Inner Game 2: Limiting Beliefs in DayGame

[nicksaiz65]

Hey guys, my second thread on inner game. Not complaining in this one, I just want to know how I can attack my Inner Game so that I can reach my ultimate Game potential. Inner Game is technical too, as they say. I was talking about this with a couple members, but I want to open it up to the whole forum.

I've reached the point in my NightGame where I can approach without any hesitation whatsoever. Those limiting beliefs have been nuked. But I'm still hearing those limiting beliefs in my head during DayGame: I wanna be able to meet women anywhere so I have to kill these.

I did 3 Approaches yesterday in a grocery store. On the last approach, the limiting beliefs popped into my head: "Wow, what a creep. Literally doing a grocery store pickup. That's lame. No one does that. People only meet at night or through social circle."

I then ejected myself from the conversation.

How can I get rid of this limiting belief? If I could make myself believe that meeting women ANYWHERE is easy and natural, and I'm not a weirdo by doing it, I would have a powerful weapon for getting what I want from girls and life.

Thanks guys!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If you at the grocery store try just walking up to a random woman and start talking to her and pulling her shopping cart with you playfully. I've done this before it's pretty hilarious when done right and it gets them cracking up laughing because they see right off the bat you want to have fun. Women love fun.

 

[candyman105]

OP's anxiety level is off the charts. He starts a new thread every day begging for advice on how to get laid.

 

[nicksaiz65]

This is why I’ve always advocated being surrounded by women in broad daylight. It pretty much destroys all of your limiting beliefs. Doesn’t matter if it’s at work, school, or the gym, women are always looking. In fact, women often initiate in broad day light. They fantasize about having romantic interactions while working on their laptop at coffee shops.

It is actually GUYS that aren’t often open during the day time. We turn our game awareness off during the day and reserve it for Friday night. And the funny thing is, a lot of women turn their shields on during the weekends, lol.

So for guys meeting women in broad day light, you have a huge advantage.

There was even a time in my pickup career where I had a 90% success rate during the day and 10% success rate at night. It was unreal because I witnessed the b1tch shield and contrast in behavior first hand, lol, like stepping into a parallel universe.

During the day in a social activity is the best time to interact with chicks. Sunday’s are good because it’s the weekend but women’s shields aren’t super high. And Sunday’s has a lot of places that people go to to relax and enjoy the end of their werkend.

Yeah I feel you. I've been playing around with it and I think it's actually preferable to meet women at day than at night. You've gotta be more chill and can't touch like you can at night but I find it pretty fun. I never thought I'd say that lol

 

[nicksaiz65]

It just isn't factually any less creepy than night game, in fact women feel more comfortable in a daytime setting. That's why they often prefer coffee dates in a public place, safer.

I know people advocate not to do Daytime dates but I like coffee dates. I've kind of gotten around that by saying "wanna grab a late night coffee?"

 

[nicksaiz65]

Thanks guys that helps remove these mental blocks that are still in my head. Nothing wrong with meeting women during the day. I'll report back after I get a Bang from it. Until then I think I'm exclusively gonna meet women during the day. Cause the numbers you get then are actually worth a sh*t

 

[nicksaiz65]

This is what I mean when I make fun of puas lol. 99% of the population meet in social environments during the day. Coffee date is like the most common kind of date. Coming from the Pua frame, you think it’s weird because your not surrounded by loud music. A social outcast feels this way. This is the frame you are coming from.

I’m not going to knock you for trying because it seems like you have no other choice. But you are in college. There should be so many parties, events, and social gatherings you can go to. Practice socializing, networking, and expanding your social network. Work on dominating your environment and climbing the social ladder.

Take the front door, not the back door. It’s part of a man’s journey to dominate his social environment and rise to the top. Even if you fail in your social environment, you would learn at a faster pace than being a no life seducer.

Most guys supplement with cold approach because they no longer HAVE an environment like college. If it were up to them, they would rather always be in a social community like college. Half the work is done for you.

Nobody that is in college wants to leave the environment to randomly do hundreds of cold approaches when they could be doing warm approaches, lol. Use social proof to your advantage.

You have your whole life to do cold approaches. Right now you should be infiltrating social circles in college and getting yourself into parties and stuff.

It’s all right there in front of you.

Yeah I don't disagree with you on that front. I go to a decent amount of parties in college. My problem is my social circle is really tiny now, cause a good majority of my friends graduated lol.

I'm still working on that. I'm making new friends and getting my social situation dialed. I've realized my actual social skills are a bit weaker than I'd like, so I'm polishing that up. My aim is to have my social circle situation fixed by the end of Spring.

How big should a social circle in college be ideally anyways? And I'm sure you've harped on this before but how can I grow it even more? Common events, and things like that are stuff I've heard.

Yeah I'm so used to meeting girls at night it feels weird during the day. But I actually prefer daytime. I'll get used to it.

I still think a Cold Approach is a good skill to have lol. What happens all the time is I'll see a girl I find attractive but she's not in my social circle. So I need to go up and introduce myself to her.

I agree that social circle is probably the best way to get laid in college. But I can't do that effortlessly so I'm gonna need to mix that with approaching, y'know? Plus I don't wanna be constrained by just my social circle.

 

[nicksaiz65]

This is what I mean when I make fun of puas lol. 99% of the population meet in social environments during the day. Coffee date is like the most common kind of date. Coming from the Pua frame, you think it’s weird because your not surrounded by loud music. A social outcast feels this way. This is the frame you are coming from.

I’m not going to knock you for trying because it seems like you have no other choice. But you are in college. There should be so many parties, events, and social gatherings you can go to. Practice socializing, networking, and expanding your social network. Work on dominating your environment and climbing the social ladder.

Take the front door, not the back door. It’s part of a man’s journey to dominate his social environment and rise to the top. Even if you fail in your social environment, you would learn at a faster pace than being a no life seducer.

Most guys supplement with cold approach because they no longer HAVE an environment like college. If it were up to them, they would rather always be in a social community like college. Half the work is done for you.

Nobody that is in college wants to leave the environment to randomly do hundreds of cold approaches when they could be doing warm approaches, lol. Use social proof to your advantage.

You have your whole life to do cold approaches. Right now you should be infiltrating social circles in college and getting yourself into parties and stuff.

It’s all right there in front of you.

And idk man, I just really wanna meet some hotties on campus during the day lol. I know it's possible cause one of my friends met his girlfriend in the library. I would still call that a Cold Approach though

 

[nicksaiz65]

I think you completely misunderstood what I said. I don’t care about social circles. You are in college. That’s a social environment right there that has built in everything. Pretty much what I’ve always preached. Except that I tell people to go find this type of social environment. But you are right in it.

How do you know so much about game Theory yet you don’t know anything about meeting chicks on a college campus? That doesn’t make any sense. At all, lol.

Why do you even feel the need to supplement with Pua stuff?

Just talk to chicks on campus. No need to develop a weird Pua lifestyle where you are spam approaching 100 chicks a week. Guys do that because they don’t have what you have lmao. They do it as a last resort.

You have access to an environment that you will never ever experience again, unless you are like me and know where to find it.

When you graduate you’re gonna really see his frustrating it is for most guys lmao.

Oh, my bad I thought you were talking about friend groups/social circles lol.

Yeah I know it's pretty crazy lol. But that's why I'm trying to get this handled. I have a gigantic hole in my Game. I didn't mess with meeting chicks in the day too much because:
1.) Limiting Beliefs/Anxiety/worried about getting a "bad rep" on campus
2.) I exclusively focused on meeting women in bars and clubs. From the little playing around I've done with meeting women in the day, I like it, but I have lots of practice to do.

As for why I feel like I need the pickup stuff? Well long story short I had a big handful of chicks show interest in me, and every time I ruined it cause I just didn't know what to do. On top of that, some chicks would string me along for my attention. I was like "why is this happening?" So I looked up Game and I was like "oh this makes a lot of sense."

I'm glad I got the practice I did in clubs/bars, but like you said it's absolutely mental that I haven't been practicing this stuff during the day lol. I guess I was worried about getting blown out? That's why I made this thread. There's a huge hole in my Game due to those limiting beliefs, and I need to plug it up. I know what to do I just haven't really applied it to that side of the coin.

And yeah, I can't let that go to waste. I have exactly 365 days before I graduate. So I have to get it handled, no matter what. I feel like I need to go big or go home.

My basic plan is:
1.) Make as many friends as I can, expand social circle far and wide. Not just for meeting chicks, having friends/circles in college is critical.
2.) Talk to many chicks in the day AND at night. No excuses. With enough of the Numbers Game I'll get there eventually.

Super complicated plan I know lol. But if I'm missing anything please let me know. I'm trying to revive my college experience as quickly as I can. And no I'm not an incel lol. I've banged 6 chicks in my life but I want it at 20+ before I graduate.

And being frustrated with chicks after I graduate is exactly what I DON'T want. Another reason I want to have a decent Cold Approach game.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I think you completely misunderstood what I said. I don’t care about social circles. You are in college. That’s a social environment right there that has built in everything. Pretty much what I’ve always preached. Except that I tell people to go find this type of social environment. But you are right in it.

How do you know so much about game Theory yet you don’t know anything about meeting chicks on a college campus? That doesn’t make any sense. At all, lol.

Why do you even feel the need to supplement with Pua stuff?

Just talk to chicks on campus. No need to develop a weird Pua lifestyle where you are spam approaching 100 chicks a week. Guys do that because they don’t have what you have lmao. They do it as a last resort.

You have access to an environment that you will never ever experience again, unless you are like me and know where to find it.

When you graduate you’re gonna really see how frustrating it is for most guys lmao.

Also responding to your comment on why I feel I need the PUA stuff? I haven't really mentioned this before on this site, but deep down this has kind of worried me a bit. You mention the word "authenticity" a lot? Well I've noticed that whenever I talk to a woman at night, I'm putting up a front. I'm not being me at all, I'm just copying whatever a PUA I like would be doing. Like I'll borrow RSD Julien's or Todd V's personality for instance. I don't even know how to be authentic anymore tbh. I'm just trying to copy paste someone else's personality. I wonder sometimes, is this an actual issue? Or am I just being overly emotional again? But that's a whoooolllle nother issue and idk if that's within the scope of succeeding within 365 days at college?

 

[nicksaiz65]

I became a master at cold approaching, but that was after putting like 10,000 hours into it. I don’t know anybody who can get good without putting in all that time unless he is really good looking and women do all the work. I started in 2008 and solved it in 2010. One of my favorite places to pick up chicks was actually Berkeley campus.

And my experience is the same as everyone else’s. 15 phone numbers a day, half are flakes, and 3-4 dates. I got so fed up that I banned myself from number closing. I strictly did same day lay game and discovered that it was actually easier and more effective than long term phone number game.

You can actually make a chick your girlfriend right on the spot and go on an instant date with her, and then worry about connection and chemistry later.

It took me three years to perfect it. But then in 2011 I ran into a huge social environment that had nothing but 8s and 9s. Because I was so used to chicks like that having their shields up, I didn’t bother running my game. They all seduced me one by one instead.

This was when I came to some realizations that I would have never learned out in the field. I could have approached thousands of women and still never pick it up.

I realized that women naturally calibrate to the guy. This whole time I was calibrating to women. I was mind blown. And not only were they calibrating to me, but it was impossible for me to blow myself out. By definition of being the qualifier, I was the one validating the women, so it wasn’t possible for me to get rejected. These frame discoveries Took my game to another level.

However it didn’t stop there. I also discovered that 90% of interactions with women out in the field are just for validation purposes and go nowhere. If she really likes you, she’s going to be the one seducing you.

You are not the seducer. At best you are playing her game of qualifying yourself to her until she finds a random quality you don’t posses and use it as reason to reject you. But for the guy that’s her exact type, she would throw herself at him in a moments notice.

This is why I stopped gaming women. It’s irrelevant. But I also know how to put myself in situations where women can game me.

Your friend that found his gf in the library, trust me when I say he was already her type. It’s called serendipity. There was nothing he did that was groundbreaking. All he had to do was break the ice.

What I discovered was that game gets elevated and worshipped by puas but in reality, most of it is completely useless if the woman isn’t already into you. And when she is into you, it’s still useless. Because she’s the one seducing you, giving you all the signs, and making it very easy to interact with her.

There is nothing special you are doing on your part.

And this leads me to my final discovery. All game is inner game. As long as you have baseline self esteem, you can’t fvck up. But if you don’t have it, then you will overcompensate, supplicate, or act needy.

As a guy with over 10 years experience, I am telling you that Game is 10,000 times simpler than the Pua community makes it out to be. Anyone who makes something sound complex doesn’t have a clue what they are talking about.

The ones who have real knowledge are the ones who could simplify it to a level where a kindergartner could understand.

All that makes a ton of sense. For me specifically, I agree with 90% of it cause all approaches in college are warm approaches.

I just can't agree with you that there's no such thing as Game lol. From my own life, I just see lots of evidence to the contrary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

But now I feel like my head's about to blow up. All this work and I feel like I'm at ground zero again lol. So for a guy like me in the pre-built social environment that is college, what would you recommend I do? What would be the best action plan? So I don't botch it by the end of this year.

I need to:
A.) Get a 7th Bang over my Winter Break
B.) Get up to 12 Bangs by the end of Spring Semester

All I Have Is:
1.) Work out, keep getting in shape, look good, yadda yadda yadda
2.) Meet girls EVERY DAY in my shared social environment. Day and Night. The only thing I'd be worried about I'd getting a bad rap on campus asking tons of chicks for their numbers every day.
3.) For the 7th Bang over break. I see literally no way to do it other than doing 100 Day Approaches lol. OLD isn't reliable, and I have like four friends back home haha. Plus they're all interested in that LTR sh*t. Not interested in banging random chicks.

Whew. Sorry about this essay. It's late and you've brought the writer out of me lol.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You shouldn’t compare yourself to others. I don’t even approach anymore. Most of my interactions with women are seamless and start at an underlying level where we are both staring at each other and validating one another. What happens next is just inevitable.

I actually told you my story to discourage you, lol. I wasted a lot of time by being a no life seducer. There was never a need for it. I could just show up.

But I could understand that we all have different levels of smv so I won’t knock you for approaching.

However you seem to be missing that baseline self esteem that takes some guys a lifetime to discover.

If I were to guess, In five to ten years you are going to realize that the secret to life is to be you. Once you realize this, your social chameleon personality will disappear and you will no longer identify as some weird seducer.

Right now you simply don’t have enough maturity and experience to be self actualized.

The quickest way to get there is dominating your social environment, not hide in the dark taking the backdoor because you are afraid of rejection in broad day light.


You have to show up and conquer your environment.

Ok let me be totally humble here.

"Afraid of rejection in broad daylight"

That's the perfect phrase to describe what I felt I guess haha. I just find it so odd. I desensitized myself to the point where I don't feel an ounce of Approach Anxiety meeting girls at night but I never really tried it during the day.

I'm just glad I realized this at the start of my last year so I can freaking do something about it.

I see the merits of social circle and I see what you mean when college is a shared environment. But idk man. I just love the rush of the approach haha. Kinda like that discussion you and FastLife were having earlier today. I'm definitely gonna kill meeting chicks during the day and on campus.

You were discouraged meeting chicks with the flakes, but in my twisted mind you were doing great lol. 15 numbers in a week is easy. If you got 3 or 4 dates from those you'd be drowning in pvssy.

The eternal question of mankind is where does that Self Esteem come from? It sounds like you're saying if you fix the inside, the outside flows.

I've been taking the Alpha Male Strategies approach lately lol. Fix the outside, do the improvement, and the inside fixes itself.

I like the idea of the inside out, makes total sense, but how do you get that self esteem?

What a conundrum. I hope this makes sense. It's really early and I'm typing this before I go out of town lol.

I absolutely agree with you on the inner game and self esteem and how it's critical. Maybe it's the way my mind is wired, but it's like the world only makes sense to me in that one mindset lol. Like the analogy FastLife described with the businesses. He worded it 10x better than I can in my sleep deprived state

 

[synecdoche]

You're young, time is your biggest advantage.

Stop living for the sole reason of getting laid.

I think Stormrider made a post a while ago about intent, search & read it. You said that at night you put up a front, not being yourself, that's because the real you is boring and you feel like you have to put up a different mask to talk to girls. Even if you score a date, women will quickly see through the mask and find nothing that interests them.

Get on your purpose, get good grades, live an interesting live, educate yourself... Think about the long run. Women are only a nice addition to life, it's never the main goal.

 

[nicksaiz65]

But I will say, I've at least taken a step forward. When I went out to meet women during the day earlier this week, I was worried about coming off as creepy or whatever. Now I know that's super normal. Meeting chicks on campus is too.

I'm still a BIT worried about getting a bad rap on a campus, a closed environment, if I meet lots of new women every day and get their numbers. But I'll ruminate on that one I suppose

 

[nicksaiz65]

So you believe in game. You understand that the entire Pua community is teaching you how to project self esteem, right? That’s literally their entire philosophy. To be a guy with naturally high self esteem. Especially RSD. How do you follow rsd and not know this? They even call it the “flawless natural” method.

The whole community is trying to backwards engineer a guy who naturally has high self esteem. They call it game. But what it really is it simply developing self esteem.

Yeah. That's where the Self Improvement and Purpose came in, is how I took it.

RSD, I really mostly just watched their outer game stuff tbh. That's probably why. I totally neglected Inner Game. I should probably do something about that.

Alpha Male Strategies says the confidence comes from working on your purpose and on yourself. I'm starting to think if I just shut up and stay on that path my confidence will come in over time. I think that with one more year of college, I should be able to get myself enough to not waste my college time y'know.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You're young, time is your biggest advantage.

Stop living for the sole reason of getting laid.

I think Stormrider made a post a while ago about intent, search & read it. You said that at night you put up a front, not being yourself, that's because the real you is boring and you feel like you have to put up a different mask to talk to girls. Even if you score a date, women will quickly see through the mask and find nothing that interests them.

Get on your purpose, get good grades, live an interesting live, educate yourself... Think about the long run. Women are only a nice addition to life, it's never the main goal.

My purpose is being a great musician and Computer Science. I fvcking love music.

The issue is my whole reason for getting out of bed is proving that I can make good grades and get laid lol. But that's a whole nother psyche issue. I'm halfway there on those goals.

 

[nicksaiz65]

You already know what you should do. You just want people to encourage your pickup life when most guys much more older and experienced than you tell you that your purpose is more important than women.

You’re trying to take all of these shortcuts but it hasn’t gotten you anywhere. And every time someone writes something about game you get a mental orgasm from it. But there is a reason why people frown on the Pua community these days.

Think about it. There are guys who can effortlessly make friends, expand their social networks, get invited to all the parties, and have the best college experience, yet you’d rather act like the hunchback of Notre dame, hiding in the dark, and spam approaching and getting 100% flakes.

Yeah now that I've gotten some of this onto paper I think it makes total sense.

1.) Purpose, grades, degree, music. Self Improvement for confidence + Inner Game stuff
2.) Keep expanding that social circle. I'm already going to parties but I want to go to more.
3.) Meet women in all avenues, including during THE DAY in my college social environment

Honestly I think that shouldn't be too bad now that I've already removed this mental blockage of meeting women in the day. For action, I've met 8 women so far just out and about while on break.

I think that's about it. I feel like we're saying the same thing in different words lol.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I think your only problem is you are coming from a place of inner lack. You don’t attract what you are want. You attract what you are.

Some of the seasoned guys would tell you that the times they’ve attracted the right women were when they were just living their life and weren’t looking.

Humans know this. They know that only completeness can attract more completeness. But they violate this rule because they can’t stand being alone.

I know you are not dumb and have already figured out you need to amp up your purpose and discover inner completeness and maybe put some time aside to socialize when you have no studies.

The game is not what you think it is. The whole “if you want it bad enough go and get it” doesn’t work with women.

If it did you wouldn’t have any sticking points and This forum wouldn’t exist.

If someone doesn’t work, why do people keep advocating it? Because people are insane.

What works with women is being complete and non needy, basically one of the hardest states to achieve.

I'll agree with you on that one. For me to feel complete/whole? The only thing that'll work is focusing on ME, my purpose and own Self Improvement. That and TIME. Though, a year should be plenty for me to feel complete about myself.

It always comes back to the Self Improvement just like AMS says.

 

[candyman105]

You're doing him a disservice with this old school new-age woo woo law of attraction bulls1it.

I think your only problem is you are coming from a place of inner lack. You don’t attract what you want. You attract what you are.

Some of the seasoned guys would tell you that the times they’ve attracted the right women were when they were just living their life and weren’t looking.

Humans know this. They know that only completeness can attract more completeness. But they violate this rule because they can’t stand being alone.

I know you are not dumb and have already figured out you need to amp up your purpose and discover inner completeness and maybe put some time aside to socialize when you have no studies.

The game is not what you think it is. The whole “if you want it bad enough go and get it” doesn’t work with women.

If it did you wouldn’t have any sticking points and This forum wouldn’t exist.

If something doesn’t work, why do people keep advocating it? Because people are insane.

What works with women is being complete and non needy, basically one of the hardest states to achieve.