix your money, of course, you might not let her because you have seen how she can be when times are down.

 

[kekePower]

She will cheat bc you were one of her orbiters too initially

I have to debunk this. I met her one day in September in Spain and we were semi dating before she came with me to Norway in December.

 

[kekePower]

Full speed ahead on fixing your money. Make real sure it is yours as you fix it. Money and self-esteem. Fixing Money will also help self-esteem. So priority that no matter what. They guys debate all the time if money is beta or alpha; doesn't matter because you need it either way. Don't know how you fix it in Norway. Where I am from the quick fix was to work two jobs for a while. That would reduce my spending because busy and could save all from the extra job. The long game to money is different, but the short game was work like crazy and dig out. You might even notice the girl trying to get close again if you fix your money, of course, you might not let her because you have seen how she can be when times are down.

That's the plan. I've spent too much money trying to fix her problems instead of focusing on fixing my own issues.

 

[lostintime]

A-lot of this is visceral, primal type of $hit. I'm glad you have found the red pill my man but a woman's first impression of you sticks. You said she first knew you as a simp. If that's the case, then your new found red pill self isn't going to have quite the same effect on her as it would have if that's all she ever knew of your personality and who you are.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but what other posters are saying is right; that receiving gifts from/offering emotional support to "other" guys is some downright disrespectful bullsh*t. You want to come across as not jealous, which isn't the case. That's obvious my brother. I don't mean to hate or cause you any feelings of ill will. I'm just telling you what I think is going on based on my own life experiences and gut instinct. She might like the fact that you're not "jealous", her provider instincts kicking in, but she does not respect it. In fact, she will grow to resent it, all the while sending mixed messages to you and not giving a f*ck about it, either.

Bro, there are some guys who would straight flip out on a b!tch if they found out that she was doing that sh!t. I mean there are dudes that would straight up stick a woman in the jaw without thinking about it for some sh!t like that. lol And ironically enough, women would still find that guy more sexual desirable than the non-jealous types. There is no love or arousal without respect. Respect is the key emotion a woman has to have for you for anything else to blossom, romantically. On the flip side, it's also the key ingredient required for giving your chick orgasms. Respect is everything. It's more than respect even. I would say an even better word would be admiration.

There is nothing non red-pill or beta about telling her to knock that **** off asap or gtfo asap.

I know you have a kid with her man, but it is what it is. It'll only get worse if you don't put your foot down.