Where have all the intelligent people gone?

[justhe_justin]

People always acting like they’ve got **** figured out, and they’re SO RIGHT they feel anyone who disagrees should be punished. Police used to arrest women for wearing bikinis that were too short... amongst an long list of other dumb ass **** the US government decided to make law. So many ****y ****s are pretending, and in 50 years everything they say is wrong. Wtf.

What I’ve gathered from posting and engaging in discussions with people in person, on reddit, facebook, instagram, youtube, you name it; is that people are dumber than I realized.

There is a large percentage of people out there with strong opinions and convictions based off of blatantly wrong information that anyone with wi-fi can disprove in a few minutes. I feel like companies like Palantir (PLTR) can fix this by settling the score on what's accurate vs. false once and for all so people can stop believing and making decisions based off of wrong ****.

(FYI: Palantir’s software allows users to efficiently analyze massive amounts of data to detect patterns and irregularities)

People are so isolated in their bubbles of home-> work -> vacation -> repeat. Logic is lost on so many people. They assume it doesn't happen because they don't see it. Last week I was kicked out of a group on reddit for discussing the main cons of marriage and everyone dragged me through the mud with name calling, accusing me of cherry picking the worst scenarios, and claiming divorce, with alimony and child support payments doesn’t happen often. They proceeded to cite their own ‘happy’ marriage as living proof that everyone is having the same success, as if everyone is living the same life. Anything which doesn’t align with their beliefs they dismiss as the exception or an anomaly. "Just don't marry someone like that", "Just don’t get a divorce", "Dr Dre married a gold digger, that doesn't happen to everyone".

They have no idea what's going on in the real world; but ignorance does not make a person dumb, the issue occurs when they think and ACT AS THOUGH THEY DO KNOW. As another example, much of the older generation still believes dating is the same as it was in the 1980s, and share their wisdom and advice as if it’s gospel. Like... they can’t admit that maybe they don't know? People are afraid to stand in the middle and admit ignorance. As if it makes them look indecisive or incompetent, like they don't understand the issue. What’s wrong with reserving judgement until you have the necessary information to make the correct decision?

Further, people are also uncomfortable hearing the truth if it does not align with their convictions because they take it as a direct attack on their beliefs and identity. A company like PLTR can at least debunk all the false perceptions about society and paint an accurate picture of the world which will be available to everyone real-time...But who am I kidding, even when people hear the truth they reject it so... ****. Proof and data won't mean **** to mature adults stuck in their ways, but at least their children can grow up better informed.

 

[Lookatu]

I agree bro. Famous phrase I remember and so relevant: "People don't like to be challenged and people don't like to be wrong"

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I agree bro. Famous phrase I remember and so relevant: "People don't like to be challenged and people don't like to be wrong"

Gawd Dam they can't just admit there are many point of views and differences lifestyles?

 

[Black Widow Void]

This is the subject that I've probably spent way too much time thinking about. I don't consider myself a mental snob or mental giant, but when around the average person, I sure feel this way.

Here's my theory:

Most people are reliant on the approval from others. There's a good chance that somewhere in their youth, they expressed an opinion and it was shunned, mocked and deemed 'unpopular.' After a few of these situations, they probably subconsciously 'trained' themselves to be (so-called) "normal" (individual thought or critical thinking = bad... group think or going with the flow = good).

Social acceptance means a lot to most people. If they feel any 'inadequacy' then they suppress any thoughts or behavioral personality that might lead them to 'punishment' (aka lacking peer approval).

Most people have become so 'caked' with this social varnish, that they are probably too damaged. The moment you attempt to scratch beneath the surface, the more they recoil (the actual smart ones) or the more confused they become (the actual stupid ones).

I've often felt like I'm walking among a land of mostly pets in human form (they just don't seem human to me).

And there's also the ego aspect:

Most people aren't interested in learning from a discussion. Their ego is present and they are more interested in winning a discussion.

If there's one overlooked illness, it's "cognitive dissonance resolution."

 

[Spaz]

This is the subject that I've probably spent way too much time thinking about. I don't consider myself a mental snob or mental giant, but when around the average person, I sure feel this way.

Here's my theory:

Most people are reliant on the approval from others. There's a good chance that somewhere in their youth, they expressed an opinion and it was shunned, mocked and deemed 'unpopular.' After a few of these situations, they probably subconsciously 'trained' themselves to be (so-called) "normal" (individual thought or critical thinking = bad... group think or going with the flow = good).

Social acceptance means a lot to most people. If they feel any 'inadequacy' then they suppress any thoughts or behavioral personality that might lead them to 'punishment' (aka lacking peer approval).

Most people have become so 'caked' with this social varnish, that they are probably too damaged. The moment you attempt to scratch beneath the surface, the more they recoil (the actual smart ones) or the more confused they become (the actual stupid ones).

I've often felt like I'm walking among a land of mostly pets in human form (they just don't seem human to me).

And there's also the ego aspect:

Most people aren't interested in learning from a discussion. Their ego is present and they are more interested in winning a discussion.

If there's one overlooked illness, it's "cognitive dissonance resolution."

U r obviously talking abt urself.

No shame in that if u r honest abt it instead of just pointing it to others when u r in fact that.

Aside to OP,

Dating in the 80's or even 70's is pretty much the same as it is today with the exception of doing virtual dates.

Everything a man does back then is the same as a man does now, well maybe now a man might just not be a man as he is supposed to be but more like a hybrid that's called a metrosexual male which is 51% man and 49% female.

Therein is the problem that many modern men faces.

 

[metalwater]

This list is really long. So many ways to hamster around and win a debate.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some ppl may be dumb, for example, Forest Gump... haha. Then what does dumb mean in slang terms... something slightly different for each person.

But really, Truth and Correct are not equal words. A person's truth is not always correct and often times is really faulty. But it is the truth anyway. It's a fun topic from an academic standpoint.

Beware however that some correct things can be hidden by presenting it as an incorrect truth <--- Gaslighting.

 

[redskinsfan92]

People always acting like they’ve got **** figured out, and they’re SO RIGHT they feel anyone who disagrees should be punished. Police used to arrest women for wearing bikinis that were too short... amongst an long list of other dumb ass **** the US government decided to make law. So many ****y ****s are pretending, and in 50 years everything they say is wrong. Wtf.

What I’ve gathered from posting and engaging in discussions with people in person, on reddit, facebook, instagram, youtube, you name it; is that people are dumber than I realized.

There is a large percentage of people out there with strong opinions and convictions based off of blatantly wrong information that anyone with wi-fi can disprove in a few minutes. I feel like companies like Palantir (PLTR) can fix this by settling the score on what's accurate vs. false once and for all so people can stop believing and making decisions based off of wrong ****.

(FYI: Palantir’s software allows users to efficiently analyze massive amounts of data to detect patterns and irregularities)

People are so isolated in their bubbles of home-> work -> vacation -> repeat. Logic is lost on so many people. They assume it doesn't happen because they don't see it. Last week I was kicked out of a group on reddit for discussing the main cons of marriage and everyone dragged me through the mud with name calling, accusing me of cherry picking the worst scenarios, and claiming divorce, with alimony and child support payments doesn’t happen often. They proceeded to cite their own ‘happy’ marriage as living proof that everyone is having the same success, as if everyone is living the same life. Anything which doesn’t align with their beliefs they dismiss as the exception or an anomaly. "Just don't marry someone like that", "Just don’t get a divorce", "Dr Dre married a gold digger, that doesn't happen to everyone".

They have no idea what's going on in the real world; but ignorance does not make a person dumb, the issue occurs when they think and ACT AS THOUGH THEY DO KNOW. As another example, much of the older generation still believes dating is the same as it was in the 1980s, and share their wisdom and advice as if it’s gospel. Like... they can’t admit that maybe they don't know? People are afraid to stand in the middle and admit ignorance. As if it makes them look indecisive or incompetent, like they don't understand the issue. What’s wrong with reserving judgement until you have the necessary information to make the correct decision?

Further, people are also uncomfortable hearing the truth if it does not align with their convictions because they take it as a direct attack on their beliefs and identity. A company like PLTR can at least debunk all the false perceptions about society and paint an accurate picture of the world which will be available to everyone real-time...But who am I kidding, even when people hear the truth they reject it so... ****. Proof and data won't mean **** to mature adults stuck in their ways, but at least their children can grow up better informed.

People have ego investments in certain beliefs. Their marriage has mentally become a major part of their identity. You pointing out the flaws is like telling someone their dog died. They don't believe you, because it would change everything if it was true. So, it can't be.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Here is an example. The Cowboys suck. It's beyond obvious. Yet, every year Cowboys fans defend the losers to their very core. Why? It's a part of their identity. They throw that ugly star on their car, shirt, hat, and walk around looking like an idiot. They grew up with their effeminate dad rooting for them. It's an ego investment.

 

[Medina]

People have ego investments in certain beliefs. Their marriage has mentally become a major part of their identity. You pointing out the flaws is like telling someone their dog died. They don't believe you, because it would change everything if it was true. So, it can't be.

Ego plays a huge role

Changing your mind, it might hurt ego but it's very intelligent. However, we don't live in a world based of reason, we live in a world mostly based of dominance

History is FULL of stubborn scientists and thinkers who all went to their graves wrong, believing they were right

For every Charles Darwin, there were thousands in opposition

 

[metalwater]

Ego plays a huge role

Changing your mind, it might hurt ego but it's very intelligent. However, we don't live in a world based of reason, we live in a world mostly based of dominance

History is FULL of stubborn scientists and thinkers who all went to their graves wrong, believing they were right

For every Charles Darwin, there were thousands in opposition

yes; stubborn and the close brother to that is confident. very attractive.... being right has nothing to do with being attractive. The wrong presented well is much better.

 

[justhe_justin]

I agree bro. Famous phrase I remember and so relevant: "People don't like to be challenged and people don't like to be wrong"

It's a sad truth but I guess it makes sense.

For earlier humans it was better to be "accepted" than "right" because our survival depended on it. If an individual was cast out from the tribe it meant certain death.

Still in my opinion, people who resort to their hind-brain instincts show weak character (lazy thinkers) because those instincts don't serve us in the fight for survival the same way they used to. Rationally, it is better to be right, because that's how we get thinks like e=mc^2, and computers, etc. **** the herd.

 

[justhe_justin]

Gawd Dam they can't just admit there are many point of views and differences lifestyles?

Idiots

 

[justhe_justin]

Most people are reliant on the approval from others. There's a good chance that somewhere in their youth, they expressed an opinion and it was shunned, mocked and deemed 'unpopular.' After a few of these situations, they probably subconsciously 'trained' themselves to be (so-called) "normal" (individual thought or critical thinking = bad... group think or going with the flow = good).

Social acceptance means a lot to most people. If they feel any 'inadequacy' then they suppress any thoughts or behavioral personality that might lead them to 'punishment' (aka lacking peer approval).

Most people aren't interested in learning from a discussion. Their ego is present and they are more interested in winning a discussion.

Our ancestors were more likely to survive if they maintained the support of the group so the odd ball that went against everyone else was at a disadvantage and was likely to die sooner or even not pass on genes since women stuck together in tribes. Our hind-brains want to fit-in however this survival instinct does not serve us in the same way and it is very rewarding to think honestly and seek new knowledge.

Often times discovering new information goes against the group but leads to fame and affluence. It's rewarding to go against the group and not nearly as dangerous as it was for our ancient ancestors. It seems to me the need for peer approval is a symptom of weak characters more than anything else.

Lack of the courage to think for oneself, to stand for truth (and accuracy) above popularity and acceptance. It's pathetic.

 

[Lookatu]

All good and valid points above.

All I'm saying is as some people learn more and gain more wisdom, it can also make them closed minded and also inflate their egos.

I'm just advocating we keep an open mind on things but do our due diligence to make sure we aren't being fooled or misled.

For example, I know females are inherently wired a certain way deep down. However the layers above it can and has changed over the years depending on how the current generation and society conducts/accepts things as what's "normal". Having gone out with females of various generations, I can definitely see these differences between them. There could be differences of how you talk, game, date, hang out with these various generations that might be more conducive in being more successful with them. Once size doesn't fit all in this case when dealing with those upper layers. So as an older guy, I welcome any input from the younger guys that might have fresh ideas in tackling the landscape of their generation. This type of open mindedness is how I've been able to go out with girls in their 20's-50's.

My $.02

 

[justhe_justin]

Everything a man does back then is the same as a man does now, well maybe now a man might just not be a man as he is supposed to be but more like a hybrid that's called a metrosexual male which is 51% man and 49% female.

LOL so true.

It also seems to me that at a more nuanced level, women have become more shallow and with the prevalence of OLD, IG, facebook, and airplane travel it's easy for women to find success pursuing the top 10%, 5%, 1% SMV men. Whereas your typical man today has a tougher time than every getting laid with a 5.

Rappers, movie stars, athletes have always had more than their fare share but now they don't have to settle for women in their immediate proximity. Women message them from IG 800 miles away SMV 10 with no effort on their part. I've heard the stories.

Same goes for normal guys who are SMV 9 . The 6'3, wealthy, jacked guy gets puss more easily than ever before. High SMV men are getting laid more than ever and entitled women SMV 5 and 6 suddenly get inflated egos and think they can land one of those guys just because they are ****ing them.

Normal guys are getting super-screwed over. (1 in 3 young men report NO SEX in the past 365 days)

Nearly 1 in 3 young men in the US report having no sex, study finds

Researchers found that from 2000 to 2018, an increasing number of people 18 to 34 reported having no sex or less-frequent sex.

news.iu.edu

 

[justhe_justin]

Beware however that some correct things can be hidden by presenting it as an incorrect truth <--- Gaslighting.

I don't follow. Can you provide an example?

 

[justhe_justin]

People have ego investments in certain beliefs. Their marriage has mentally become a major part of their identity. You pointing out the flaws is like telling someone their dog died. They don't believe you, because it would change everything if it was true. So, it can't be.

Exactly, signs of weak character. Unfortunately this is the majority of humans.

 

[justhe_justin]

Changing your mind, it might hurt ego but it's very intelligent. However, we don't live in a world based of reason, we live in a world mostly based of dominance

What do you make of a world run by dominance? (i.e. 2020)

Where politics > science, opinion > empirical evidence, popularity > competence ?

 

[justhe_justin]

yes; stubborn and the close brother to that is confident. very attractive.... being right has nothing to do with being attractive. The wrong presented well is much better.

Often the man who exudes 'confidence' rises to the top and is seen as a leader above the man who is rational and correct. I see it all the time in the workplace.

Also, chicks dig confidence... dumbasses

 

[justhe_justin]

I'm just advocating we keep an open mind on things but do our due diligence to make sure we aren't being fooled or misled.

For sure, part of not being dumb is acknowledging that the world is always changing. It's a slippery slope to place too much reliance on surveys and statistics because they present information from the past. The only thing you can know with certainty is that the world is constantly changing so you can assume that what was true yesterday will not be true tomorrow.

Historically women have chased the top 20% of men. I would venture to say that number is approaching the top 1% if it's not already there. But the statistics are always behind and do not yet reflect real-life.

Average marriage age
Average IG
Peak male SMV
Average salary

All these markers should be taken with a grain of salt.

As a kid I was tough that if I studied hard in school , went to college and got a good job that my life would be set and I would easily get women. That formula does not apply in 2020 anymore as there are many more ways to earn more money and gain affluence and success in avenues that did not exist in the 90s.