If the average smv of men increases due to the red pill going mainstream

[Hoodie]

Will the 20/80 rule widen, or will the bar for entering the 20/80 become higher?

 

[SW15]

Will the 20/80 rule widen, or will the bar for entering the 20/80 become higher?

No. I don't think this is happening. A lot of men are becoming bigger pansies. There are more soy boys than ever. OnlyFans and PornHub are doing really well in the pandemic. There's nothing to indicate that the share of men who are more red pill/Alpha/Sigma is increasing.

 

[Hoodie]

No. I don't think this is happening. A lot of men are becoming bigger pansies. There are more soy boys than ever. OnlyFans and PornHub are doing really well in the pandemic. There's nothing to indicate that the share of men who are more red pill/Alpha/Sigma is increasing.

So 80% are doomed to become betas/providers that women cheat on?

I guess I'm asking this, because I can see how if the bar is being raised it can cause more men to become blackpilled and give up.
Or more men going MGTOW.
Or some men might believe they can't reach the bar, so they accept their role as a cuck.

 

[SW15]

Blackpill, MGTOW, cuckery, excessive use of processed foods (including soy products), porn, and masturbation, are more common paths than than the self improvement path.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

The state of affairs will polarize people more so than it has already. Those that work to foster a strong resolve will continue their trajectory, and those that neglect themselves will continue stagnating or spiraling. The external will more quickly mirror the internal, that's all technology is allowing.

They are not 'doomed', I don't think it's correct to say or think people have no control over their situation. Also, if a man feels extremely fulfilled but doesn't have a woman, who is saying he's doomed? What are the metrics we're judging him by? Why do those metrics matter?

Do we allow his free expression or do we impose societal goals onto him? I'm always in favor of the former. If he's fulfilled with something virtuous then the society will naturally benefit.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Will the 20/80 rule widen, or will the bar for entering the 20/80 become higher?

No because knowledge and action are 2 different things. Fat people have all the knowledge in the world to get them into shape but they would rather eat crappy foods, lay on the couch and not exercise.

Motivation for improvement must be internal and must involve action. And it is hard work. The type of work very few people are actually willing to undertake. Knowledge let's them know what to do, but is meaningless without internal motivation.

 

[Hoodie]

No because knowledge and action are 2 different things. Fat people have all the knowledge in the world to get them into shape but they would rather eat crappy foods, lay on the couch and not exercise.

Motivation for improvement must be internal and must involve action. And it is hard work. The type of work very few people are actually willing to undertake. Knowledge let's them know what to do, but is meaningless without internal motivation.

I don't view myself to be in the top 20%. But lets say by implementing red pill principles I manage to get a gf and keep her attraction high to me. Does this mean I became a top 20% or am I only keeping her because I provide commitment, comfort and attention for her?

And if you're not a 20%'er. Should you expect and accept that your gf might cheat on you?

Another way of formulating the question is:
If more men increase their smv, will the 20% widen, I.e women are attracted to top 30%. Or will the 20% rule remain, but women's expectations will increase as a result of the competition getting higher?

 

[Hoodie]

The state of affairs will polarize people more so than it has already. Those that work to foster a strong resolve will continue their trajectory, and those that neglect themselves will continue stagnating or spiraling. The external will more quickly mirror the internal, that's all technology is allowing.

They are not 'doomed', I don't think it's correct to say or think people have no control over their situation. Also, if a man feels extremely fulfilled but doesn't have a woman, who is saying he's doomed? What are the metrics we're judging him by? Why do those metrics matter?

Do we allow his free expression or do we impose societal goals onto him? I'm always in favor of the former. If he's fulfilled with something virtuous then the society will naturally benefit.

I don't mean doomed in the sense of living an unfulfilled life, but doomed when it comes to mating. It's a question about becoming a MGTOW or a cuck if he's not in the top 20% (In regards of women). I guess it hard to answer these questions, because who decides if a man is top 20% or not (In terms of attractiveness to women).

 

[Hoodie]

No because knowledge and action are 2 different things. Fat people have all the knowledge in the world to get them into shape but they would rather eat crappy foods, lay on the couch and not exercise.

Motivation for improvement must be internal and must involve action. And it is hard work. The type of work very few people are actually willing to undertake. Knowledge let's them know what to do, but is meaningless without internal motivation.

I guess another question is: Should men accept that their gf's might be cheating, if the man isn't particularly attractive? (Even if you are attractive aswell). Because if you don't approve of it, you're "oppressive". If you accept it, you're a cuck.

What is the most rational way of dealing with this situation?

Because the terms of marriage aren't respected any more, just look at Will Smith and his wife. Her cheating was "exploring herself" and "healing".

Does it become a situation of everyone cheating on eachother? And no monogamy is upheld? Or if you want monogamy, you must accept the possibility of your gf/bf cheating on you?

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

I don't mean doomed in the sense of living an unfulfilled life, but doomed when it comes to mating. It's a question about becoming a MGTOW or a cuck if he's not in the top 20% (In regards of women). I guess it hard to answer these questions, because who decides if a man is top 20% or not (In terms of attractiveness to women).

Define mating. Sex isn't difficult. A LTR is naturally more difficult than a fling, it takes much more sacrifice. If all you care about is getting off then you can masturbate or find a cheap ho or sluut. If all you care about is procreation you can adopt or knock up a sluut.

Personally I enjoy the freedom of flings and FWB. If one I really enjoy wants to be more serious, I'll consider my options then.

The race isn't doomed, your family name isn't doomed, men aren't doomed, you aren't doomed. Unless of course, you have nothing else going on and revolve around women. I'd only expect those types to use the word 'doomed' as they're seeking fulfillment only from women as some kind of saving grace, which is very feminine behavior and a self fulfilling prophecy.

I guess another question is: Should men accept that their gf's might be cheating, if the man isn't particularly attractive? (Even if you are attractive aswell). Because if you don't approve of it, you're "oppressive". If you accept it, you're a cuck.

What is the most rational way of dealing with this situation?

Because the terms of marriage aren't respected any more, just look at Will Smith and his wife. Her cheating was "exploring herself" and "healing".

Does it become a situation of everyone cheating on eachother? And no monogamy is upheld? Or if you want monogamy, you must accept the possibility of your gf/bf cheating on you?

Uh then you leave her? No brainer. Do you really question your self respect this much?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I don't view myself to be in the top 20%. But lets say by implementing red pill principles I manage to get a gf and keep her attraction high to me. Does this mean I became a top 20% or am I only keeping her because I provide commitment, comfort and attention for her?

And if you're not a 20%'er. Should you expect and accept that your gf might cheat on you?

Another way of formulating the question is:
If more men increase their smv, will the 20% widen, I.e women are attracted to top 30%. Or will the 20% rule remain, but women's expectations will increase as a result of the competition getting higher?

Every woman's view of men is different which means each woman's view of what she is attracted to is different which changes what she views as top 20%. These generalizations only work to a degree.

I never aspire to be in some percentage, only to self improve as much as possible. And that's been good enough for me to get a lot of women.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I guess another question is: Should men accept that their gf's might be cheating, if the man isn't particularly attractive? (Even if you are attractive aswell). Because if you don't approve of it, you're "oppressive". If you accept it, you're a cuck.

What is the most rational way of dealing with this situation?

Because the terms of marriage aren't respected any more, just look at Will Smith and his wife. Her cheating was "exploring herself" and "healing".

Does it become a situation of everyone cheating on eachother? And no monogamy is upheld? Or if you want monogamy, you must accept the possibility of your gf/bf cheating on you?

Monogamy and not following the crowd is a revolutionary act these days.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I guess another question is: Should men accept that their gf's might be cheating, if the man isn't particularly attractive? (Even if you are attractive aswell). Because if you don't approve of it, you're "oppressive". If you accept it, you're a cuck.

What is the most rational way of dealing with this situation?

Because the terms of marriage aren't respected any more, just look at Will Smith and his wife. Her cheating was "exploring herself" and "healing".

Does it become a situation of everyone cheating on eachother? And no monogamy is upheld? Or if you want monogamy, you must accept the possibility of your gf/bf cheating on you?

I'm not sure I understand this line of thought. Of course anyone could be doing anything. To my knowledge I have never had a woman cheat on me. But again, what they do when I am not around is out of my control.

It isn't something I ever spend any time worrying about. I believe that I will be the best sex 98% of women will ever have in their life so there is little incentive for them to go find a downgrade in that department. If I ever found out it would be over immediately.

 

[Hoodie]

Define mating. Sex isn't difficult. A LTR is naturally more difficult than a fling, it takes much more sacrifice. If all you care about is getting off then you can masturbate or find a cheap ho or sluut. If all you care about is procreation you can adopt or knock up a sluut.

Personally I enjoy the freedom of flings and FWB. If one I really enjoy wants to be more serious, I'll consider my options then.

The race isn't doomed, your family name isn't doomed, men aren't doomed, you aren't doomed. Unless of course, you have nothing else going on and revolve around women. I'd only expect those types to use the word 'doomed' as they're seeking fulfillment only from women as some kind of saving grace, which is very feminine behavior and a self fulfilling prophecy.



Uh then you leave her? No brainer. Do you really question your self respect this much?

I guess I have this idea of investment, that if I invest alot in a girl, she cheats and then I leave her, then my "investment" and involvement in the relationship was wasted. Maybe that's the problem? And it's part of the blue pill ideal "to death do us apart"?

 

[Hoodie]

I'm not sure I understand this line of thought. Of course anyone could be doing anything. To my knowledge I have never had a woman cheat on me. But again, what they do when I am not around is out of my control.

It isn't something I ever spend any time worrying about. I believe that I will be the best sex 98% of women will ever have in their life so there is little incentive for them to go find a downgrade in that department. If I ever found out it would be over immediately.

Yes, as I replied to the other guy. I think it's the problem I have of leaving a girl. And it's part of my blue pill ideal "to death do us apart" mentality. That if I leave a girl, then my investment in the relationship has been wasted, and I'm a bad guy for leaving her.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yes, as I replied to the other guy. I think it's the problem I have of leaving a girl. And it's part of my blue pill ideal "to death do us apart" mentality. That if I leave a girl, then my investment in the relationship has been wasted, and I'm a bad guy for leaving her.

Why? You need to look out for you first and foremost. The Disney Movie Fairytale has ruined a lot of men.

Ironically, this thought process is what pushes them away in the first place.

 

[SW15]

So 80% are doomed to become betas/providers that women cheat on?

Most men are betas. Being an Alpha or Sigma is difficult to achieve.

Being a beta means you either struggle to get into relationships and are often dependent on OnlyFans and PornHub or you are in a cold, supplicating relationship with a woman. These are the highly mediocre and limited sex relationships. These are not ideal, but to an incel, sex with your wife 1-2 times a month sounds good.

The typical guy is a guy in an LTR with minimal sex who jerks off to porn, drinks beer, watching sports, and has a middling career.

 

[Hoodie]

Why? You need to look out for you first and foremost. The Disney Movie Fairytale has ruined a lot of men.

Ironically, this thought process is what pushes them away in the first place.

I have to contemplate that. But yes, I think it stems from blue pill ideology.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

I guess I have this idea of investment, that if I invest alot in a girl, she cheats and then I leave her, then my "investment" and involvement in the relationship was wasted. Maybe that's the problem? And it's part of the blue pill ideal "to death do us apart"?

It's only a waste if you've learned absolutely nothing. Success is built on failures. Every single endeavor can be a wash. There are no guarantees. Trust because you accept the risks, not because it's safe or certain.

 

[Who Dares Win]

If a man never had a inside hint of rebellion within him even before learning about the red pill, its very unlikely that he is anything different than a beta.

Leaders are born not made, so are those free from the beta chains....you see you can be chained from outside forces but when the moment comes you can set yourself free if you are free in your own head.