So it’s been a few months , is COVID a bunch of bologna or still think it’s a real threat?

[Who Dares Win]

** please don’t derail this thread with bickering over opinions, we are all adults and are entitled to have our own opinions without insulting each other.

So here’s my first hand experience with Covid so far:

-Main girl is nurse, in hospital, on Covid unit taking care of Covid positives. She can recall about 5 deaths. All chronically ill. In other words these were people that were on deaths door before Covid. There is almost no way to say these people wouldn’t have died anyway without the Covid diagnosis.

- Me personally, part time nurse tech at a nursing home. Handful of Covid positives 0 deaths. Witnessed a 102 year old woman be diagnosed with Covid, remain completely asymptomatic and recover in a couple weeks with a negative test.

-Have extensive friend group, a few have tested positive for Covid Almost all asymptomatic.
I have yet to form an opinion of Covid, this is just my first hand experience.. Interested in hearing your experience and opinions.

I believe covid and deaths are like steroids and hairloss.

They hardly create it except in a very small percentage of people but often speed it up when its already happening or going to happen soon.

Needless to say killing a countrys economy is the worse decision ever since poverty and lack of services create problems by themselves even when they do not exist in a previous point.

 

[logicallefty]

None immediate, one removed. Coworker next to me lost his father to covid. He still won’t wear a mask.

We’re unable to tell permanent damage or if reinfection is possible.

Me being a cop I know a lot of EMTs and Paramedics. What they are telling me from the front lines of emergency rooms when they bring in patients and talk with ER staff is that patients are being labeled as Covid that are clearly not.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

In my experience of being covid positive and knowing 5 people who were also hit with it, it's mainly just viral pneumonia.

If you are the type of person who's going to have complications from viral pneumonia (sick, elderly, compromised immune system, diabetes, heart disease, etc), then you are probably going to have a hard time with covid.

But if you can handle viral pneumonia with dayquil/nyquil/chicken noodle soup like me, then you will be fine in 3-4 weeks.

ah, good ol chicken noodle soup, can't beat it

 

[EyeBRollin]

Me being a cop I know a lot of EMTs and Paramedics. What they are telling me from the front lines of emergency rooms when they bring in patients and talk with ER staff is that patients are being labeled as Covid that are clearly not.

That’s hearsay. But like I said, I’m not willing to sacrifice my own lungs or my parents to the unknown. Are you?

 

[logicallefty]

That’s hearsay. But like I said, I’m not willing to sacrifice my own lungs or my parents to the unknown. Are you?

Im willing to do my own critical thinking regarding reality vs being paranoid based on the totality of information before me, including where said information came from.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Im willing to do my own critical thinking regarding reality vs being paranoid based on the totality of information before me, including where said information came from.

There is no right or wrong answer to this on an individual level. However, for public policy the question I posed to @Xenom0rph is what governments are grappling with:

Would you rather shut down hospitals or the economy? The vast majority of countries have and will continue to choose the latter.

 

[logicallefty]

There is no right or wrong answer to this on an individual level. However, for public policy the question I posed to @Xenom0rph is what governments are grappling with:

Would you rather shut down hospitals or the economy? The vast majority of countries have and will continue to choose the latter.

I would rather people at high risk for Corona take extra precautions while leaving the economy and the rest of us to go about our business.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I would rather people at high risk for Corona take extra precautions while leaving the economy and the rest of us to go about our business.

That is no longer an option. That ship sailed back in February when the US failed to contain community spread. At this point, that question will continue to haunt us until herd immunity or a vaccine. Sounds like you choose option 1?

 

[EyeBRollin]

We can go into a battlefield and get our brains blown off, but we can't risk a catching a respiratory illness that mainly kills the sick and vulnerable to the point where we had to shut everything down to where 1/4th of the population is unemployed.

The first wave of COVID has already killed more Americans than all post-WW2 U.S. wars combined.

 

[thinker]

I live in the Miami , Fort Lauderdale area of Florida which is by far the worst hit area in all of Florida. On top of that I have multiple family members that work locally in healthcare (doctors and nurses). At the highest point of infections and hospitalizations there were plenty of hospital beds available and my family members were even having their hours cut because there wasn't much to do. My family members also told me that the overwhelming number of cases were actually very mild. We have had another spike in cases and again the cycle repeats itself, most cases mild and plenty of hospital space and resources. It was over hyped but the doom and gloom crowed is to invested in it to let it go, it's more important to them then their balls.

 

[Xenom0rph]

There is no right or wrong answer to this on an individual level. However, for public policy the question I posed to @Xenom0rph is what governments are grappling with:

Would you rather shut down hospitals or the economy? The vast majority of countries have and will continue to choose the latter.

As we have seen in NYC when the US Navy floating hospital ships weren't needed, it's not an either/or situation - hospitals did not reach capacity in NYC (the worst hit state) or anywhere else.

I actually agree with what you wrote: COVID is "no big deal"....

 

[logicallefty]

That is no longer an option. That ship sailed back in February when the US failed to contain community spread. At this point, that question will continue to haunt us until herd immunity or a vaccine. Sounds like you choose option 1?

I choose neither option. From this point on it sounds like we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[EyeBRollin]

As we have seen in NYC when the US Navy floating hospital ships weren't needed, it's not an either/or situation - hospitals did not reach capacity in NYC (the worst hit state) or anywhere else.

I actually agree with what you wrote: COVID is "no big deal"....

Wrong. You just proved my point. New York had full lockdown for two months, and is still partially locked down. New York chose the hospital system at the expense of the economy. Would you have preferred the alternative?

 

[Lookatu]

I'll quote myself again.

"Covid-19 did not prove itself as deadly just because a lot of Americans died. It proved that a large percentage of Americans have heart disease due to bad diets and lifestyle.

America leads the world in obesity and heart disease. And so it leads the world in covid deaths."

I agree with this as well. How come anytime I see the media cover Covid Patients, they are either old or all obese?

 

[Xenom0rph]

Wrong. You just proved my point. New York had full lockdown for two months, and is still partially locked down. New York chose the hospital system at the expense of the economy. Would you have preferred the alternative?

This reminds me of those crazy Christians who are convinced that doomsday will come on XX/XX/XXXX.... and then when doomsday doesn't come they'll claim it was because they prayed for God's forgiveness and so doomsday was averted.....

Sorry dude, your fear-mongering is literrally identical to those Christian nutjobs.....

You were right the first time: COVID is "no big deal".....

 

[Lookatu]

There was a time in our society where we protected the sick and elderly while the abled had to march on to advance civilization. Like for example, every single war. I don't know what happened to that society. It's no longer the society we live in anymore.

We can go into a battlefield and get our brains blown off, but we can't risk a catching a respiratory illness that mainly kills the sick and vulnerable to the point where we had to shut everything down to where 1/4th of the population is unemployed.

This is true. The younger millenial generation never really went through anything catostrophic in their lives so of course they don't know how to handle it or what to think of it. My 95yo neighbor went through the Great Depression, WW2, He was a war prisoner, etc. and he doesn't wear any masks because that's nothing compared to the things he went through before.

Also many senior citizen's that volunteer for food pickup in my area don't wear masks while young people alongside them wear them. Another difference in thinking between some of the older generation that's been through a lot.

Now adays, people get traumatized if FB glitches or is down for a couple hours...

 

[cola]

THIS, Is what’s pissing me off. What the f*ck are you going to do close down the town every time there is a surge? I thought the point of the first shut down was for states to prepare hospitals? Well you’ve has 5 months!
Tell me the risks, and let me decide if a night at the bar is too risky. Don’t keep closing things down.
Covid ain’t going no where! It’s going to be a new normal. Just like flu season every year it’s going to now be Covid & Flu season, stop closing sh*t. Old and immune compromised,
Stay home!

 

[EyeBRollin]

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THIS, Is what’s pissing me off. What the f*ck are you going to do close down the town every time there is a surge? I thought the point of the first shut down was for states to prepare hospitals? Well you’ve has 5 months!
Tell me the risks, and let me decide if a night at the bar is too risky. Don’t keep closing things down.
Covid ain’t going no where! It’s going to be a new normal. Just like flu season every year it’s going to now be Covid & Flu season, stop closing sh*t. Old and immune compromised,
Stay home!

Unfortunately public health is one case where other people’s choices affect the whole society. Its not so much you going to a bar it’s you picking up the virus at the bar then exposing an elderly or vulnerable person without knowing it. In many cases that person can be one or two people removed from yourself.

A lot of people just don’t want to accept that the public policy choice is hospital system vs economy but that’s what it is. It has nothing to do with “fear of sickness.”

 

[cola]

Unfortunately public health is one case where other people’s choices affect the whole society. Its not so much you going to a bar it’s you picking up the virus at the bar then exposing an elderly or vulnerable person without knowing it. In many cases that person can be one or two people removed from yourself.

A lot of people just don’t want to accept that the public policy choice is hospital system vs economy but that’s what it is. It has nothing to do with “fear of sickness.”

It does not have to be hospital vs economy.. we’ve had five months to convert arenas, building, convention centers into hospitals in anticipation of a second surge, that was literally the purpose of the 4 month shutdown.. what they chose to do with that time I don’t know.

Older people and immuno - compromised, I’m sorry but you have a responsibility to protect yourself.

 

[Xenom0rph]

It does not have to be hospital vs economy.. we’ve had five months to convert arenas, building, convention centers into hospitals in anticipation of a second surge, that was literally the purpose of the 4 month shutdown.. what they chose to do with that time I don’t know.

It definitely was never an either/or situation.....