The MMA of dating dynamics: combining the practical aspects of PUA, MGTOW and Incel into a new strategy

[Xenom0rph]

Is it possible for us to take a Mixed Martial Arts approach and appropriate the useful aspects of these subcultures and form a new dating strategy?

PUA - as a whole, PUA is bullsh1t because it relies too heavily on gimmicks like canned pick-up lines and dressing up like a clown.... But I have to admit that "peac0cking" if done tastefully, can be a good way to attract female attention and segue into some conversation. I also do agree with the basic concept of "escalation" where if a women gives you indications of interest that it's your cue to escalate to the next level. I disagree with the PUA belief that you can game a girl to escalate to the next stage when she hasn't given you the cue to do so. The core of PUA is the belief that a guy can fine tune his game to where he can seduce a woman at will - this is not possible. If a woman just isn't in the mood or isn't attracted, there is nothing a guy can say or do to make her budge.....


MGTOW - as a whole, MGTOW is too vengeful, too militant and it's d@mn near turning into a cult. But there are positive aspects of MGTOW such as the awareness that gynocentric society has marginalized men and guys need to improve themselves through education, career and fitness. MGTOW also correctly de-emphasizes the importance of women in a man's pursuit of happiness. Ultimately, a man is responsible for his own happiness and having a woman in your life isn't a guarantee of happiness (often it has the opposite effect). A man's happiness comes from ambition and the accomplishment of goals.

Incel - as a whole, Incel culture is too defeatist, too depressing and too toxic. And yet there is wisdom in what the Incel boys say: the heightpill is real, the racepill is real, the baldpill is real. Looks matter, PERIOD. Incel philosophy is a reality check against the bull-headedness of MGTOW and the naiveté of PUA. A MGTOW guy can spend years in the gym perfecting his physique and will still get trumped by a guy with a more handsome face. A PUA can spend years fine tuning his game and will still get rejected purely based on his race.

I propose we combine the peac0cking and escalation concepts from PUA, the LMS and de-emphasis of women concepts from MGTOW, and temper our bull-headedness and manage our expectations with the brutal blackpill truth of incel......

 

[Xenom0rph]

Also:

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) - as a whole, NLP is regarded as a pseudoscience. But I do think there are some useful concepts such as "rapport" and "anchoring".

Rapport is just a fancy word for establishing a connection with someone. It is achieved through a technique called "mirroring" which is where the practitioner would (subtly) match a person's body language, tone of voice, choice of words and try to present himself as having similar life experiences to the subject. The goal is to get the subject to think he/she and the practitioner are like "kindred spirits" or "soul mates" etc.......This is theoretical of course, it doesn't always work. It especially won't work if the practitioner is too obvious, then it just comes off as creepy.....

Once rapport is established, the practitioner would then proceed with the concept of "anchoring" which is where the practitioner would lead the subject to associate positive vibes with the practitioner (anchor positive vibes to the practitioner) so that the subject feels more comfortable and would open up more..... In the old days, a messenger would dread having to be the guy that delivers bad news to the General because the General might execute him purely out of rage.... hence the phrase "don't shoot the messenger".... This is an example of bad anchoring, because now the General associates the messenger with bad vibes.... You don't want that. You want the subject to associate you with good vibes....


EDIT::: I should also add that it's been many years since I did my amateur studying into NLP so my knowledge on the subject is kinda foggy. And I most certainly should add that NLP can be tricky because most guys can't pull it off without looking like a total creep.....

If you're a good looking guy that's not creepy, NLP might be an effective tool to add to your dating MMA repertoire.......

 

[mickdollaz]

The fundamental problem is that so many guys are under the delusion that it is both possible and fulfilling to lay as many women as possible. This is simply not the case. The more partners you have, the lower your level of happiness overall.

 

[Xenom0rph]

You're missing something. Social connections/social proof/social circles.

A few months ago I was drinking with a mutual friend and I spent the entire night buying everyone drinks.

Two weeks ago I ran into him and he invited me to a private karaoke bar (not opened to the public). There was like 7-8 girls in there. One of them spent the entire night hitting on my friend while I was largely ignored. I didn't mind because I was having fun singing songs.

Lat night me and my friend ran into this guy again and he invited us to another party. This time one of the girls sat next to me and said "You were here last week right. Yeah I remember you. You're a really good singer. Can you sing this song for me?"

We spent the whole night talking and she kept qualifying herself to me. This created a net effect because the bartender blantantly started to hit on me because of the fact that I was validated by chicks. So I ended up with two numbers from chicks that pursued me through social proof/connections without even doing anything.

At some point we were in the bar area and a couple of guys were trying to run stranger/pua game on the females and they got NOWHERE. In fact, the less good looking guys in my group got way more play then the better looking stranger guys.

This forum for the most part neglects the fact that women are tribal creatures and they almost assign you zero value unless you are part of their tribes. You're just background noise unless you are top 10% in looks. All this game stuff is completely irrelevant.

I didn't even escalate. She gave me obvious windows but I was also watched by other females and guys. In my experience, it is best for the women to escalate in social circles. They have a "timer" inside of them and know when to make the right move. The females already decided amongst themselves who liked who and who was going to make a move. Before I left her she told me she was going to give me a naked laptdance next time we hang out and I was completely shocked at how forward she was.

I always never attract women at first glance. It usually takes a couple of sittings for a woman to vet/absorb my vibe and presence. But once I hook them, it's usually pretty hard to the point where the women do all the seducing.

I believe this is how it goes for most guys who are relatively cool. This whole notion of cold approaching strangers will have you looking like those handsome guys who got nowhere at the bar. They were all standing around with drinks pressed up against their chests looking at me wishing they were part of my tribe.

I'm not against going out and going after what you want. I go out all the damn time and I always end up making friends and infiltrating new networks where I have access to more women. But I do it in a value giving way. I make people feel like they are honored just to be in my presence. And in turn they throw women at me. Compare this way of socially being vs the spam approaching PUAtard who goes around acting like a beggar. It's not even a comparison. And the funny thing is, every spam approacher on this forum knows they feel like a beggar on most nights but they will defend their lifestyle to the death, lol.

Actually I got 3 numbers last night. I asked a bartender outside some dining place if my friend was better looking with his hat on or off. She complimented him on his "classically handsome" look without his hat. She ended up spending all night hovering around us. Eventuially another female bartender/waitress joined her and we all made plans to hang out. Not once did I thought to myself "Im trying to seduce these chicks."

We were all on the same wavelength who enjoy bowling, shooting pool, and doing karaoke. So it just made sense for us to get together. And eventually sex incidentally happens.

Excellent point. We need to develop some sort of social proofing method to add to our MMA dating strategy......

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think the basis for most of the issues is that most men very quickly and many times subtly display to women they are low value and place a low price tag on themself.

Hell...I am even guilty of that with my last thread about a woman I was seeing for 3 months. As I look back on things I see some key places where I screwed up and made my status lowered significantly in her eyes. Now this combined with a bunch of external stress led to her basically bouncing. Pretty sure if I maintained my status properly she would have figured out a way to work around things.

The bottom line is when you make enough mistakes that lower your status in the eyes of a woman, you lower your value in her eyes and her willingness to make time for you.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I still believe than being attractive and of high social position basically makes people interested in you regardless what you do (unless you are a pain in the ass to deal with).

For those in the bottom 80% the best bet is improve overall as much as possible then find the right place to live long term.

I am the same man yet in certain countries I live like an hermit in terms of dating and social life while in others with zero effort I have a great social life and plenty of attractive fvck buddies.

 

[corrector]

Is it possible for us to take a Mixed Martial Arts approach and appropriate the useful aspects of these subcultures and form a new dating strategy?

I propose we combine the peac0cking and escalation concepts from PUA, the LMS and de-emphasis of women concepts from MGTOW, and temper our bull-headedness and manage our expectations with the brutal blackpill truth of incel......

That's Pook's Anti-Dump isn't it? This is the idea that you just pursue women giving you a high IL and NEXT everyone else. That's one aspect of red-pill/game advice. PUA/Game has many different theories (i.e. just look at the plethora of experts in the 00s).

MGTOW deals more about being cautious when engaging in LTRs/marriages because of the legal and cultural climate.

The Blackpill "truth" still aligns with Pook's Anti-Dump. If you pursue a woman who has rejected you because of your height, race, or baldness, then that's not following Pook's Anti-Dump. Blackpill is really a nihilistic version of the Redpill, so it's really two sides of the same coin. If you don't have high-IL women to pursue in the first place, then that's more Blackpill/incel territory. If you have high-IL women then that's Pook's Anti-dump comes in.

 

[mickdollaz]

Only an idiot thinks combining three failed approaches into one is a good idea.

 

[Serenity]

PUA - as a whole, PUA is bullsh1t because it relies too heavily on gimmicks like canned pick-up lines and dressing up like a clown....

You're thinking of the early PUA's, in particular Mystery. That guy is an absolute clown indeed. The only good PUA material out there is from RSD a few years back, no canned sh!t and no fvcked up clothes or other gimmicks needed.

MGTOW and incels can go burn in hell for all I care. For what little they get right there's a mountain they get wrong and what they do get right isn't unique to their group. Better not look up to those losers in any way.

 

[Xenom0rph]

That's Pook's Anti-Dump isn't it? This is the idea that you just pursue women giving you a high IL and NEXT everyone else. That's one aspect of red-pill/game advice. PUA/Game has many different theories (i.e. just look at the plethora of experts in the 00s).

Bro, we're taking an MMA approach, we don't concern ourselves with where it comes from or who came up with it first or who's name is associated with it. All that matters is if it has a useful application.

MGTOW deals more about being cautious when engaging in LTRs/marriages because of the legal and cultural climate.

Then that sounds like a useful lesson for a man, regardless of his personal opinion of MGTOW in its entirety.....

The Blackpill "truth" still aligns with Pook's Anti-Dump. If you pursue a woman who has rejected you because of your height, race, or baldness, then that's not following Pook's Anti-Dump. Blackpill is really a nihilistic version of the Redpill, so it's really two sides of the same coin. If you don't have high-IL women to pursue in the first place, then that's more Blackpill/incel territory. If you have high-IL women then that's Pook's Anti-dump comes in.

Again, MMA..... adapt what is practical for your situation and discard whatever isn't.......

 

[Alvafe]

mixing techs in dealing with woman is something you should already be doing, you don't need to have a mental masturbation about it, it should be something you do, the whole do what work for you is doing so

btw why you guys love to bring incels up? that is mostly something you bring to ofend someone, no one with a sound mind would declare himself as that, with means if you belive you are, you really should seek treatment

 

[MatureDJ]

Is it possible for us to take a Mixed Martial Arts approach and appropriate the useful aspects of these subcultures and form a new dating strategy?

PUA
MGTOW
Incel

PUA is the "make money in real estate with no money down" BS applied to dating. Incel is the realization that PUA does not work for the incel-tier man, and thus that "it's OVER". MGTOW covers a broad spectrum from being "incel in denial" to "I could pick up chicks, but these days, they are just not worth it".

 

[Xenom0rph]

mixing techs in dealing with woman is something you should already be doing, you don't need to have a mental masturbation about it, it should be something you do, the whole do what work for you is doing so

btw why you guys love to bring incels up? that is mostly something you bring to ofend someone, no one with a sound mind would declare himself as that, with means if you belive you are, you really should seek treatment

There are a lot of highly intelligent, capable and financially successful guys in the incel community - particularly the ricecels and the currycels. These men generally work in the tech field in Silicon Valley and, as some might be familiar, the Pacific Northwest (particularly the Bay Area) is hostile towards rice and curry....

I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of Google and Apple male employees are in fact incels..... I personally wouldn't be so dismissive about what these men have to say....

 

[Alvafe]

There are a lot of highly intelligent, capable and financially successful guys in the incel community - particularly the ricecels and the currycels. These men generally work in the tech field in Silicon Valley and, as some might be familiar, the Pacific Northwest (particularly the Bay Area) is hostile towards rice and curry....

I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of Google and Apple male employees are in fact incels..... I personally wouldn't be so dismissive about what these men have to say....

having money is half the battle, they can get at least a gold digger, incels diplays as fat loner underpaid men, who have problems to pay even escorts,

now rice and curry? the hell is that? is food junkies or just a slang for asians?

also note if by all means incels would really know anything they wouldn't be called incels, if anything they are the ones who need to learn a lot

 

[MatureDJ]

btw why you guys love to bring incels up? that is mostly something you bring to ofend someone, no one with a sound mind would declare himself as that, with means if you belive you are, you really should seek treatment

I beg to differ. Realizing that one is an incel (or at least somewhere on the spectrum of incel) allows for one to gain internal peace by realizing that it's not that he's a loser, but that he is unfortunate to live in a clown-world society era. And regarding oneself as an incel is not forever - a lot of incels try to organically gain self-congruence, build value, and give it another shot to ascend. Here are pictures of the "holy of the holies" incel ascending:

 

[Alvafe]

I beg to differ. Realizing that one is an incel (or at least somewhere on the spectrum of incel) allows for one to gain internal peace by realizing that it's not that he's a loser, but that he is unfortunate to live in a clown-world society era. And regarding oneself as an incel is not forever - a lot of incels try to organically gain self-congruence, build value, and give it another shot to ascend. Here is a picture of the "holy of the holies" incel ascending:

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its helps you are not the only loser?

losing is losing, alone or with over millions people don't make you feel better, at most these people will start to resent the ones who are not

and btw like I said if HE belive he is a incels, its time to seek treatment/ help

 

[Mike32ct]

its helps you are not the only loser?

losing is losing, alone or with over millions people don't make you feel better, at most these people will start to resent the ones who are not

and btw like I said if HE belive he is a incels, its time to seek treatment/ help

If nothing else, these guys will feel better finding out just how common their problem is. 'Cels used to be maybe less 3 percent of the population. They are now probably north of 20 percent and headed for 30.

What kind of treatment? Is a therapist going to help a guy get laid?

 

[Alvafe]

If nothing else, these guys will feel better finding out just how common their problem is. 'Cels used to be maybe less 3 percent of the population. They are now probably north of 20 percent and headed for 30.

What kind of treatment? Is a therapist going to help a guy get laid?

mostly the loser mentality, I think most of us came here to learn to do better no? and we do now too no? most are even too scared to even try, and some when try look creep like hell

 

[MatureDJ]

If nothing else, these guys will feel better finding out just how common their problem is. 'Cels used to be maybe less 3 percent of the population. They are now probably north of 20 percent and headed for 30.

What kind of treatment? Is a therapist going to help a guy get laid?

Exactly, there is no treatment other than trying to maximize whatever their garbage genetics had bequeathed to them. Gymcels and shortcels are perfect examples of not having the option of even working hard to ascend.

 

[Xenom0rph]

If the legendary Saint Blackops2cel can ascend from his inceldom then there is hope.....

Ascension is possible, my friends....