Why are we programmed so badly?

[RangerMIke]

Modern Western culture, over the last 100 years has gradually changed to embrace commercialism to fuel capitalist economic models. It is not a coincidence that feminism happened at the same time as the world broadly embraced free-market capitalism.

In the US, our economic model relies heavily on female spending... and male spending to impress females. The reason men in the US spend silly amounts of money and time in EFFORT to impress women, is because we have been inundated with advertising that this is needed to be successful.... and women are conditioned that this is expected. If it were not for women spending money, the US economy would collapse.

All this really ramped up in the 1950s, post WWII... to prevent a post war economic collapse we spent money improving travel infrastructure (interstates and airports) because we needed to sell cars to replace the military vehicles we were producing, and airplanes to employ industries that supported our bombing efforts in Germany and Japan. Military equipment production was replaced by commercial items like vacuum cleaners, dish washers, TVs, washing machines & dryers... a whole bunch of cr@p that we did not need in the past... this was sold to men that this is what was needed to keep women happy. The phase "Happy wife: happy life" was created in the 1950s. The problem is that most women are never content... no matter what she gets or has, she always wants more. This is NORMAL and healthy survival mechanism that served them well through most of human history... the women, and women's children that survived, were the ones that continued to push for as much as she could get in a competitive dangerous world.

This is a recent cultural phenomenon, though most of 200,000 years of human history, we have evolved to know that things that are hard to get are the only things worth pursuing... and if something is chasing you, then you have something to protect. We didn't worry about keeping women happy, women were happy when they felt needed.... now all we have done is create a bunch of stuff that makes their lives easier, so they have free time... so they can go work, and earn money to that they can spend money.

I am not anti-capitalism, not at all. But it is a fact that capitalism has destroyed male/female relationships.

 

[metalwater]

Religion has little to do with population growth. Areas where the infant morality is high, and relative education is low... have higher birth rates. High poverty and absence of a social net are the biggest factors in higher birth rates. In these areas, CHILDREN are what you need in old age to care for you, so people have more kids, especially when life expectancy are low in under-developed countries.

Religion mirrors cultural areas: religion does not shape culture. It is the other way around. People develop religious belief that fits their culture. Islam did not spread into Europe because Islam, as a culture does not fit Greco-Roman philosophical belief which dominated the west. Protestantism spread first in Northern Europe since these parts of Europe are philosophically different than Southern Europe.

God may have created man, but man created religion to fit their culture.

right, do we/they follow the religion of God or the religion about god. Do we try to behave in the example or in the prescribed ways as told by priests?

some religion does teach against birth control and therefore affected population growth. interesting; what I have seen is that areas that overpower the religion and do practice population control by birth control always caused the power to swing to women and start to kill men's spirits. pregnant women usually behave well.


better to be poor, religious and masculine than wealthy and cucked.

 

[AttackFormation]

Religion has little to do with population growth. Areas where the infant morality is high, and relative education is low... have higher birth rates. High poverty and absence of a social net are the biggest factors in higher birth rates. In these areas, CHILDREN are what you need in old age to care for you, so people have more kids, especially when life expectancy are low in under-developed countries.

Religion mirrors cultural areas: religion does not shape culture. It is the other way around. People develop religious belief that fits their culture. Islam did not spread into Europe because Islam, as a culture does not fit Greco-Roman philosophical belief which dominated the west. Protestantism spread first in Northern Europe since these parts of Europe are philosophically different than Southern Europe.

God may have created man, but man created religion to fit their culture.

My post was not meant to describe religion in any sense, i just wanted to note that higher fertility rates happen to overlap with more religious demographics everywhere, and so if you extrapolate the trend and assume it's uninterrupted then agnostics and atheists would shrink as a proportion.

 

[RangerMIke]

Agree, its no coincidence that lazy popolations happen to have a religion that demands "rich guilty ones" to get robbed to help the "poor virtuous ones".

Organized religion is a natural development of civilization. It serves three purposes... control of populations by convincing people there is a a mysterious invisible being that is watching you. And also to convince people who are on the lower end of society that they just have to suck up their sucky existence because they have happiness waiting in the after-life. It also provides a society with ritual and culture which reinforces the need of religion. The Catholic Church, as an example has rituals for EVERYTHING in life, you are christened when you are born, communion when you start schooling, confirmed when you reach adolescence, marriage... even when you die you need the church. And before anyone accuses me of bashing Catholics, protestants are just as bad... in many ways they are even worst. Many Protestant sects have rituals that separate the 'flock' from other people.... If anyone thinks that these poor people that go door to door to spread the message is part of a 'mission' for their faith have ZERO understanding of human nature and behavior. These people go out and get doors slammed in their faces, and abuse.... no one is EVER recruited to 'God' by being harassed. What happens at the end of the day is all the 'faithful' get together and they are wrapped in a community of people where it is us v. them. The faith leaders can then convince them that only we love you. This sort of thing allows people like Jerry Faldwell Jr, Jim Bakker, and Jimmy Swaggart enrich themselves while being immoral jack@sses.

It is a form of control... that is all it is. However, when religion begins to exercise too much control, the people in power will always spank it down. As long as religious leaders 'play ball' they are ignored. Jerry Faldwell Jr., well.... he got too big for his britches... became too political, so his private live was drug out into the light of day. Same thing happened with Jim Bakker.... The smart ones, like Joel Osteen just keep ripping off their flock and keeping out of the way of people with power... he's going through a nasty divorce right now, but you don't hear anything about this... his soon to be ex-wife knows that it is in her long term best interest to take half his sh1t and let him keep doing hat he is doing. Now if someone wanted to destroy Osteen... well, it would be a simple matter of someone like Mark Zuckerberg taking what amounts to 0.08% of his net worth and offer his wife a book deal.... Osteen will be GONE, replaced by another con-man.

 

[RangerMIke]

My post was not meant to describe religion in any sense, i just wanted to note that higher fertility rates happen to overlap with more religious demographics everywhere, and so if you extrapolate the trend and assume it's uninterrupted then agnostics and atheists would shrink as a proportion.

No I get what you are trying to say, my point is that religion, like high birth rates, are symptoms of a culture. It is a fact that religion is a lot more important in parts of the world where there is high birth rates... but high rates of birth and religious importance are subsets of the culture.

 

[metalwater]

No I get what you are trying to say, my point is that religion, like high birth rates, are symptoms of a culture. It is a fact that religion is a lot more important in parts of the world where there is high birth rates... but high rates of birth and religious importance are subsets of the culture.

Interesting; what is the cause of the culture then? I see religion in western culture as being reduced in importance with the result being bad for men. In Asia, I see religion strong and in some areas, women still submit; although the west is creeping in....

Is not religion a pillar of the culture? honest question, what do you think?

 

[RangerMIke]

Interesting; what is the cause of the culture then? I see religion in western culture as being reduced in importance with the result being bad for men. In Asia, I see religion strong and in some areas, women still submit; although the west is creeping in....

Is not religion a pillar of the culture? honest question, what do you think?

A culture that resists centralized governmental control will naturally be more susceptible to organized religion. One of the reasons why the Roman Catholic Church was able to attain the power they achieved in the early middle ages was because the Roman Empire collapsed. Organized religion will always fill a void left by absence of governmental control. The reason why religion is becoming less and less an important part of American life is because over the last 4 generations, people have embraced governmental control, starting with Lincoln, strengthened by Wilson, accelerated with FDR, I know those on the conservative right will claim that it's all because of Democrats, but the truth is both parties promote governmental control because that is what most people want.

What a strong central government does is creates security, with security the need for children becomes less important. Just look at Afghanistan... been there... done that.... the birth rates in Afghanistan are really high. Religion is also important in that country. The reason is that it is a place with almost no governmental control. Now if the Afghan people should decide they want more governmental control and become willing to fight for that, well... religion will become less important and the birth rates will drop. If you look at the birth rates in Sub-Saharan Africa, they are very high. These countries were formed by Europeans, and the lines were NOT drawn to accommodate culture, what happened in Rwanda is an example of two cultures tossed together, since they are competing, they resisted government control. All these African countries will continue to resist centralized control because of competing cultures.

Many Americans think it is religion that is driving the culture of the US... not true, religious faith is less important because our culture has changed... we shape religious faith to suit our society. The idea that you can impose religion to shape culture is preposterous, the government can do this, but not religion, unless religion IS GOVERNMENT. Our founding fathers realized this and that is why we do not allow State sponsored religion. You can force people to pretend to believe something, but you can not force faith on anyone.

 

[AttackFormation]

The reason why religion is becoming less and less an important part of American life is because over the last 4 generations, people have embraced governmental control, starting with Lincoln, strengthened by Wilson, accelerated with FDR, I know those on the conservative right will claim that it's all because of Democrats, but the truth is both parties promote governmental control because that is what most people want.

Every human association is "governed" somehow, all human contexts have a "government". A group of friends, a corporation, a family, a tribe of hunter-gatherers, or a settled society, even your own personal life... they all have a "government".

What you are referring to here as such is not "government" but a particular form of government... The State. A top-down command hierarchy with a particular history.

Being a left-libertarian sympathiser, i wish our political vocabulary and Overton Window were not so wretchedly impoverished... I believe in the power of language.

 

[RangerMIke]

Every human association is "governed" somehow, all human contexts have a "government". A group of friends, a corporation, a family, a tribe of hunter-gatherers, or a settled society, even your own personal life... they all have a "government".

What you are referring to here as such is not "government" but a particular form of government... The State. A top-down command hierarchy with a particular history.

Being a left-libertarian sympathiser, i wish our political vocabulary and Overton Window were not so wretchedly impoverished... I believe in the power of language.

In early human history, trial or community government was often driven by religion. Religion was a part of government, usually ancestor and nature based, it established rules for behavior, mostly based on honoring local tradition and observation of the laws governing nature. Religion was government.... it also provided a means for explaining things that science, at the time, could not explain. It was an effort to bring order to chaos, and build authority and increase confidence that people had some element of control what was happening.

As civilizations grew, the need for CENTRALIZED religion became more important such that the religion did not run counter to the goals and wishes of governmental control, and since much of religion was built on oral history, the need to tell stories (i.e myths) became the means for doing this. These mythologies were structured such that they defined the ethics and morality of the overall society. When you look at the early development of centralized religion, where these civilizations rose was a significant factor in the tenor of that faith. For example, Babylonian religion was replete with gods that were very capricious and chaotic needing sacrifice as a means for placation... this mirrored the environment that civilization developed since the Tigris and Euphrates rivers were VERY unpredictable, with devastating flooding. In addition, that culture was frequently under assault from external cultures from the North and East. Egyptian religion was VERY different. It was reasonably isolated, protected by deserts... the Nile River was very mild, with predictable flooding, the gods of Egyptian religion were in comparison to Babylonian gods, were kind... not demanding of sacrifice.

The reason why we continue to study Greek mythology is that Western values and philosophy have their roots in ancient Greek religion, so much so that Roman's adopted this mythology which formed the basis of dominant governments (representative democracy) that exist in the West. As Roman culture changed with expanding of the empire, the attempted integration of other cultures into their government and culture the Empire, Germanic migration as well as scientific and technical development. This is why Christianity became the dominate faith... it was consistent with an emerging multi-cultural. Emperor Constantine recognized that Roman religious practices, no longer mirrored the culture, and decided that Christianity would provide a means for unity.... but before he did this, he had to come up with a common framework which was achieved at the Counsel of Nicea. Prior to that, Christianity was composed of literally hundreds of sects and beliefs. Much has been mentioned about Constantine, and that he was a Christian convert.... the simple truth is that there is ZERO historical evidence that Constantine was a Christian, he was a pagan emperor. The father of modern Christianity was a pagan, the books of the Bible were personally selected by the bishops he hand picked at Nicea, and these bishops were threatened with death if they did not come up with a common framework. These books of the Christian Bible are still used today.

Christianity made sense because the emerging culture demanded change, and Christianity has changed a great deal over the last 1500 years, and one of the reasons why it continues to survive is Christianity's willingness to adopt to culture. Many of the Christian traditions, Eager Eggs, Christmas Trees, etc.... have their roots in paganism. It was much easier to covert people when you integrate cultural traditions into the new faith. We replace the multitudes of gods, with saints that people can pray too. Vikings would not longer pray to Thor, but rather St. Michael. Viking women, instead of praying to Gefion, would now just pray to St. Anne. Christianities strength is flexibility and forgiveness of sins, anyone can become a Christian by just asking. Islam is the same... all you have to do is submit. Then going forward, follow the rules.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Women are babies. It is YOUR fault that you take them seriously. It is their default nature to test your boundaries. But it doesn't mean you should bend over backwards to qualify yourself to them.

Many years ago, my life (in all facets) improved exponentially once I began to adopt this rule.

My mantra is: Women are a small side dish on your huge plate of food. Yes, they're there, and can be tasty in small quantities, but by no means should they ever be a man's main course in life.

 

[lostintime]

A common theme in game is that you have to act in a way that is counter-intuitive - you have to avoid showing too much interest, avoid being too nice and avoid falling in love with women.

The former is not accurate. When I talk to a woman I want to have sex with, she knows it. It's in how I look at her and talk to her. You're referring to boring, beta male filler conversation type stuff, etc.

The latter isn't true either. You should avoid falling in love with a woman romantically because it's not really a natural state in life for a man to focus it entirely on loving his woman. Women innately know this, too. I've had married women either 1. throw themselves at me or 2. make VERY revealing comments about their husbands when they're outta ear shot. True hardcore red pill sh*t these women were saying too. On the outside appearance though, her and her husband have been "SOOOOOO in love since college."

 

[AttackFormation]

I've had married women make VERY revealing comments about their husbands when they're outta ear shot. True hardcore red pill sh*t these women were saying too. On the outside appearance though, her and her husband have been "SOOOOOO in love since college."

What very revealing hardcore comments?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Funny you say that. Troy Frances tweeted about not being 2nd. Like alpha having no boss.
Not even possible for 97% of humans.
All have a pyramid on pyramids. Being a top is the goal but even Rollos bunch has egos and their idiotic ego statements.
Its like their 15 mins of attention and goes right to their head.
48 laws of power warns against not playing your leaders correctly.
Its even in the bible.

Ya gotta filter even the ones you think are smart. Take no prisoners and vet your gurus

"Play your leaders properly" means what?

 

[lostintime]

What very revealing hardcore comments?

1st one was an action/comment. She reached over and started rubbing my arm saying I looked good what had I been doing lately to look this good.

Followed 2-3 minutes later w/ her 2nd comment about her husband, "He puts me on such a pedestal" and it was like this exhausted tone in her voice from having dealt with it for a long ass time.

 

[BadBoy89]

Why don't we all just naturally know how to deal with women, as other animal species seem to do?

Society cannot have too many alphas. It needs beta men to serve women, otherwise it would not function properly. This is why the beta man is so important. Also why society does not want men to succeed and has brainwashed man from childhood to be a beta man and serve woman at all costs.

Society trains men to be beta men with women because it is good for it. When men are trained to look at women as the most delicate, important, unattainable thing that everyone wants to have but only a few can get, you will have beta men kill themselves to get women. This solidifies the alpha position and is very good for the economy. Even more, the laws are made to destroy these beta men if the women are not ”happy.” Ideally they brainwash from childhood: Women are goddess like creatures who can do no wrong. Men must live to serve them.

Imagine in the Serengeti every animal was a lion. It wouldn’t work. Now imagine in society every man was brainwashed to be an alpha male with 20 women at his disposal and never married. It wouldn‘t work. You have to brainwash and train the lesser beta male to serve women to make society function correctly.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Concept is a reality but I'm hard pressed to call it brain washing as in like a cultists style.
I see it more and more as a political movement.
Been that way for a while now and its unfortunate

I saw a post on a porn site where they could comment on the porns. The actress was getting harshly spit in her face and slapped in the face repeatedly. The beta asked "she has pretty boobs and an attractive body, i wonder why mo one marries them'", duh i wonder why. Maybe she likes doing porn or keeps putting herself im situation where she has no choice. Think you'll have a stable life with someone like that vs a lady who likes to settle down?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

And in today's society im seeing more and more men "topped" by their women and following them. You can see it in how they move in their body language . It's almost like it's waiting for a masculine man to cuck the husband and to "top" the entire relationship.

 

[bat soup]

I saw a post on a porn site where they could comment on the porns. The actress was getting harshly spit in her face and slapped in the face repeatedly. The beta asked "she has pretty boobs and an attractive body, i wonder why mo one marries them'", duh i wonder why. Maybe she likes doing porn or keeps putting herself im situation where she has no choice. Think you'll have a stable life with someone like that vs a lady who likes to settle down?

How was work today, darling?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

How was work today, darling?

About to head out to a workout starts in 45 min.

 

[bat soup]

About to head out to a workout starts in 45 min.

Imagine what kind of answer you'd get to that question if you're wife was a porn star whose work involved being slapped and spat at in the face.