If I don't make my intentions clear, I'm a friend. If I do, I'm a creep. What the hell is going on?

[mrgoodstuff]

No girl is going to want a guy unless he's got a 11 inch dik or he s got sick cash.

Girls in porn get sick cash and settle for a 7.5 and the occasional 9. Lots are bi- sexual and prefer giant dildos which are like 18 inches long and wide. Think about it.

Lol. Killed 99.9999% of guys with that requirement

 

[7onriverI f]

Lol. Killed 99.9999% of guys with that requirement

Most guys at least got some form of income and not sorely relying on the girl to pay for their stuff.

 

[MatureDJ]

What is going on is that you don't have many options, so you are stuck on this one. You need to spin more plates.

 

[Vasiliev]

I’ve probably already said this a million times to other people but you probably don’t have a social life with women in it. You probably dont have any passions/hobbies/social circles with built in women. You are on the outside looking in and wondering why everyone is having sex and you’re not.

Its very easy for me to profile guys like you because you guys all have the same things in common.

The whole notion of not having any type of social life/access to women and just cold approaching your way to abundance with women is not optimal or sustainable. You will run out of willpower eventually and give up and join the priesthood, aka MTGTOW.

The goal of romance is to make it as easy, effortless, and organic as possible. It is not good to use all your masculine will to chase after chicks. You should b using that energy to chase your goals instead.

For me, the easiest way to get chicks is having a few hobbies where women exist. Like a dance club, fitness club, etc.

When I show up to these places, I am energized. I don’t chase or game women. I just let them come to me. If it involves any type of effort, I know I just need to work out more and wear tighter shirts.

Its really that simple. Be fit, and be around chicks. It’s this simplicity that keeps it fresh for me.

I think you ought to stop trying to categorize people because it seems you're not very good at it.

I simply find the idea of the cold approach quite attractive.

 

[7onriverI f]

I’ve probably already said this a million times to other people but you probably don’t have a social life with women in it. You probably dont have any passions/hobbies/social circles with built in women. You are on the outside looking in and wondering why everyone is having sex and you’re not.

Its very easy for me to profile guys like you because you guys all have the same things in common.

The whole notion of not having any type of social life/access to women and just cold approaching your way to abundance with women is not optimal or sustainable. You will run out of willpower eventually and give up and join the priesthood, aka MTGTOW.

The goal of romance is to make it as easy, effortless, and organic as possible. It is not good to use all your masculine will to chase after chicks. You should b using that energy to chase your goals instead.

For me, the easiest way to get chicks is having a few hobbies where women exist. Like a dance club, fitness club, etc.

When I show up to these places, I am energized. I don’t chase or game women. I just let them come to me. If it involves any type of effort, I know I just need to work out more and wear tighter shirts.

Its really that simple. Be fit, and be around chicks. It’s this simplicity that keeps it fresh for me.

Even evil stiffler says this. I've seen guys who are not fit pull chicks as well. same as with skinny guys.
Myself I don't do much gym work but looking in photos of poker tournaments I have won I look quite bulky. I got a bit of a gut which girls point out when i'm out. I dunno if it makes alot of difference been 20kg overweight. I pulled when i was 75kg and i get interest and pulls girls out of bars now when I'm 97kg. I wanna lose the gut and have abs though. Muscles can be a bit more defined but getting much bigger really isn't my goal and I think I will look bigger at 75-80kg in 6 months time when gyming walking and perhaps a few classes.

Getting some lays as well in the meantime as well.

 

[Baibars]

Some women are like this...I have a plate now who I probably text with 2 or 3 times a day which is usually far less than some other women I date who blow my phone up. Often times several hours go by before I hear back from her and sometimes the texts are short but here is the thing:

1) She ALWAYS accepts dates with me and never cancels

2) We have had sex everytime since the 3rd date when she came over and cooked dinner with me

3) Anytime we sit down she always sits next to me and snuggles up near me and enjoys being physically close to me and leans back into me, even if we are out in public and sitting on a couch/bench

4) She has spent the night the last 2 times we were together.

5) She will always initiate texts in the morning if I was the last to text the night before.

I consider her to have high interest in me because of her ACTIONS in spite of her texting patterns...she is a project manager at her job and has a high workload that sometimes causes her to work late and be in meetings all day long as well as having 2 kids. But in spite of that she always makes time for me even tho she doesn't have a lot of it.

Have been seeing her for 2 months and have never not received a daily text from her...do not always pay attention to texting patterns or content, pay attention to their effort they make to see you and the way they act when they do. Much more important.

Now that isn't to say that all women will be like that...sometimes it could mean they aren't that interested but actions determine that not texting patterns.

Ok. Will see how she acts on friday. She doesnt even text me daily not even a " hi ". I only set up the date, she made a counter offer because she worked at that day and that's it. I also didn't make clear that i'm sexually interested in her but will get physical on our date.
But i guess she knows my intentions. However if she doesnt like me i'll find some excuse and break up the date without being butthurt.
The worst thing that could happen is a rejection and i would get some more experince.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You get friendzoned or creepzoned only if you are ugly, if you are attractive she will lead you in the position you want.

Once she finds you attractive you only need a basic level of game that we can sum as not screwing it up and to proceed anytime you find a green light.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Ok. Will see how she acts on friday. She doesnt even text me daily not even a " hi ". I only set up the date, she made a counter offer because she worked at that day and that's it. I also didn't make clear that i'm sexually interested in her but will get physical on our date.
But i guess she knows my intentions. However if she doesnt like me i'll find some excuse and break up the date without being butthurt.
The worst thing that could happen is a rejection and i would get some more experince.

It's a first date so it's tough to know...she may in fact not be overly interested. Or she may just not be a big texter. You will find out soon enough.

 

[Vasiliev]

and how’s it been working for you?

Don't misunderstand. I do see your point.

 

[bat soup]

I'm a fairly straightforward, "shoot from the hip" kind of person. Always have been.

I would think that with all this "confidence" and "alpha male" gibberish, that that would be a strength. Then why the **** is it more of a hindrance?

I don't think I'm aggressive, I don't think I'm awkward.. or at least any more awkward than anyone else would be on a cold approach (that's what this is about btw.. cold approach). I suppose I'm just.. intense? Is it really bad to be intense?

Desperate doesn't fit either. Whether or not my day is bad doesn't depend on rejection so I don't know.

The way it's looking, all roads lead nowhere and I'm clueless.

If a girl likes you, everything you do is right. If she doesn't, everything you do is wrong.

Having said that maybe leave the Cheerios line for the second date.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Direct works, but you gotta be reasonable.

Like, let's be really real, most attempts don't end well, if ending well means smashing.

This is not a race to the end line, even if progress is incremental, it must be made, plus, getting out of the friend zone is easy anyways.

You need a shtick, you say your not doing anything wrong, but that doesn't sound very interesting, if it's all going well, introduce a problem.

 

[Baibars]

It's a first date so it's tough to know...she may in fact not be overly interested. Or she may just not be a big texter. You will find out soon enough.

Do girls have to be overly interested or is this something you can build? Being pushy worked for me on some girls even though they weren't that interested.
Did you have such experiences or do you think there are only '' yes girls'' and '' no girls '' ?.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Do girls have to be overly interested or is this something you can build? Being pushy worked for me on some girls even though they weren't that interested.
Did you have such experiences or do you think there are only '' yes girls'' and '' no girls '' ?.

"pushy" got you fvcks you weren't going to get?

 

[Baibars]

"pushy" got you fvcks you weren't going to get?

Yeah not only fvcks. Being pushy and ****y made them act more feminine/compliant. Or maybe the **** tests i passed made them act like this.
Not all girls throw themselves at you if you aren't a model or something.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Do girls have to be overly interested or is this something you can build? Being pushy worked for me on some girls even though they weren't that interested.
Did you have such experiences or do you think there are only '' yes girls'' and '' no girls '' ?.

Some women are going to be a definite yes. Some a definite no. Most are somewhere between the two.

Every woman is different in what works and what doesn't. Some will even have sex with you even though they aren't really interested. It all depends on the woman and your abilities.

 

[crosscheck1331]

Nothing. I can say with total confidence you probably have done nothing wrong. I used to think their was some formula but through trial and error I realized success is situational. Honestly I didn't matter how slick my approach was if the girl had decided she just didn't like me. There was no way to convince her otherwise. If she liked me for whatever reason often I didn't have to try very hard and could just about say or do anything and she'd play off of it.

 

[Mike32ct]

Nothing. I can say with total confidence you probably have done nothing wrong. I used to think their was some formula but through trial and error I realized success is situational. Honestly I didn't matter how slick my approach was if the girl had decided she just didn't like me. There was no way to convince her otherwise. If she liked me for whatever reason often I didn't have to try very hard and could just about say or do anything and she'd play off of it.

Agreed. It's largely about right person, right place and right time. Not really about finely tuned techniques.

 

[In2theGame]

I'm curious to know why, if you make your intentions clear, you're a creep? did a girl say this to you?

Regardless, it's always better to make your intentions known upfront. Forget those who called you a creep. Another thing im curious about is what you are saying and how you are saying it.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I'm a fairly straightforward, "shoot from the hip" kind of person. Always have been.

I would think that with all this "confidence" and "alpha male" gibberish, that that would be a strength. Then why the **** is it more of a hindrance?

I don't think I'm aggressive, I don't think I'm awkward.. or at least any more awkward than anyone else would be on a cold approach (that's what this is about btw.. cold approach). I suppose I'm just.. intense? Is it really bad to be intense?

Desperate doesn't fit either. Whether or not my day is bad doesn't depend on rejection so I don't know.

The way it's looking, all roads lead nowhere and I'm clueless.

SMP is a **** hole in the west. For my religious pals and purple pill lads seeking to settle down are competing for less than 1%. Fellas are exchanging notes.

There's a lot of ****s today. Most are disgusting. The first mistake is to backward rationalize. Its one area I say pickup has wrong. I can get more ROI from #nextset then mentally masturbation over field reports or obsessing over a single approach.

Vas mate, it might not be you. It might be the caliber of left over women men compete with and for. I have pursued Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim women when I learned game. Its naïve to deem someone is default higher caliber then anything else. I still prefer a alignment to something beyond self. Most are on the D and IG. Average girl has had abortions. Its not her best.

More VOLUME. Less over analysis.

 

[andreihaha]

OP you are stressing yourself too much. And that is why you fail.
If you're naturally direct be direct. Make your intentions clear. If a woman is blaming you for being direct, she wasn't interested in the first place.
But don't confuse blaming with teasing. Most women I meet tell me I'm direct, but they like it.
So stop caring so much, be yourself but with a little bit of diplomacy. Remember you are still a stranger to them.

Leaving that aside, I agree with stormrider on this, you're better off meeting women naturally in your environment. You gotta work a bit to get there, but it's all easy after that. Your decision.