Tinder Trap Dating Market 2019

[ubercat]

Haha I have the other problem. I work ong hours in a pretty stressful job. Girlfriend expects me to meet my kpi's at least twice a week. That's how it's been every Asian girl I've ever been with.

 

[AttackFormation]

Haha I have the other problem. I work ong hours in a pretty stressful job. Girlfriend expects me to meet my kpi's at least twice a week. That's how it's been every Asian girl I've ever been with.

Do you mean kpi as in a cheeky way of saying sexual performance, or really your corporate performance?

 

[thinker]

@Blacksheep technology and other changes that I see coming down the line are going to re balance the market, there is a company that has already come out with their second generation blow job machine that users are saying is better than 50% of blow jobs that they have had and it costs less than 200.00 dollars. Put that together with VR tech for example and now you have something worth talking about. I don't agree with the guys that think that these changes will make women obsolete, but it will change the power dynamics in the SMP. When porn first started to become main stream I remember the feminists screaming that it would harm women, the reason for this was that they saw it as taking power away from women in relations with men. Have you noticed that women today openly talk about vibrators and dildos and how great they are but when the new more realistic sex dolls came out they were screaming like banshees, its because they understand what their real value is and anything that lowers that value is a real threat. @AttackFormation I think you are taking that to hard, they had to use third party companies and go through some logistical gymnastics to pull this off, in the real world women don't have the resources to do this. What really bothers me is how so many guys showed up and didn't just leave the moment they found out that this was some kind of bullsheit joke or experiment. As for OLD I keep telling guys to just say no, I meet plenty of women as I go about my day. I don't have to worry about her being fatter, older or just plain uglier than what her profile shows I can see in real life with my own eyes what she actually looks like and then decide if it is worth my time to approach. There are also other advantages like using my strong eye contact her being able to hear my voice and enjoy my natural wit and humor. This is in my opinion not very duable online. Men need to respect themselves more and also start using our brains better to figure out what puts the odds in our favor more often than not.

 

[biggoal]

@Blacksheep technology and other changes that I see coming down the line are going to re balance the market, there is a company that has already come out with their second generation blow job machine that users are saying is better than 50% of blow jobs that they have had and it costs less than 200.00 dollars. Put that together with VR tech for example and now you have something worth talking about. I don't agree with the guys that think that these changes will make women obsolete, but it will change the power dynamics in the SMP. When porn first started to become main stream I remember the feminists screaming that it would harm women, the reason for this was that they saw it as taking power away from women in relations with men. Have you noticed that women today openly talk about vibrators and dildos and how great they are but when the new more realistic sex dolls came out they were screaming like banshees, its because they understand what their real value is and anything that lowers that value is a real threat. @AttackFormation I think you are taking that to hard, they had to use third party companies and go through some logistical gymnastics to pull this off, in the real world women don't have the resources to do this. What really bothers me is how so many guys showed up and didn't just leave the moment they found out that this was some kind of bullsheit joke or experiment. As for OLD I keep telling guys to just say no, I meet plenty of women as I go about my day. I don't have to worry about her being fatter, older or just plain uglier than what her profile shows I can see in real life with my own eyes what she actually looks like and then decide if it is worth my time to approach. There are also other advantages like using my strong eye contact her being able to hear my voice and enjoy my natural wit and humor. This is in my opinion not very duable online. Men need to respect themselves more and also start using our brains better to figure out what puts the odds in our favor more often than not.

Messaging women over 42 on OLD they look hot but I worry it's older pics, blurry, etc and you show up and they're over 50.

 

[Black Widow Void]

I'm not sure what context you mean with establishing rapport with those who seem catatonic, do you mean out in the nightlife or something? or with your buddies?

It seems like we have similar theories. Because you are in a different country (I'm in the U.S.) and we also have some decades of age difference (I'm in my 50's) I was curious if ... in your country and age bracket, you find yourself up against a 'wall' so to speak --- due to people not going out as much (getting their social fix at home via internet) or when others go out, their eyes are glued to their mobile devices.

 

[AttackFormation]

It seems like we have similar theories. Because you are in a different country (I'm in the U.S.) and we also have some decades of age difference (I'm in my 50's) I was curious if ... in your country and age bracket, you find yourself up against a 'wall' so to speak --- due to people not going out as much (getting their social fix at home via internet) or when others go out, their eyes are glued to their mobile devices.

I don't think I'm in a position to be able to answer your question to be honest.

 

[MatureDJ]

op is incel

We are all incels one way or another.

 

[MatureDJ]

I think OLD is okay in major metro areas with young population and pre wall, non divorced women. My hometown of St. Louis for example within 15 miles of my old zipcode it's crawling with under 36 HB7 on ups never married, no kids, well educated. Then versus down here within a 50 mile radius it's nothing but mostly post wall, single moms and divorced women. The few under 35 are mostly landwhales. Huge difference between the two places. Even up there even the trash sites like OKcupid, Tinder and POF have decent women.

Why do you think the dates I do on are women at least 38 and older than me? Very few under 35 on OLD down here that are not landwhales.

An HB8 40 year old is better than a 29 year old landwhale.

YES there are posters on here who say a 29 year old whale is better than an 40 year old HB8. nuts if you ask me. Hell, an HB8 48 year old is better than a landwhale.

Man has evolved to want a true feminine shape in a woman. She can be thin (although at some point anorexics just look sick), but can be carrying a few extra pounds so long as it is distributed like a Kardashian. However, the beach ball is NOT attractive at all.

 

[MatureDJ]

This is why I believe that Sex Robots will be the future.

Also, the sex dolls seems pretty good nowadays... it may be crazy, but I really believe this will be the main choice for men in future.

It's not human ok, but it may satisfy sexual desire as well. And in the future I'm sure they will create something even better and even more similar to human.

This will create a big problem in our relationships, but thanks to Tinder and other dating apps the way men and women relate to each other is being ****ed up.

And sex dolls/sex robots seems to be the response to that.

Edit:

I also believe that we will be able to create with VR and other technologies, the opportunity to play a game where you can feel stuffs like in real world. It's just a matter of time.

True uncanny-valley sex dolls will be able to have men simply drop out of the game entirely, thereby getting the ratio of 2 girls for every guy (i.e., 80% of women in history have reproduced, while only 40% of men have) down to 1-1 of men who are interested in the real thing. Heck, Chatturbate does a good job of giving out the act of a woman's desire in a man.

 

[Blacksheep]

True uncanny-valley sex dolls will be able to have men simply drop out of the game entirely, thereby getting the ratio of 2 girls for every guy (i.e., 80% of women in history have reproduced, while only 40% of men have) down to 1-1 of men who are interested in the real thing. Heck, Chatturbate does a good job of giving out the act of a woman's desire in a man.

That's true man, and I think that's not going to be a bad thing.

It can calm down our sexual desire and satisfy our needs... also I thing VR and AR can play a big role in this, since there are some rumors that it will be possible to feel virtual objects. If this became true it will be like holosuite from star trek. hahaha

 

[Blacksheep]

@Blacksheep technology and other changes that I see coming down the line are going to re balance the market, there is a company that has already come out with their second generation blow job machine that users are saying is better than 50% of blow jobs that they have had and it costs less than 200.00 dollars. Put that together with VR tech for example and now you have something worth talking about. I don't agree with the guys that think that these changes will make women obsolete, but it will change the power dynamics in the SMP. When porn first started to become main stream I remember the feminists screaming that it would harm women, the reason for this was that they saw it as taking power away from women in relations with men. Have you noticed that women today openly talk about vibrators and dildos and how great they are but when the new more realistic sex dolls came out they were screaming like banshees, its because they understand what their real value is and anything that lowers that value is a real threat. @AttackFormation I think you are taking that to hard, they had to use third party companies and go through some logistical gymnastics to pull this off, in the real world women don't have the resources to do this. What really bothers me is how so many guys showed up and didn't just leave the moment they found out that this was some kind of bullsheit joke or experiment. As for OLD I keep telling guys to just say no, I meet plenty of women as I go about my day. I don't have to worry about her being fatter, older or just plain uglier than what her profile shows I can see in real life with my own eyes what she actually looks like and then decide if it is worth my time to approach. There are also other advantages like using my strong eye contact her being able to hear my voice and enjoy my natural wit and humor. This is in my opinion not very duable online. Men need to respect themselves more and also start using our brains better to figure out what puts the odds in our favor more often than not.

That's true.

Just searched for that VR ******* machine... it's pretty cool

We are few steps from holosuite!! It's a very good business idea btw!

 

[MatureDJ]

Something to think about it is that the femynists & moralists will become "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" allies to stop this development.

 

[Blacksheep]

Something to think about it is that the femynists & moralists will become "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" allies to stop this development.

They may try, but they can't stop what has already started.

 

[BJP1991]

If you have at least 4 good pictures of yourself, have a decent job title to display, and aren’t a complete bridge troll in weight/looks/shorter than 5’9”, OLD is easy as shyte to get dates.

However, from there you must be thorough to filter for quality. That drops your pool down a bit.

Then filter for women who are on the fence, who originally passed your initial quality test. This drops it another 1/5th to 1/4th of eligible dates.

From there, account in flakes. OP has said before, and I’ve liked this, that your expectations should be minimal. If you get a girl to agree for a date, expect them to flake, regardless of what they tell you via text or over the phone. Expect flakes, then don’t be surprised when they happen. Drop your eligible pool of dates another 1/4 just for this factor alone.

Next, you go on the date and one of three things happens (1) you find out you’re not interested anymore after meeting her, (2) she isn’t interested in you and you get ghosted or lightly “rejected” when you ask for a second date, or (3) there is some mutual attraction and you end up seeing the person again.


OLD is such a sure fire way to make dates. Like others have said, if you’re a 7 or above, it’s not hard to do. What’s hard is filtering for quality in those dates, as well as the external factors I listed above, which reduce your odds further and truly make OLD a numbers game.

Sure, if you aren’t a college student or anything and don’t have endless fodder to test your game on in-person, OLD is a decent option, if you’re willing to play the huge numbers game.

Also, I’ve found from experience and women literally saying it: women have so many more options when they use OLD vs not using it. Keep this in mind, as a girl you met on OLD will be faster to drop you than one you meet cold-approach or via social circles. Trust me - with 30 new guys everyday matching them, they will drop you if you tell them you’ve never danced the Macarena - just an example, but it’s true. Women drop you for little to (almost) no reason when they know there is a sea of men on Tinder pining away at a chance to take them out.

Personally, I like bumble the most - it forces initiative on a woman to message you. And it saves you time - you aren’t initiating with women who will never reply to you. You only interact with those who reached out first. Saving you a little time, at least.

Just my 2cents, as I similarly to OP have stepped away from using OLD after a full year of learning it, making mistakes, having some decent success, and overall going on way too many mediocre dates that simply ended up going nowhere for one of the 3 reasons I listed in a a paragraph above.

I don’t think OLD is bad. I just think you are predisposing yourself to more failure using OLD since you are going through women (or simply their profiles) en masse.

 

[biggoal]

If you have at least 4 good pictures of yourself, have a decent job title to display, and aren’t a complete bridge troll in weight/looks/shorter than 5’9”, OLD is easy as shyte to get dates.

However, from there you must be thorough to filter for quality. That drops your pool down a bit.

Then filter for women who are on the fence, who originally passed your initial quality test. This drops it another 1/5th to 1/4th of eligible dates.

From there, account in flakes. OP has said before, and I’ve liked this, that your expectations should be minimal. If you get a girl to agree for a date, expect them to flake, regardless of what they tell you via text or over the phone. Expect flakes, then don’t be surprised when they happen. Drop your eligible pool of dates another 1/4 just for this factor alone.

Next, you go on the date and one of three things happens (1) you find out you’re not interested anymore after meeting her, (2) she isn’t interested in you and you get ghosted or lightly “rejected” when you ask for a second date, or (3) there is some mutual attraction and you end up seeing the person again.


OLD is such a sure fire way to make dates. Like others have said, if you’re a 7 or above, it’s not hard to do. What’s hard is filtering for quality in those dates, as well as the external factors I listed above, which reduce your odds further and truly make OLD a numbers game.

Sure, if you aren’t a college student or anything and don’t have endless fodder to test your game on in-person, OLD is a decent option, if you’re willing to play the huge numbers game.

Also, I’ve found from experience and women literally saying it: women have so many more options when they use OLD vs not using it. Keep this in mind, as a girl you met on OLD will be faster to drop you than one you meet cold-approach or via social circles. Trust me - with 30 new guys everyday matching them, they will drop you if you tell them you’ve never danced the Macarena - just an example, but it’s true. Women drop you for little to (almost) no reason when they know there is a sea of men on Tinder pining away at a chance to take them out.

Personally, I like bumble the most - it forces initiative on a woman to message you. And it saves you time - you aren’t initiating with women who will never reply to you. You only interact with those who reached out first. Saving you a little time, at least.

Just my 2cents, as I similarly to OP have stepped away from using OLD after a full year of learning it, making mistakes, having some decent success, and overall going on way too many mediocre dates that simply ended up going nowhere for one of the 3 reasons I listed in a a paragraph above.

I don’t think OLD is bad. I just think you are predisposing yourself to more failure using OLD since you are going through women (or simply their profiles) en masse.

5 9? Try like 6 foot min depending on dating site I guess. Match most min 6 foot listed and lol gets me is these women who are like 5 1 want a min 5 11 or 6 foot guy lol. There is this one hb7 who's 35 5 1 in my area one of the few girls from around here on there and in her profile if under 6 foot she states on it don't even waste your time. If it's possible to have hb7 five foot.

I saw a chinese lady on match 6 foot min and shes 5 foot. Gtfo!

Then you see those type of women on there daily for months and months. Old gives them inflated ego because irl I see lots of guys under 6 foot with cute girls.

 

[BJP1991]

5 9? Try like 6 foot min depending on dating site I guess. Match most min 6 foot listed and lol gets me is these women who are like 5 1 want a min 5 11 or 6 foot guy lol. There is this one hb7 who's 35 5 1 in my area one of the few girls from around here on there and in her profile if under 6 foot she states on it don't even waste your time. If it's possible to have hb7 five foot.

I saw a chinese lady on match 6 foot min and shes 5 foot. Gtfo!

Then you see those type of women on there daily for months and months. Old gives them inflated ego because irl I see lots of guys under 6 foot with cute girls.

Honestly dude you’re the most annoying person with all your incellish complaint posts about OLD and match.com. It’s no wonder you don’t have success or claim you have to be 6 foot.

 

[biggoal]

Honestly dude you’re the most annoying person with all your incellish complaint posts about OLD and match.com. It’s no wonder you don’t have success or claim you have to be 6 foot.

Old under 6 foot is not favorable to the men. Read reddit and on here. I will not write a woman if their min height listed is 5 11 or above. I'm 5 9 barely and I'll still get replies if I message ones who are looking for 5 11 since that's not far off but 6 foot wont even bother.

If a woman is real ahort 5 1 and wants 6 foot you should still message her since you're way taller and women are not very good at judging height.

Women lie about their height big time too. If you're 5 9 list 5 11. Women from old I gone out with seem at least 2 or more inches shorter.

One of them I'm talking to who has that fwb. Said he list 6 1 on his profile but told me he was more like 5 10 max and is still screwing him. She looks more like 5 1 not 5 4 she lists for herself.

 

[ubercat]

I m 6 2 in real and was seeing profiles that demanded 6 3. Ignore their demands and go for any chick u fancy. Never negotiate with terrorists.

 

[biggoal]

I m 6 2 in real and was seeing profiles that demanded 6 3. Ignore their demands and go for any chick u fancy. Never negotiate with terrorists.

Terrorist LOL. Girls literally can ruin your life!

But being realistic I think those unrealistic demands also tie to supply and demand too. Like down here I see that on a lot of profiles along with the money demands as well and other BS like travel constantly and most of these women are near post wall and above too. But in big cities I look at profiles and the women have much less demands. Even the hotter looking ones nowhere near the ridiculous demands up in Tampa. Hotter women in general and not that 6 foot 2 BS when they're 5 foot tall and other junk I see in this area of FL. Far more realistic overall and still better looking. Same way in Stl where I'm from tons more better girls on OLD and not outrageous height and career demands that they do around here. IMO part of it is that so many guys on there around here and so few women that they become uber picky. I don't think a lot of those women are even that serious.

I did see a rare one. Too far away though but she was HB9, 6 foot tall listed and looked it at least too. Profile didn't look fake. She listed 5 foot 8 and above.

 

[MatureDJ]

Old under 6 foot is not favorable to the men. Read reddit and on here. I will not write a woman if their min height listed is 5 11 or above. I'm 5 9 barely and I'll still get replies if I message ones who are looking for 5 11 since that's not far off but 6 foot wont even bother.

If a woman is real ahort 5 1 and wants 6 foot you should still message her since you're way taller and women are not very good at judging height.

Women lie about their height big time too. If you're 5 9 list 5 11. Women from old I gone out with seem at least 2 or more inches shorter.

One of them I'm talking to who has that fwb. Said he list 6 1 on his profile but told me he was more like 5 10 max and is still screwing him. She looks more like 5 1 not 5 4 she lists for herself.

Try OLD at 5' 5". Get that initial look on her when you meet when her face says, "I had no idea he was this short".