This is How Bad It's Getting Out There...

[captainsemiobvious]

The average woman has far more leverage today than ever before. Assuming certain conditions: she is in her 20's, has at least a passably attractive face, and puts herself in situations where it's socially acceptable for men to approach her.

Tuesdays are a casual date night out locally. You can approach women, too, although there's less desperation and urgency compared to weekend nights. Here's a typical approach: a 20 something fellow, a bit heavy set, a bit desperate (sound familiar? a copy of the 3 year guy), but again, normal-ish. He approaches a 20 something girl. She is even more heavy set than the fellow, an average-ish face, at best. She is 4/10, or maybe a generous 5/10. He chats her up very briefly on his way out, and then puts his hands together in prayerful pose, and begs for her Instagram.

She puts on a bit of a show, dragging out her reply, making him wait. She finally agrees. Dude didn't have the gumption to approach her much more attractive girlfriend, who is smirking the entire time as average guy 2 debases himself in public. He finally gets her instagram, then crawls off into the night like a beaten dog.

 

[Georgepithyou]

There is no golden location, at least outside of SE Asia, Eastern Europe or Latin America. IT'S ALL BAD.

Everywhere is the same stop making excuses

 

[RickTheToad]

From low 5 thru high 6 is average or “normie” looks.

7 is above average or entry level Chadlite.

Never understood these Chad, Stacey, names. Seems high schoolish. My question was, what does the the person I quoted consider average and above in his mind.

 

[RickTheToad]

I’m 46. I was chasing tail as a horny teen 3 decades ago. I don’t need to be told what it was like, particularly by someone who was either a very young child or not even born yet.

I know what it was like.

I have succeeded and failed thousands of different ways for over 30 years, and I have adapted to all of the changes that everyone complains are barriers or disadvantages just fine.

I don’t believe women have changed much at all. I think most guys are just shell shocked from the exposure that technology helps reveal; aspects of women that were always there...things that are just easier to see now. But that doesn’t mean it didn’t exist or have to be dealt with years ago.

It’s like hearing about wars and conflicts all over the world and thinking things are getting really bad, but those acts have been carried out for centuries. You just hear more about them in bigger numbers now because of round the clock news coverage and 300 channels on cable, etc. compared to 30, 40 or 50 years ago when you only had 7 channels on tv and the local news was only on at 6 pm.

46 eh. Did you get your subscription to AARP yet? It's important for our senior citizens to have all the benefits they deserve. ;p

Here you go bud. @Amante Silvestre

 

[biggoal]

I already did in the post above yours.

25-30 years ago I was a semi-pro musician, touring, partying, making a lot of friends and connections, and with all of that came access/exposure to a lot of women. That required years of practicing and developing skills, years of socializing, years of work.

Today, every average guy generally has access to just as many women online, and there is no work or skill required to develop it. Log on to a computer and there it is, even if you’re a retard. And so The number of inept men online massively outnumbers the men who have a very well developed social acuity (and the amount of inept women becomes more visible as well).

It really should be no wonder why women tend to be far more selective in OLD apps then they normally are IRL, and why a decent looking guy with some good social skills can clean up on there, sexually at least.

It’s not easier for women to meet men IRL. It’s just less frustrating. IRL, most guys weed themselves out, whether due to social anxieties, fear of rejection, etc. So many men who wouldn’t make the cut never take the shot to begin with. That makes things a little bit easier for women.

But OLD doesn’t do that. Every swinging **** takes his shot, and so there is an inordinate number of men to weed through, many of which are very inept to boot.

It’s not always a sense of entitlement as many guys choose to believe (although it can be at times). It’s more often the lack of patience most women end up with when trying to pick through the weeds for so long. It gets to a point where women just figure they’ll try to milk it for whatever it’s worth to make it worthwhile at all: free meals, whatever. The ones who put up with it and keep trying often continue to do so for good reason: they are crazy, full of drama, have ugly personalities, tons of baggage, etc.

Once in a blue you might find a decent woman there, but that experience is usually reserved for men who can do just as well or better IRL.

Generally OLD should be nothing more than a passive perk that can yield a little more sexual variety.

If it’s work for you, you’re not working the right things that you need to. You’re neglecting something.

The problem is with smart phones now every guy is on OLD. I just think a lot of the decent women have give up on OLD or briefly try it and then give up. At least down here they tell me how they get bombared with messaged on OLD. Even a site that cost good money like match they get bombarded by all ages. An HB 9.5 and H8.5 I had dates with told me how they get bombarded and even d*ck picks from old men. I think the pervs have driven a lot of decent women off OLD and that's why you see very few women above 7.5 on OLD now. Especially pre wall. Women in their 20s getting tired of old pervs, etc. Even in the last year I notice a lot less women under 30 using OLD.

So the high end HB women who given up on OLD don't need OLD any and just meet people IRL.

 

[Spaz]

Don't hate on another for getting what he can get. Two, I call bullsh it on your "half dozen" girls that want to date you exclusively. Nice try dude. A for effort, A+ for being on cloud9.

Agreed.

With his mindset he ain't getting anything, not just pvssy, but just abt everything else he will be lacking and at the maximum, just mediocre success, if any at all.

This is what happens when men becomes cry babies.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why is this surprising? He has chosen to remain average and not work on improving himself to allow him to stand out in some way. Would you want to date an average woman who has nothing really going for them? Yeah well neither do they.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Exactly. Same situation here, been single for 3 years now, but recently stopped caring about women; whenever I display that I like one and ask them out, it always ends up the same, they like me as a friend but no attraction. And I will definitely NOT "work on myself" in order to have better chances with women. I work on my craft that's bringing me the results and working on my financial independence in the future.

Then you are a dumbass plain and simple.

 

[captainsemiobvious]

I ran into a bro similar to average guy 1 just today. He, also, is now in a steady relationship (I'm making assumptions here, I didn't inquire too closely). Here's the catch: he's in his late 30's. She's in her mid 50's. Perhaps not shockingly, he's been pursuing her for well over 2 years, let's say 3. It could be longer than that.

She has a pretty face and a huge rack. But, she has that typical, weathered appearance of a middle aged woman. She's been an acquaintance who I've never pursued for obvious reasons. But he set his sights on her 100%, regardless of the near two decades age gap.

I'm legitimately happy for him.

 

[Pandora]

You have to be avoidant attachment bare minimum to even survive in the Game that long as a woman. These women were never able to attach.

So this is the psychological term for what we are witnessing. Thanks Raider. I just read up on this term and it is fascinating. Any girl that can sleep with a male outside of a committed relationship is exhibiting avoidant attachment. It is not natural for a female to sleep with a man who she is not in a committed long term relationship with. This is why women require a backstory to pornography.

Any female who has casual sex even once is repressing her natural instinct of attachment to a man that enters her body. 15 yrs ago girls would get attached after sex. In todays world we have normalized this pathology of avoidant attachment. We have normalized insanity.

Much of this hypergamy can be neutralized if you date within a strong social circle. All bets are off if you see them frequently and are already vetted by the social circle. Girls are not that picky within the "tribe". The problem is that we live isolated lives devoid of social circles.

 

[Pandora]

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Analysis paralysis sometimes seems to be the theme of things.

Certain aspects have changed the logistics over the years: social media, cell phones/texting, OLD...but I don’t think things have changed so dramatically as it is sometimes made out to be.

20-30 years ago if you didn’t have a large social circle with women in it, or didn’t have the balls to do stone cold approaches, you were pretty much screwed. And even if you had such recourse, you still had to compete heavily within your own social circles.

If anything, the technology should give guys a much broader resource base to work with, even if women have become more selective because of it.

If someone stuck a computer in front of me in 1992 and told me there’s a list of thousands of women I can look at and try to hook up with, I would have considered it a gold mine; a weapon of mass destruction...an invaluable resource that never dries up.

Women are 100 times more accessible these days by comparison. That’s a fact. And even if many become entitled without good cause, you’re still able to access so many more women now that it’s not hard to just keep passing until you hit something better. You don’t have to entertain sh*t.

30 years ago if you “Nexted” a girl, you might very likely have to break into whole new social circles just to get another shot at another one; competing with a whole new set of men.

It should be easier, even if b*tches are crazy. And that’s the scary part: women are so much more accessible yet men are complaining 10 fold about the difficulties of hooking up or relationships.

Yeah it’s getting bad out there, but I wouldnt put the blame entirely on women or technology like a lot of guys so readily do. More and more men seem incapable of competing even with the huge upswing in accessibility to women compared to 2 or 3 decades ago. Imagine how much worse they would have been back then with a limited social pool....

Idk man....a limited pool means limited options for HER also. I was 14 two decades ago and it was definitely easier to pull back then.

 

[Pandora]

It's better that they do remain single. Or should those women settle with men they don't want and be miserable? Would you want to be one of those men? That to me sounds bleak.

The best thing for everyone's happiness is likely to be that those women stay single, and I mean that sincerely. People who are not suited to be in relationships, and especially those who are not suited to be parents, shouldn't be expected or pressured into being so. I say we should celebrate this development as good for everyone involved.

Interesting perspective....most of these CC riders would make horrible parents.

 

[biggoal]

I ran into a bro similar to average guy 1 just today. He, also, is now in a steady relationship (I'm making assumptions here, I didn't inquire too closely). Here's the catch: he's in his late 30's. She's in her mid 50's. Perhaps not shockingly, he's been pursuing her for well over 2 years, let's say 3. It could be longer than that.

She has a pretty face and a huge rack. But, she has that typical, weathered appearance of a middle aged woman. She's been an acquaintance who I've never pursued for obvious reasons. But he set his sights on her 100%, regardless of the near two decades age gap.

I'm legitimately happy for him.

And I'm getting torn up over someone who's younger, a 50 year old. The 50 year old teacher though has a very similar personality and a perfect face though and is in shape and looks young for her age.

Some 50 year olds are not bad looking. Look at Melania Trump. You can't say she's not hot.

 

[Pandora]

The frame is guys attribute masculinity to their ability to chase, as if it is some great life conquest. But in reality it's pathetic. Real men climb mountains and conquer social environments. Compare that to the ability to "cold approach," and it's laughable to see where these guys' values are at. A first grader can cold approach.

Dominate your social environment, cultivate value and influence, and have all women chasing you, and now we are talking.

The real masculine guy is the guy who is so dominant that reality skews towards his favor and all women supplicate to him.

They don't understand this power.

They'd rather be Johnny Bravo than Leonardo DiCaprio.

There is a Leo in every social environment that cleans up with zero effort. Infinite validation. That's how it's supposed to be.

It took me 34 yrs to finally realize that women are supposed to chase men. We have been brainwashed into thinking it was the other way around. They give off the signals and we just capitalize on it. The PUA movement had it backwards. I was a huge cold approach guy and I was good at it. But it was very inefficient. If I had real value I would not have had to approach dozens of girls.

The thrill of cold approaching can be fun though. The adrenaline rush of going up to a beautiful stranger and making her succumb to you charisma is addictive.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

People blame social media. I blame PUA's/pickup movement. There was a time where females would try to seduce me 24/7. Now it's once a blue moon. At most I get eye contact and open windows but I still have to put in some effort.

Even 6's are putting themselves in my vicinity and thinking eye contact is enough for me to do something.

There was a time where women had to work much harder to get guys they were attracted to.

Now the average chick thinks guys like me will go out of our way to chase/validate them.

It's like a mexican standoff. I'm too lazy to do anything. And she is too entitled because she got validated by 1000 simps.

It shouldn't be this easy for women. It is their job to seduce. All the desperate PUAs collectively lowered the value of all guys' validation in general. They pretty much saturated the market and created unrealistic expectations.

Even my reality is started to seem weird sometimes. I'm not going to be an attractive guy AND be a seducer/chase on top of that. I ain't giving these spoiled h0es their cake and letting them eat it too like you PUA's with no boundaries/standards.

This is why I avoid meat markets and stay in social environments. At least there, women still act submissive and natural and go for the king of the tribe. I'm not gonna be the king and chase. There is no such thing in the natural world.

Guys becoming unnatural seducers is what's contributing to this unnatural reality.

So in other words, it’s because dudes are chasing. But that’s more so because of having a weak mindset/frame, and I’d wager that it’s more attributable to simps rather than PUAs tbh. PUAs at least have some form of strength in that they’re not gonna bend over backwards for a woman and will accept a loss when it happens. Your typical lost boy simp would likely have a much harder time getting over her and would keep trying in an attempt to ‘win her over’. Those 2000ish era PUAs didn’t advocate for that. And whether anyone here wants to admit it or not, we all have some similarities between ‘us’ and ‘them’. The whole manosphere really. Anyone aware of the nature of women (the dynamics in regards to how you shouldn’t be a supplicating wimp, how you should always strive to be better, how you shouldn’t be affected by a woman, etc. ) all have some overlap whether it’s the PUAs and MGTOWS or dudes here and incels or guys over at Roosh V vs Rollo’s blog. I don’t really follow any of those at all tbh, I just know of them in relation to us based off of other users referencing them on here, but I’m pretty sure to some extent we all share some commonalities between these different ‘groups’.

Interestingly enough, when you ask most women why ‘people are so much more depressed’ and suicidal than ever before, and why a lot more people have anxiety than ever before, etc. many of them will say it’s because of social media. A lot of them do have the self-awareness that it’s bloating their ego up but will admit that it’s addicting and so they stay on anyway. Whenever you look outside, you don’t really see too many guys out there ‘cold approaching’, and many of these younger gals have their egos inflated to the point of no return even though these younger chicks don’t really get cold approached like women back before. At most maybe cat calls, but I haven’t seen that happen in forever lol.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Never understood these Chad, Stacey, names. Seems high schoolish. My question was, what does the the person I quoted consider average and above in his mind.

I saw someone link a wiki page that was exclusively for incels and blackpill info on here. The entire website was just one big ****ing meme, it was honestly hilarious. I checked it out just because it kept me laughing irl. They did have some scientific literature in there with some real dark stuff though, which is always a good slap in the face for another wakeup call.

 

[MatureDJ]

An HB 9.5 and H8.5 I had dates with told me how they get bombarded and even d*ck picks from old men.

Well, at least I won't be alone in doing this.

 

[MatureDJ]

It took me 34 yrs to finally realize that women are supposed to chase men. We have been brainwashed into thinking it was the other way around. They give off the signals and we just capitalize on it. The PUA movement had it backwards. I was a huge cold approach guy and I was good at it. But it was very inefficient. If I had real value I would not have had to approach dozens of girls.

The problem is that normie-tier and below men don't get IOI from decent women. Oh sure, we get them from the fatties and the single mommies (especially when we're careermaxing), and thus we have to be the aggressor to have any hope. PUA is just a cope and a way to maximize bad odds.

 

[MrWood]

Oh sure, we get them from the fatties and the single mommies

my experience is quite different...

fatties typically look down and refuse eye contact, compared to HB8+ to which I always get smiles, eyes and hello's

 

[user252009]

What guys do is they try to skip the entire rites of passage of cultivating social circles and connections, aka access to resources and women, and just spam approach.

But their brains refuse to give them the manual and they end up as simps/puas.

Guys are just getting sick of it, because females don't have to do jack shiet to get the guys, while guys have to kick their own ass - more and more, to even get a shot - screw that. That's why MGTOW is growing - in today's environment, fewer and fewer guys have time to get into these social-focused circles of interest (if they're not interested in those activities by default, which many of us aren't), so we'd rather spend that time on our own passions, making more money and live a more independent and happier life.