Should men be "grateful" that women allow men to betabux them?

[Lynx nkaf]

Or, she didn't care to know about it. Her rationale, after the fact, was this: It was none of her business because we weren't married, but once we are married then it's her business to know. She told me this after we were married and things were getting difficult.

The marriage itself had a run-time of about 3 months. We didn't actually live together during this time and I just visited her house mainly. The 1 month in is more like the beginning of the end of any positive thoughts or feelings towards the marriage and feeling like I'm in something I didn't sign-up for. I was the one who insisted on marriage for religious reasons and we were even in a hotel room that she paid for out of her credit card where I refused to have sex with her and said we should get married first. My conscience didn't feel right about it any other way.

She visited my home about a month before we got married. She said she was willing to help clean up the place and didn't see a problem with even living there if push came to shove. However, her whole attitude towards my home drastically changed within the month after the wedding. She no longer wanted to help clean the home but insisted I hire an expensive maid service instead. She started complaining the home was too small, that I lived in a ghetto area, and I remember having to cancel a planned bike ride to have to rush home because she made a surprise visit with her folks to evaluate whether our home was decent or not. Can you imagine how humiliating that felt for me? This is one example where she did see the truth before she married me and turned on me afterwards. The first reason she gave when she first asked for a divorce was that she didn't like my home.

So, while I would like to believe she simply didn't believe my financials, and thought I'm just doing some elaborate test to weed-out gold-diggers (which maybe some guy do that), the example with the house is something of her own doing. At least I lost my V-card out of all this. Nobody in my family or close friends are feeling sorry for me that I never been with a woman before and are either quiet, or urge caution before dealing with anyone else.

awww, fuk
I had my exfiance scrawl a sarcastic huge signature on the selfcounsel do-it-yourself prenup agreement book I bought and whip it at my legs in psycho-anger. I left when he was in the shower.

 

[Robert28]

What about beta bux and being in the friendzone? Think that’s not common? It’s quite common! You know how many never even slept with the girl and still take her on dates and buy her stuff for months, sometimes years? More than you’d like to know.

 

[Pandora]

So what is the difference between being a beta bux and being a "high value" male. The manosphere preaches striving for financial success but isnt that just making you a betabux.

I thought the holy triad is LMS. Looks, status and money. What use is trying to get the money if all it turns you into is a target?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So what is the difference between being a beta bux and being a "high value" male. The manosphere preaches striving for financial success but isnt that just making you a betabux.

I thought the holy triad is LMS. Looks, status and money. What use is trying to get the money if all it turns you into is a target?

It doesn't matter if you have money, they should ultimately come for the dee. They should value your company and respect you. The money and trappings should be icing on the cake.

 

[Visionist]

At least I lost my V-card out of all this.

Was the sex even any good?

 

[corrector]

Was the sex even any good?

I had some issues with the equipment on my end which required herbals. It felt like I had pressure to perform and was always worried nothing might happen or if it does it would just go back down, etc.... She liked cunnilingus but I was grossed-out by it and only did that once at some point later on after she really showered up. I was 38 when I married her rather than being in my 20s where it may have been better. It looks like I was more worried about having children with her because I knew that would cement things and I wasn't sure about her as things looked too shaky around being with her so I didn't really go all the way to completion. We never wore condoms and she would not allow me to put one on so the only birth control method was to pull out before I popped (if it went that far).

I don't have anyone else to contrast sex with as I've only had sex with my ex-wife, so she's the best and worst. There were some hot times before we got married. (ie. I fapped on her face and came all over her Bridal shower dress after the party, or she gave me head inside my Real-Estate office etc.. like stuff like that, but that was before we got married).

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I had some issues with the equipment on my end which required herbals. It felt like I had pressure to perform and was always worried nothing might happen or if it does it would just go back down, etc.... She liked cunnilingus but I was grossed-out by it and only did that once at some point later on after she really showered up. I was 38 when I married her rather than being in my 20s where it may have been better. It looks like I was more worried about having children with her because I knew that would cement things and I wasn't sure about her as things looked too shaky around being with her so I didn't really go all the way to completion. We never wore condoms and she would not allow me to put one on so the only birth control method was to pull out before I popped (if it went that far).

I don't have anyone else to contrast sex with as I've only had sex with my ex-wife, so she's the best and worst. There were some hot times before we got married. (ie. I fapped on her face and came all over her Bridal shower dress after the party, or she gave me head inside my Real-Estate office etc.. like stuff like that, but that was before we got married).

What about after marriage?

 

[corrector]

What about after marriage?

She is gone. No contact except her asking if I have a copy of the divorce certificate to give to her to which I always said no since dont care about getting a copy. She also texted if I ever went to jail. Nothing good came out of that trainwreck.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

She is gone. No contact except her asking if I have a copy of the divorce certificate to give to her to which I always said no since dont care about getting a copy. She also texted if I ever went to jail. Nothing good came out of that trainwreck.

What i was asking if she waa still fvcking good after marriage or was that shut down?

 

[Visionist]

That's rough man. Have you considered hitting up some professionals to sexercise your libido and explore your tastes? It's what I've been doing since getting fat after surgery and chemo.

Despite the appalling expenditure in cash I can still recommend it. I can't imagine not having sex at all for all this time.

 

[BadBoy89]

Parents together represent stability and is a very important function in a kid's life.

Parents together represent stability and function for SOCIETY, not for a kids life. It’s important for society that a man is locked down to look after a wife and kids, that way he doesn’t represent a challenge to status quo and the powers that be. Society doesn’t like change, freedom, anything outspoken or different.

Back in the day kids were raised by aunts, uncles, tribes of families. It’s only Disney that has brainwashed men to commit and have a family. Granted most men do want kids at some point, but that has nothing to do with staying together with a wife.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I would imagine some men are so lonely and starved for female companionship/sex that they’d be willing to betabux. Remember, many men believe money and a good job creates sexual attraction. Blue pillars gonna blue pill.

 

[corrector]

What i was asking if she waa still fvcking good after marriage or was that shut down?

That was already answered on post @26 in reply to @Visionist who then asked the same question you did. Your question is post # 27.
The only logical flow of the thread was to see if anything happened after the divorce. Just re-read post #26 then.

 

[Xenom0rph]

I was reading this, and got outraged:

https://i.redd.it/6q7o36nxwta51.jpg

"I will never breed..... I will never krampee.... I will krampee a girl.... It's over....."

 

[corrector]

That's rough man. Have you considered hitting up some professionals to sexercise your libido and explore your tastes? It's what I've been doing since getting fat after surgery and chemo.

Despite the appalling expenditure in cash I can still recommend it. I can't imagine not having sex at all for all this time.

It sounds like you are an escortcel. I spitefully used two escorts on Dec 4 & Dec 5, 2014 but no vaginal penetration occurred.
The first escort was very G.F.E. framed and I basically danced with a naked woman to her Spanish music, but I hugged her very tightly, gropped her allot and kissed her cheeks and played with her hair and smelled her face. She sat on my lap and she stood infront of me where I saw her shaved pvssy. There was no erection at all in this session even though she bent over her bed and offered her fat a$$ to me. It's like she wanted me to do something but I wasn't up to it.

The second escort was a day later. This time I used a herbal. She gave me oral on it being limp and it erected in her mouth and her a$$ was to my face while she was doing that. She tried to stick it inside her but I pushed her off but then grabbed her a$$ and pushed her in and out until I came (it was just outside of her but not inside). However, after this occurred there was a crippling spiritual attack the following day and I had a mental break-down where I was incapacitated for about a month. It was believed the last escort may have been part of some cult and the evil spirits just came and attacked me. While I was incapacitated for a month, the emotional fall-out of that lasted well over into 2016 and after. During the mental break-down I was unable to enjoy any food, had sensations all over the place, was afraid of getting an erection or viewing any further porn/escort images, unable to watch movies/videos, and had to move out of the home and rent a hotel to change the venue.

Its such a nasty experience that I feel I brought this on myself for $ 60. So, I'm not going there since I value my mind, I value being able to watch movies, TV shows, enjoy coffee, or food, to drive, to sleep, and the majority of the time there is no issues. I don't want to disturb my mind again just like that. If you are "okay" and it's not creating a catastrophic event visiting an escort, then it works for you. Maybe the cheap escorts because they are at seedy locations and seeing allot of clients, may hit the mind in a bad way, but I can't say definitively about this. It could really be allot of evil spirits associated with it.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

It sounds like you are an escortcel. I spitefully used two escorts on Dec 4 & Dec 5, 2014 but no vaginal penetration occurred.
The first escort was very G.F.E. framed and I basically danced with a naked woman to her Spanish music, but I hugged her very tightly, gropped her allot and kissed her cheeks and played with her hair and smelled her face. She sat on my lap and she stood infront of me where I saw her shaved pvssy. There was no erection at all in this session even though she bent over her bed and offered her fat a$$ to me. It's like she wanted me to do something but I wasn't up to it.

The second escort was a day later. This time I used a herbal. She gave me oral on it being limp and it erected in her mouth and her a$$ was to my face while she was doing that. She tried to stick it inside her but I pushed her off but then grabbed her a$$ and pushed her in and out until I came (it was just outside of her but not inside). However, after this occurred there was a crippling spiritual attack the following day and I had a mental break-down where I was incapacitated for about a month. It was believed the last escort may have been part of some cult and the evil spirits just came and attacked me. While I was incapacitated for a month, the emotional fall-out of that lasted well over into 2016 and after. During the mental break-down I was unable to enjoy any food, had sensations all over the place, was afraid of getting an erection or viewing any further porn/escort images, unable to watch movies/videos, and had to move out of the home and rent a hotel to change the venue.

Its such a nasty experience that I feel I brought this on myself for $ 60. So, I'm not going there since I value my mind, I value being able to watch movies, TV shows, enjoy coffee, or food, to drive, to sleep, and the majority of the time there is no issues. I don't want to disturb my mind again just like that. If you are "okay" and it's not creating a catastrophic event visiting an escort, then it works for you. Maybe the cheap escorts because they are at seedy locations and seeing allot of clients, may hit the mind in a bad way, but I can't say definitively about this. It could really be allot of evil spirits associated with it.

maybe you should try marrying again.
The vast majority here feel that regular sex keeps a person healthier and more balanced.
Now if your strict spiritual value system only permits sex within marriage then maybe you should get married again.

There's lots of help here to get you through all the steps leading up to marriage so you know you've picked the right one.
But do this.
Don't selfidentify as a 'cel' of any type.
You've got just as much game as the next person and have the capability to succeed at this.
I have old friends who only had sex within marriage and they are still married. You can be just as successful, corrector.

You know you can, that's why you're here learning.

Think of it this way.
In the natural order of life we all experience our parents pass away.

You may not be married with regular sex by that time, but I hope to see you've been trying steadily to achieve that goal when you experience their passings.
Leaving it to the last minute like I did when my father began dying will skew your judgement and decisionmaking ability.

 

[corrector]

maybe you should try marrying again.

I'm not talking to anyone or have any prospects.

The vast majority here feel that regular sex keeps a person healthier and more balanced.
Now if your strict spiritual value system only permits sex within marriage then maybe you should get married again.

If there was a good option to get remarried, then I would get remarried.

There's lots of help here to get you through all the steps leading up to marriage so you know you've picked the right one.

It would be interesting to hear from @Atom Smasher . There are very few posters who share the same values like I do.

But do this.
Don't selfidentify as a 'cel' of any type.
You've got just as much game as the next person and have the capability to succeed at this.

I identify as a Christian.

I have old friends who only had sex within marriage and they are still married. You can be just as successful, corrector.

You are right.

You know you can, that's why you're here learning.

Agreed.

 

[metalwater]

I'm not talking to anyone or have any prospects.



If there was a good option to get remarried, then I would get remarried.



It would be interesting to hear from @Atom Smasher . There are very few posters who share the same values like I do.




I identify as a Christian.



You are right.



Agreed.

I read some of your stuff, albeit not all. I could identify with some of the things and not others. From the things I could identify with you might find value in a deep dive red pill adventure. There is some weird stuff in that, but some good also. The whole physical fitness push to the extreme from the red pill is useful for mind and body, really useful. You can spit it back up later, after giving it a try. I think it was useful for me, although I am still a work in progress.

I grew up really bright blue pill(had no idea what that meant but I do now). It was a disaster in every sense of the word, probably why I can identify with some of what you tell although different. Some of the stories I could tell about what I did by choice...; this forum would be laughing their asses off for hours and me with them NOW.

The physical is something you can do(probably) that will set in motion a set of things that if you continue to listen to good advice can have huge improvements. Nothing fixes everything overnight, but for a man, the physical thing is a really good foundation and easy to understand what to do. You will notice improvements if you do it.

I could have it wrong.. physical care usually fits with bedroom problems... I know first hand about that and how it can mess with us. It is worth fixing if possible. One of the posters in this forum that I appreciate the most is constantly aksing or telling about the emotional value of fcking a lot. He is right, and being in good shape will help that, and those two things together will fix much other broken stuff. It is a funny-looking pill to swallow especially for those of us that have a lot of Christian teaching in our soal because those issues usually get left out. After you make the changes you don't have to ever accept the advances of the women outside of marriage, but it feels better to turn them down than to not have them asking.

HTH