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To Dissolve Marriage or Not?

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A friend introduced me to rationalmale.com and that’s how I’ve ended up here; any help would be appreciated.

I’m 44 and recently realized AFC; She’s 33; and married since June 2016. We’re both of Persian background; I grew up here from age 11; she grew up in Iran (a country where woman have no legal rights) until 25; both of us were virgins until 1 month after we started dating; I’m a physician (she LOVES doctors!!!) and she has a college degree from Iran, does not speak English very well, and has been trying to get a repeat bio degree here for past 9 years since she moved to the States.

Our story is that I knew nothing about women, I had dated a bunch, but longest girlfriend was only a few months. I always thought I wanted to wait for the dream girl, and once this girl arrived, I went to town… put her on a pedestal … proposed to her up at 15,000 ft in a hot air balloon ride… although financially reluctant, I spent near 70K on a grand wedding for her; took her to France for honeymoon… kept buying her jewelries…more expensive vacations… I think by now you get the picture…. I did however, put a heavy duty prenuptial agreement in front of her;

6 months after our wedding and her intermittent whining about why she has to continue to study…. I pushed her to get the family started and although she was ambivalent about it, finally conceded. The first two weeks of pregnancy was the first time I saw the hatred toward me on her face. She cut off the sex for the reminder of the pregnancy, got me to buy her an apartment to give her the security she needed. My beautiful baby boy was born in Jan 2018 and I began my fatherly duties: changing diapers, helping with night feeds, helping with weekend chores and her postpartum ordeals. Meanwhile, continuing to work harder and harder at the hospital as the sole provider for the family in expensive San Diego, California.

Our first shouting match happened in 9/2018 and the contempt continued to build up. Aug 9, 2019- I moved out for 30 days and cut out the MONEY! although now she tells she was scared to death, she never showed it and kept her cool and did not ask me to come back until I did on my own. I wanted to see if she would come running after me and she did not! 3 weeks after I moved back in, in October 2019 she filed for a divorce after a big fight.

She did not move out until Feb 2020 when the court was to order temporary alimony money. That is, we spent a wonderful Thanksgiving and Christmas season together, and although I did not reopen the joint bank account, we went on vacations and I would let her spend whenever she wanted something. And she would suggest all along that she would dismiss the case. In January she caught me by surprise and took me to court and artfully got a custody order to her favor and took her lawyer’s advice to move out. I, the dutiful father and husband (now understand, full AFC) chased her, begged her to not move out. But she did… she manipulatively stole the custody schedule to her favor and now uses my son as a ploy to keep her relationship with me. I started serious counseling, but she refused to come…hanging out with me, coming over to clean up and make food once in a while, but keeping her distance and getting an apartment, insisting on not staying over more than a few nights here and there. She finally said, she would move back if I changed the prenup to give her legal rights back as a woman in California. So, this AFC-DOC did just that. Now it’s been a month and she still has not dismissed the case, and I have decided enough is enough. A friend gave me the Rational Male to read. I see the light, but I cannot jump ship. My biggest pain is my 2.5 year old son and the disruption in his family life. I struggle with myself day and night to try and save this marriage for his sake because I see that he's happier when we're together. We don't hate each other. But it's a constant game. If security is a woman’s primary objective, then aren't I to blame for cutting out the money, moving out, and the prenup?? As Rollo Tomassi says, if there is no perfect one woman, and I’m to create one, shouldn’t I continue to work at this? After all, she did give up her virginity to me! I get that the ONEitis is how I got here and I try to look around and move on, but for the sake of my boy, does anyone recommend any sosuave techniques to get her to come her crawling back?
 

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Cut your loses, at this point you have done enough pushing her further with your pedestalized ideation that when youre nicer to her she will be better, thats not the case with women. Women wants someone who has his spine intacts, losing virginity doesnt mean anything, you just making a way for further exciting encounters..

At this point its understandable that you frantically wanted her to comeback to you. Trust me the more you do this the more power she has over you. You have to get back the power shift back to you by withdrawing physically and emotionally with her.

Start by taking care of the legal /securing assets / seperation done first, continue fighting for your kids, get your life back, and only then you have a bit grasp on her, make your way up living enjoying being with yourself like you used to to be, start having new passion, get in shape / gym..

She will comeback once she realized the horses isnt comeback to barn, and the paycheck didnt come in.

But at that point its useless as you already see her true nature, and women easily could have a replacement intact before they jump ship, you wouldnt want her anyway once you have everything back together again.

Welcome to the club..
 

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I'm afraid this is done and you need to look out for the best interest of yourself and your son. You still seem to be wanting the Disney Dream and that's ok but just not with this one. You are begging to stay in a toxic relationship that will ultimately have more negative effects on your son the longer you drag this out. He's only 2.5 yo now so he'll be able to handle it a lot better than when he gets older. She's already done with you so you need to see that and be done with her. She's only pretending here and there for maximum resource extraction from you. Get a good lawyer and watch what you say, text, do with her and plan a good exit strategy that will allow you to keep your son.
 

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Cut your loses, at this point you have done enough pushing her further with your pedestalized ideation that when youre nicer to her she will be better, thats not the case with women. Women wants someone who has his spine intacts, losing virginity doesnt mean anything, you just making a way for further exciting encounters..

At this point its understandable that you frantically wanted her to comeback to you. Trust me the more you do this the more power she has over you. You have to get back the power shift back to you by withdrawing physically and emotionally with her.

Start by taking care of the legal /securing assets / seperation done first, continue fighting for your kids, get your life back, and only then you have a bit grasp on her, make your way up living enjoying being with yourself like you used to to be, start having new passion, get in shape / gym..

She will comeback once she realized the horses isnt comeback to barn, and the paycheck didnt come in.

But at that point its useless as you already see her true nature, and women easily could have a replacement intact before they jump ship, you wouldnt want her anyway once you have everything back together again.

Welcome to the club..
She was quickly trained by people versed in the American systems. I was curious if any part of their original culture remains in her. Because if so he can reach her that way.

California....


It'll be cheaper for her and you to stay together and cohabitate. But if she doesn't want you theres nothing you can do.
 

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She was quickly trained by people versed in the American systems. I was curious if any part of their original culture remains in her. Because if so he can reach her that way.

California....


It'll be cheaper for her and you to stay together and cohabitate. But if she doesn't want you theres nothing you can do.
Naahhh culture remained that way, a culture.
 

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does anyone recommend any sosuave techniques to get her to come her crawling back?
The bigger question is why would you want her to come crawling back? You know what she's like and is--and you want to come back for more? She will never change, permanently anyway, and I think you know that. Unfortunately, you did go total AFC+ while you dated her and early in the marriage and it's rearing it's ugly head. Good for you for reading TRM and trying to implement some of the philosophies Rollo talks about.

She finally said, she would move back if I changed the prenup to give her legal rights back as a woman in California. So, this AFC-DOC did just that.
Why in the hell would you do this? Can you rescind the document via an attorney? She's a smart woman and you caved per her demands. You don't have to be married to have a relationship with your son. Yes, it will be compromised but take it from a guy who grew up in a household where the parents didn't love (actually hated) each other. Lot's of yelling, screaming, cops, abuse, you name it. I'm over 45 and still struggle with the aftereffects.

My recommendation is to cut your losses; financially, emotionally, mentally and MOVE ON. Negotiate visitation rights for your son and try to negotiate the best deal alimony-wise and GET OUT. You have your whole life to live. It will get worse before it gets better, but you will be happy in your move in the long run--guaranteed.

Good luck.
 
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California also has a law whereby if a woman files for divorce and cannot pay for a divorce attorney, her husband must pay for one or at least a portion of one.

Absolutely f*ucked up but true: https://divorcedigest.com/do-i-have...vides,circumstances of the respective parties.

Could you imagine: Your wife screws around on you banging other guys, you find out, she's like "So what?!", you divorce her, she gets custody of your kid(s), gets the house, and you must pay her alimony, and you must pay for her attorney to squeeze $$ out of you, all while she spends your money on the new boyfriend who took your place as lover and now pseudo daddy.

How many here STILL want to be married, lol.
 

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Sometimes you have to distance urself from the people that you love and cherish, if they CARE they'll notice, if they don't....you know where you stand.
This is good advice.

Some people however would rather chop off both arms and legs rather than ever admit they were "wrong" or f*ucked up. They won't approach or reconnect even if they know they should. At that point, you have to call a stalemate and just move on. Experienced this with a family member.
 

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California also has a law whereby if a woman files for divorce and cannot pay for a divorce attorney, her husband must pay for one or at least a portion of one.

Absolutely f*ucked up but true: https://divorcedigest.com/do-i-have-to-pay-my-spouses-attorney-fees/#:~:text=The California Family Code provides,circumstances of the respective parties.

Could you imagine: Your wife screws around on you banging other guys, you find out, she's like "So what?!", you divorce her, she gets custody of your kid(s), gets the house, and you must pay her alimony, and you must pay for her attorney to squeeze $$ out of you, all while she spends your money on the new boyfriend who took your place as lover and now pseudo daddy.

How many here STILL want to be married, lol.
Pay attention with such posts, too much truth and clear honest thinking...you risk that some retard will accuse you of propaganda against committing to women.

Awfully nowadays a simple reasoning like yours (that I totally share) would be considered hate speech in certain environments, if not hate speech you will get anyway shaming from the hive mind.
 

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Pay attention with such posts, too much truth and clear honest thinking...you risk that some retard will accuse you of propaganda against committing to women.

Awfully nowadays a simple reasoning like yours (that I totally share) would be considered hate speech in certain environments, if not hate speech you will get anyway shaming from the hive mind.
Alot of the concerns we've addressed and discussed can be viewed in that light.
 

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Pay attention with such posts, too much truth and clear honest thinking...you risk that some retard will accuse you of propaganda against committing to women.

Awfully nowadays a simple reasoning like yours (that I totally share) would be considered hate speech in certain environments, if not hate speech you will get anyway shaming from the hive mind.
I get that.

They (the femi-nazis and beta soy boys) can bring it on. The truth hurts.

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You have to get away from her as far as possible. And also somehow manage to get your son most of the time. She has been manipulating you. She has done it so effectively that you feel bad even now. After all she's done?

I know it's hard. We all can talk comfortably from a neutral position. You're in this emotional hurricane and your senses are completely useless to you right now. You're simply stunned. But think about it for a second. Your son is 2.5 years old. He won't remember any of this if you decide to cut her out of your life right now.

Of course, he'll know that his parents divorced. Do you know what he'll also know? That his dad took action and decided that his mother wasn't right for him anymore. He's had enough and wanted to be happy. Isn't that your right? To be happy? You should push her out of your life, meet new people, show your son the world and what he can accomplish. This won't be the case with his manipulative and deceptive mother in the immediate picture. He'll see that you compromise, that you don't get what you want, that you're scared of change - change that will influence your life positively and make you a better man. Why put him through that?

Read all the comments here, then take your time to think for 1-2 days. Then make the only right decision. Divorce her and move on. Think about your boy. Only think about him. Don't think about what she's going through or what she'll do without you. You're lying to yourself if you think you're not leaving her because of your son. There's an egoistic component to it. You also don't want to be alone and throw away 4 years of marriage.

After seeing what's out there, you're going to forget her real fast, that's for sure. And after the dust settles you're going to be a different man.
 

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This is good advice.

Some people however would rather chop off both arms and legs rather than ever admit they were "wrong" or f*ucked up. They won't approach or reconnect even if they know they should. At that point, you have to call a stalemate and just move on. Experienced this with a family member.
A man must know that in the world of men and beasts, it is sometimes a harsh and cruel world, it is a world that WANTS to beat you down to ur knees.

And you will be beaten down to ur knees, sometimes several times in a man's lifetime.

But it is this very process that makes a man - the ability to rise back on ur feet AFTER being beaten down.

Unfortunately for many men, after being beaten to down to their feet, they choose to stay there, often complaining of being insulted, disrespected, claiming women around them are CRAZY/BPD, or just blame everyone and everything EXCEPT themselves.

This is the difference between a winner and a loser.

The winner will always rise up even if he has to crawl his way up but the loser will always just know how to lay blame.
 
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