So we are sacrificing the livelihoods of the strong and able in able to save the weak and infirm? Over 20m have lost their jobs in the US. Is this cost we must pay to save 100,000, 1m or even 10m lives? The governments are making the greatest blunder in the history of mankind with all these lockdowns and quarantines.
COVID is a lie.
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Are you asymptomatic, experience mild symptoms, or you just didn't catch the virus yet? Different people, from all walks of life, including children, very healthy marathon runners at a young age, all across the board are dying horribly from this virus. Sure, lots of people are asymptomatic or have few symptoms but they can pass them to healthy people who can end up dying, that's almost akin to murder.
You don't care about 1 million or 10 million lives? See your example just keeps going higher in body-count. Why did you stop at 10 million? Why not stop at 100 million or half the population, or 3/4 of the population, or how about just leave a million survivors? Where do you draw the line?
I've watched a half-dozen people die from Covid-19 and see more people in my facility get it every day. It's not a lie. It's very real and deserves to be treated as such.
If left to work it's way through our society unobstructed it will kill many more people AND the economy which cannot handle a half-million or million deaths in the space of a year.
If left to work it's way through our society unobstructed it will kill many more people AND the economy which cannot handle a half-million or million deaths in the space of a year.
backseatjuan
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Tell that to Jesus.
The weak should have been isolated from the start and had their wages covered by the government
The rest of the world should have carried on as normal
The only problem is the odd "fit and healthy" person does indeed die from the disease
But every war has collateral damage
The rest of the world should have carried on as normal
The only problem is the odd "fit and healthy" person does indeed die from the disease
But every war has collateral damage
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What were their symptoms? How were they treated? Age range of patients? Were they put on a ventilator?
taiyuu_otoko
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How can it not work its way through society?
This is kind of like chemotherapy.
They blast both healthy cells and cancer cells with poison, hoping the healthy cells will grow back.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
But it usually sucks pretty bad.
Now they are sort of doing the same.
Blasting the economy and the livelihood of tens of millions, hoping it will kill the disease, and the temporarily out of work and suffering, innocent, people will somehow bounce back.
There are absolutely no guarantees that they will.
If they don't bounce back, we've got a ruined economy with tens of millions of jobless and homeless people.
There are absolutely no guarantees that the people saved by the lock down will not be greater than the people killed by the lockdown.
Every percentage increase in unemployment is associated between 10,000 suicides.
But politicians and others with power tend to choose based only on what they can see in the short term.
They never care about long term negative consequences.
That is always somebody else's problem.
S/S: Shortness of breath, fever, Pulse ox<95, sometimes much lower, high WBC count, low heme
TX: We put them on O2 and, if possible, in the prone position. They were all transferred to the hospital but due to space they were all sent back if they were not on ventilators.
Age: 75+
Vent: They are not giving everyone vents from what I understand. Age is definitely a factor.
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Of course the odd "fit and healthy" person, even children, will sometimes die anyway, from any number of causes. It would be nice if we could say we will not allow even one death from this, but that's not a realistic, or even possible, way to run society.
Not only has it not killed the virus, the virus is spreading, even with the lockdown. There's more virus around now than a few months ago when we started this thing. Now they want to open things back up. That seems to be based on nothing other than everyone being sick of this and saying "Screw it". And that society can't function indefinitely on total lockdown. And that the health care system hasn't been overrun, which was what all this was supposed to prevent anyway. Makes you wonder if all this was worth it in the first place.
Bible_Belt
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Forcing people into unsafe working conditions without adequate testing or protective gear is somehow less tyrannical? We haven't even passed the laws yet to give large corporations lawsuit immunity for negligently killing their workers.
Nobody is forcing anyone - those that wish to stay at home are free to do so - just like how Elon Musk is reopening his Fremont plant, employees may return if they wish or stay home if they wish.....
Why did you purposely distort my post by cherrypicking only a fragment of what I wrote and twist it to imply that people HAVE to go back to work against their will? Are you trying to spin a narrative?
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AttackFormation
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The economic "crash" is already a lie. There is no crop failure, infrastructure collapse, war, mass crime, material shortage, or even a real mass death like from the bubonic plague. There is no technical problem. The problem is only administrative: the flow of money can't be directed properly so people can keep paying their financial costs of living. That's it. It's basically an exaggerated debt deflation.
Calling these things "crashes" and "crises" when there is none of the things I described above just shows you how much power words have over perception, and perception is reality. What these economic "crashes" and "crises" should really be called is something like "maladministration". How would people react if we talked about terms like debt deflation at all, and used words like maladministration instead of crisis when referring to the economy? Perception of reality can and would be very different with different terms and rhetoric... as I'm sure there are those who are well aware of.
It's the same thing with job shortages. In technical reality there is no shortage of work in itself, there is plenty of work to do in all kinds of blue, pink, and white collar fields... but the way we administrate that work into jobs, that's how a "shortage" is created. If a 4 hour day, 20 hour work week was instituted tomorrow, all of a sudden some would say there is a pandemic "labor shortage". But all that was changed was administrative.
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I prefer to call it "Scamdemic".
yeah no when goverment is finning people walking in the street or bussiness who is working, or the poilce gang up on a single person because somehow is is fishing in the sea and it was forbidden
Bible_Belt
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Every state and company varies somewhat, but most people do have to go back to work when their employer re opens, because their unemployment will get yanked. There are very few, if any, mandatory sick leave laws in the United states as well, so especially in low paying jobs, we will have contagious people forced into the workplace.
Therefore, introducing for an unlimited time, the McRona Burger! Or try the all new McCovid Kid's Meal!
We basically used a nuclear warhead to kill a fly and the fly is still alive. What I think we should have done is what they did in South Dakota and I believe Sweden. We should have not shut anything down and let people use their brains and free will to decide what is the best course of action in their lives. Let business owners stay open or close and let people decide whether they want to use the goods or services of those businesses. The one thing I would have done as far as the government goes is I would have called up the national guard and I would have had them set up field hospitals and staff said hospitals to help with any overflow from local hospitals in order to keep the local hospitals from being overrun.
Most states suspended the requirement to actively seek work while on unemployment during lockdown. Therefore they arent required to go back to work if they feel it is unsafe.
However, individuals who are willing and able to work are being forced into lockdown to accommodate the few...
....COVID19 only has an approximate 7.5% death rate, therefore to force the remaining 92.5% to lockdown is a form of tyranny.....
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We wouldn't know what Corona was if Trump wasn't running again. It's another ploy to get him out of office by blaming him for everything. Russian collusion hoax, impeachment hoax, now covid hoax, you know 3rd times a charm. I've seen enough info for me to determine this is a hoax to a degree. I've connected enough dots that this plannedemic has many outcomes entangled in the plans web.
Nurses confronting their bosses that their treatments are killing, not saving. Then those nurses get transferred to another facility or taking their patient away from them only for them to die. Dr's showing letters from their superiors that all patients who die be listed as Covid. More people than I can count whos friend or family member died of a drug overdose but hospital listed COD as Covid.
People showing their Dr visit forms who were marked for having covid when no test was even given. To people swabbing animals and fruit but marking the samples as human with names and ages that came back testing positive. Hospitals get a lot of money for having Covid patients and even more for having them on a ventilator. For example if a patient has phenomena, they get $7k, if its Phenomena with Covid they get $14k and $38k if they are put on a ventilator. So hospitals are basically pencil whipping diagnosis and intentionally killing patients so they can not only profit but some to lower their debt.
Numerous pulmonary Dr's from across the country stating they've had 99.5% survival rate using hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C, ect. Recently two Magnesium plants go up in flames which is one main ingredient for hydroxychloroquine. All the videos that state all this stuff are being censored on YT, FB and Google. Having to wear masks which does nothing. All these democrats pressing for mail in voting. I can keep going with all the other stuff I've found. There is too many coincidences to not make it a hoax.
This will be like another 9/11 inside job to spread more fear, strip more of our illusionary freedom, have new BS rules/laws, new ways of doing things. Wouldn't even be surprised if airports start adding testing of some kind that you must get there hours before your flight. Would not be the least bit surprised if close to election time there will be another surprise spike of Corona to yet again hurt Trump and everyone goes into panic mode. This is not a political rant by any means, just stating the obvious.
Nurses confronting their bosses that their treatments are killing, not saving. Then those nurses get transferred to another facility or taking their patient away from them only for them to die. Dr's showing letters from their superiors that all patients who die be listed as Covid. More people than I can count whos friend or family member died of a drug overdose but hospital listed COD as Covid.
People showing their Dr visit forms who were marked for having covid when no test was even given. To people swabbing animals and fruit but marking the samples as human with names and ages that came back testing positive. Hospitals get a lot of money for having Covid patients and even more for having them on a ventilator. For example if a patient has phenomena, they get $7k, if its Phenomena with Covid they get $14k and $38k if they are put on a ventilator. So hospitals are basically pencil whipping diagnosis and intentionally killing patients so they can not only profit but some to lower their debt.
Numerous pulmonary Dr's from across the country stating they've had 99.5% survival rate using hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C, ect. Recently two Magnesium plants go up in flames which is one main ingredient for hydroxychloroquine. All the videos that state all this stuff are being censored on YT, FB and Google. Having to wear masks which does nothing. All these democrats pressing for mail in voting. I can keep going with all the other stuff I've found. There is too many coincidences to not make it a hoax.
This will be like another 9/11 inside job to spread more fear, strip more of our illusionary freedom, have new BS rules/laws, new ways of doing things. Wouldn't even be surprised if airports start adding testing of some kind that you must get there hours before your flight. Would not be the least bit surprised if close to election time there will be another surprise spike of Corona to yet again hurt Trump and everyone goes into panic mode. This is not a political rant by any means, just stating the obvious.
This is an absolutely righteous post. I salute you my man.
