Will you take the covid vaccine?

[Alvafe]

Oh come on, you're no fun. You want verifiable details? Plans for world domination never, ever get beyond the level of a PowerPoint, didn't you know that?

I'd say we're dealing with more of a People's Judean Front rather than the People's Front of Judea, you silly, silly person!

actually a lot of conpiracy theory after some years proved to be truth, what I knowis fearmongering is a nice way to control people, a virus release by china (more likely lab build), but no one is blaming china or asking for reparations, even if it was natural occurency, it did happen for lack of china of informing people and trying to contain the things, it was almost like they wanted it to spread.

also any guys saying teh virus is bad, did you check the suicide rates? and otehr healthy issues caused by this whole fear mongering, or you guys will also negate that?

 

[DelayedGratification]

actually a lot of conpiracy theory after some years proved to be truth, what I knowis fearmongering is a nice way to control people, a virus release by china (more likely lab build), but no one is blaming china or asking for reparations, even if it was natural occurency, it did happen for lack of china of informing people and trying to contain the things, it was almost like they wanted it to spread.

also any guys saying teh virus is bad, did you check the suicide rates? and otehr healthy issues caused by this whole fear mongering, or you guys will also negate that?

Who's telling people to be afraid? Is advocating for drunk-driving laws fearmongering? After all, drunk-driving laws are more about protecting the non-driver (especially people outside the vehicle), is that driven by fear? Or, just maybe, to protect the common good?

Do you look both ways before crossing the street? Yes? Well then, the fearmongering must have cowed you into being a wimp who's afraid of what a 'lil old automobile might do to you.

 

[DelayedGratification]

I don't worry about things I can't control. What we can control is how healthy we live. People that don't die of Covid will die of other things that they could've controlled(smoking, drinking, weight, nutrition, excercise, etc). Like I said, I haven't seen anyone healthy without any underlying medical conditions die from this. They only got sick but recovered(most without being hospitalized). That doesn't mean you may get exceptions here and there though. I just haven't seen any. This includes my 81yo father-in-law who has been sick with Covid for 3 weeks now. He's never been hospitalized but just rested at home while he tries to get better. Good news is he is starting to get better after 3 weeks which was around the same time for me too.

Don't conflate the inability to reduce the risk to zero with not having control. Behaviors in a pandemic do matter, and do have consequences. How many outbreaks that were verified by contact tracing does it take before a reasonable person acknowledges this?

Long term effects can be applied to anything. Drinking, smoking, lack of excercise, obesity, eating too many sweets. These are things we are in control of and should be worrying and doing something about. My $.02

Victim-blaming. Nice one.

 

[Poonani Maker]

The amount of conspiracy theory bullshvt in this thread is troubling.

There are only three viable choices:

1) Catch COVID-19
2) Stay in your house for the next 2-3 years until herd immunity is achieved
3) Take the vaccine

Take your pick.

Or work out in the open and indoors intersecting various people from all walks of life and conditions, for the entirety of this hoax, with 4 weeks off vacation thrown in, and allthewhile taking Vitamin-C and Zinc daily as well as already being fit through exercise since August 2019, and you'll still be disaffected, not only from this hoax, but from things like the old-school flu (that apparently no longer EXISTS??) and various other sniffles.

 

[stovepipe]

You're not afraid? Your words and actions speak otherwise. You are afraid and paranoid. You will find fault in any source that contradicts your worldview, and subscribe only to ones that do,


Paranoid rant, unless you can specifically identify, with credible evidence, exactly who this "Satanic cult" is.

I mean, seriously, the right loves to make fun of the "Circular Firing Squads" that occur in the political left. What in the fvck makes you think that they can all point in the same direction for long enough to maintain a secret Satanic Cult that runs everything? You give them too much credit. And if there were credible evidence, don't you think the political right would be all over it? I mean, beyond the usual fallacy of truth-by-repeated-assertion.

But, never mind, I've personally known delusional people and I know that factual arguments are pointless.

If my posts come off as paranoid or scared then the problem lies with you interrupting it that way. Unless you get pleasure from telling people they are as you've called out others for the same? Of course I sound crazy to you and everyone else who's sleeping.

I could provide tons of evidence to prove the world is run by a group of Satanic Cult worshiping Free Masons but you would still say my evidence is false or you don't believe it. You're asking questions you should already know the answer to if you actually cared about the truth and how the Matrix works. I won't waste my time with you cause if you're aren't awake in 2020, there is no hope for you. If the deep dark secrets of the worlds most powerful came out, many would hang themselves or check themselves into a psychward.

For many of you, you're imagination of reality is about to change.

What's that mean?

I purposely didn't explain to show how most people want to be spoon fed information, nor want the truth about what's really going on in the world. People who truly want the truth will seek it, those who don't want to be spoon fed.

 

[Poonani Maker]

what I knowis fearmongering is a nice way to control people

I Only first was made awares of the capability of mass-fear-mongering when I was in my late 20s. I Never was a Demoncrat though I was liberal in the my early youth. My mind was willing to go to the depths of depravity, but it couldn't (I had virtually NO creativity - and was straight-up math-based logical in my thinking and thus receiving straight As in math from grade school through college - although advanced calculus became troublesome toward the end but my grades never fell to C or D in that area). I Wanted to be creative or "outside the box" in my nubile youth, but I had walls (like Pink Floyd) erected in my brain that still blocked my mind from breaking through. Weed didn't even help (though I didn't do it much despite having considerable access).

So, September 2005 after months, if not Years, of FOX news and ALL other news' Fear mongering 24/7 about the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the "War on Terror" (when THEY were doing the "terrorizing" the mental breakdown of our populace). I was pro-Israel up until then or after cutting off ALL TV-watching from then on (thus just using my laptop at the time for keeping abreast of whatever). The TV still lingered over the fireplace, but it Never got turned on again. I threw that old still-working CRT TV in the dump in 2017 (clearing out a lot of sh!t because I'd thought I was gonna be moving into a much bigger home but the deal fell through).

So That got the ball rolling and by 2010-2011 maybe a little later I was Fully aware of WHO is in control and how vast how wide this Grip on our lives exceeded to All facets: university, lower level schools, from Birth, our doctors, lawyers (especially) - the courts, MEDIA, big corporations (that once successful or making money succumb to these wicked people who siphon off the tops of their lucrativeness shaving their coffers until they are no more - see Sears, see JC Penny, see General Electric, and on and on and on now-shell of a once great or dominant corporation).

 

[DelayedGratification]

If my posts come off as paranoid or scared then the problem lies with you interrupting it that way. Unless you get pleasure from telling people they are as you've called out others for the same? Of course I sound crazy to you and everyone else who's sleeping.

This runs exactly like conversations I've had with clinically delusional people I've known. Basically that their mind has been opened to the truth, and other people's minds are incapable of seeing it.

I could provide tons of evidence to prove the world is run by a group of Satanic Cult worshiping Free Masons but you would still say my evidence is false or you don't believe it. You're asking questions you should already know the answer to if you actually cared about the truth and how the Matrix works. I won't waste my time with you cause if you're aren't awake in 2020, there is no hope for you. If the deep dark secrets of the worlds most powerful came out, many would hang themselves or check themselves into a psychward.

For many of you, you're imagination of reality is about to change.

I asked for credible evidence, and you give a mix of "don't wanna" and Jack Nicholson. Nice.

I purposely didn't explain to show how most people want to be spoon fed information, nor want the truth about what's really going on in the world. People who truly want the truth will seek it, those who don't want to be spoon fed.

More evasion and misdirection. Nice.

 

[Lookatu]

Don't conflate the inability to reduce the risk to zero with not having control. Behaviors in a pandemic do matter, and do have consequences. How many outbreaks that were verified by contact tracing does it take before a reasonable person acknowledges this?


Victim-blaming. Nice one.

Not going to engage or argue something that won't go anywhere. You cannot reduce a virus to zero. Impossible and it's not "if" but "when" people will get it. People always try to change things out of their control including other people. Some can't accept reality of what will happen.

Victim blaming, if you fall into one of these categories then damn right I am. It's about time fat Americans or people not looking after their health in general begin to do so and if this Covid isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is.

 

[stovepipe]

This runs exactly like conversations I've had with clinically delusional people I've known. Basically that their mind has been opened to the truth, and other people's minds are incapable of seeing it.


I asked for credible evidence, and you give a mix of "don't wanna" and Jack Nicholson. Nice.


More evasion and misdirection. Nice.

Ain't that cute. You're like a little baby who wants to be spoon fed.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Ain't that cute. You're like a little baby who wants to be spoon fed.

Evasion.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Or work out in the open and indoors intersecting various people from all walks of life and conditions, for the entirety of this hoax, with 4 weeks off vacation thrown in, and allthewhile taking Vitamin-C and Zinc daily as well as already being fit through exercise since August 2019, and you'll still be disaffected, not only from this hoax, but from things like the old-school flu (that apparently no longer EXISTS??) and various other sniffles.

This is a poor spin job that makes no sense. The flu exists and vaccinations for the flu were up this year.

There are only three options, which I listed above. Either stay at home for 2-3 years, catch Covid-19, or take the vaccine. Take your pick.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Not going to engage or argue something that won't go anywhere. You cannot reduce a virus to zero. Impossible and it's not "if" but "when" people will get it. People always try to change things out of their control including other people. Some can't accept reality of what will happen.

Again, you're conflating lack of control with the inability to reduce risk to zero. Here, I've got a nice bottle of gin for you, pound down a few and go out for a drive. After all, you can't 100% control whether or not you're going to be in a traffic accident, so why not? Chances are even good that no harm will come of it. It's not like every drunk driver has an incident every time they venture out, right?

 

[Lookatu]

Again, you're conflating lack of control with the inability to reduce risk to zero. Here, I've got a nice bottle of gin for you, pound down a few and go out for a drive. After all, you can't 100% control whether or not you're going to be in a traffic accident, so why not? Chances are even good that no harm will come of it. It's not like every drunk driver has an incident every time they venture out, right?

Your analogy is flawed, alcohol has been studied and effects well known for years with proven studies. Covid is new and no one knows 100% certainty on everything there is to know about it. Therefore you have several beliefs regarding this. I have mine and you have yours. Is your thinking right? Maybe, but we won't know for some time when we can all look back after more has been found out about it.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Your analogy is flawed, alcohol has been studied and effects well known for years with proven studies. Covid is new and no one knows 100% certainty on everything there is to know about it. Therefore you have several beliefs regarding this. I have mine and you have yours. Is your thinking right? Maybe, but we won't know for some time when we can all look back after more has been found out about it.

Deflection. My analogy would be just as valid if you substituted cannabis for alcohol. Driving with impairment is driving with impairment, regardless of the source of that impairment.

We know enough about how Covid19 spreads to know how to slow that spread, which is what matters right here and now. If we happen to learn more in the future about contagion and therefore ways to mitigate that contagion, then all the better. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

This is not about my "beliefs", it's about putting the available knowledge to best use.

 

[Lookatu]

Deflection. My analogy would be just as valid if you substituted cannabis for alcohol. Driving with impairment is driving with impairment, regardless of the source of that impairment.

Yet throughout the the years, you have had several drunk driving related accidents, near misses, driving drunk and getting lucky to make it home, etc. So what does this say about society?

So what you're telling me is wear mask, take vaccine, socially distance yourself then when you think you're safe, you'll be run down from a drunk driver. LOL

My point in all this is life can throw you several curve balls and I laugh at people that think they are in control of it, or try to control it.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Yet throughout the the years, you have had several drunk driving related accidents, near misses, driving drunk and getting lucky to make it home, etc. So what does this say about society?

So what you're telling me is wear mask, take vaccine, socially distance yourself then when you think you're safe, you'll be run down from a drunk driver. LOL

It says that society cares enough about the common good to enact laws that demonstrably reduce the incidence of harm caused by alcohol-related driver impairment. Just because it doesn't reduce it to zero didn't make it not worth doing.

And you're the one coming to that conclusion, not me.

My point in all this is life can throw you several curve balls and I laugh at people that think they are in control of it, or try to control it.

Again, conflating lack of control with the inability to reduce risk to zero.

 

[Lookatu]

It says that society cares enough about the common good to enact laws that demonstrably reduce the incidence of harm caused by alcohol-related driver impairment. Just because it doesn't reduce it to zero didn't make it not worth doing.

If society cared that much, why not outlaw alcohol altogether? What good does alcohol do in the first place? Wouldn't outlawing alcohol greatly reduce drunk driving accidents, fights, liver damage, health care costs, etc?

Point is people have agenda's and I don't buy into it. People are free to agree or buy into various agenda's. I'm not here to force anything down anyone's throats.

You do you and keep going.

 

[DelayedGratification]

If society cared that much, why not outlaw alcohol altogether? What good does alcohol do in the first place? Wouldn't outlawing alcohol greatly reduce drunk driving accidents, fights, liver damage, health care costs, etc?

Whataboutism. You're not wrong that if alcohol could be banned then there is a good chance that there would be positive effects. The USA had the political will to do exactly that 100 years ago, though it didn't stick. The best that society has been able to do, at this point in time, is to impose restrictions on alcohol consumption. It didn't reduce risks to zero, but it created better outcomes.

Point is people have agenda's and I don't buy into it. People are free to agree or buy into various agenda's. I'm not here to force anything down anyone's throats.

You do you and keep going.

Non-sequitor. This is not about agenda.

 

[Lookatu]

Non-sequitor. This is not about agenda.

I respectfully disagree but this can go in several directions that I'm not willing to put the effort into. Everything is about agenda's these days.

 

[DelayedGratification]

I respectfully disagree but this can go in several directions that I'm not willing to put the effort into. Everything is about agenda's these days.

I'll respectfully put out the notion that you may be applying mutual exclusivity where none exists. For example, someone can have an agenda but still be right (for some definitions of "right"). Otherwise known as: "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons".

I'll also ask that you reconsider that "everything is about agendas these days". Rather, I see it that agenda is being disproportionately attributed to the actions of individuals and organizations. In other words, it's not that suddenly everyone and everything has an agenda, but there is an effective contingent in the information ecosystem that is relentlessly casting actions and outcomes in that light.