How do you afford online dating if feel like you are paying to get rejected?

[lamath]

You seem to having a hard time man
Need a more positive mindset, i think best option is to not do OLD.
Lots of ladies dont use it and those ino are better quality also.you need to find other ways imo.
Imo streaming services should be low on your list of priorities, its temporary escape but on the long run it does not improve the quality of your life. It would be time better spend meeting new ppl on some social setting like playing sports, taking some classes etc.

Gl

 

[corrector]

I am no model, but had several hundred likes/matches in Jswipe, about 1000 likes on Okcupid and a couple hundred on Bumble. The secret is an interesting profile, not boring and really good action and activity pics.

That is a large volume of likes and I seriously doubt I'd generate that volume. If I had a level of likes or positive feedback like that, then I don't see this thread would exist in the first place. I might have to call ethnicel on this one and suggest there is some sexual racism that is going on where even if you look half-decent, but aren't white, and especially Asian, then you are basically screwed with OLD.

I've changed and tweaked my profile in the past allot of times. Trust me, this was during the golden age of PUA a decade ago and they had lots of 30 day money back guarantee online materials for sale. I bought a number of things to suggest what to write on an OLD, and probably had my profile checked out on here, or did lots of tweaking and re-working of it. However it felt like I was pulling teeth. If I had allot of likes or interest or women initiating with me and it wasn't a "pulling teeth" experience then again, I doubt any issues presented in this thread would exist.

Also take bigdave17. He made that same argument that he was not getting the type of quality girls because the type he likes typically go for stereotypically white guys.

I do not know where you live, so I do not know the clientel you have to play with. When I was in a slump, I did spend a weekend in Manhattan at a hotel (on points) and had a great time meeting and sexing several NYC ladies. This was two years ago or so. If you are close to a major metro area, this shouldn't be an issue. If you are going to go this route. Some rules.

I'm in Toronto. The incel capital of the world.

I tried that thing in November, 2006 and it took a month to find a couple of women willing to see me. In that world, women actually crave the BBC so that's actually a plus when dealing with that type of internet dating. However, I'm not really that type of Black or have a BBC to get fetish interest like that, although I could play that card and see if it lands some lays, if I were into that.

However, the November, 2006 experiment on "Adultfriendfinder" showed it took a solid month to meet someone who was willing to see me and I was comfortable with seeing her. Although I chickened out at the end, it felt like a lottery win on principle.

That being said, I had a very nasty reaction after seeing an escort back in December 5, 2014 that would make me write-off casual sex in the future. If I almost lost my mind because I dealt with a stranger I did not know then, on top of the religious / spiritual barriers, I don't see how in my right mind I'd go through all that again. Also, if I were into casual sex, which I'm not, then isn't it easier to just see an escort than to wait about a month to meet someone who is willing to see me, if I'm even lucky at that (i.e. and in the annals of sosuave, there were older virgins on that site who were not able to meet anyone at all!).

Anyway, thankfully, that meeting with the escort on Dec 5, 2014 is the first and last casual type sex (we didn't actually have sex as I refused her but fapped outside her vag instead while squeezing her a$$ and going back and forth, so technically no sex occurred - but it didn't stop my mind from getting attacked afterwards).

 

[biggoal]

1st, life is not fair. You should come to understand this sooner rather than later. 2nd, MOVE. At 36, you should have your own pad and not live with your mom. If you are smart, you get a duplex and have your tenant pay your mortgage while you build up equity.

You use Jswipe? Jewish girls don't age well and are ugly, big noses. No, I'm not being racist, but just stating the obvious. If you're Jewish then I can see it's no big deal, but otherwise, what would make you attracted to them? Even Jewish guys say Jewish women are not very attractive.

 

[lamath]

That is a large volume of likes and I seriously doubt I'd generate that volume. If I had a level of likes or positive feedback like that, then I don't see this thread would exist in the first place. I might have to call ethnicel on this one and suggest there is some sexual racism that is going on where even if you look half-decent, but aren't white, and especially Asian, then you are basically screwed with OLD.

I've changed and tweaked my profile in the past allot of times. Trust me, this was during the golden age of PUA a decade ago and they had lots of 30 day money back guarantee online materials for sale. I bought a number of things to suggest what to write on an OLD, and probably had my profile checked out on here, or did lots of tweaking and re-working of it. However it felt like I was pulling teeth. If I had allot of likes or interest or women initiating with me and it wasn't a "pulling teeth" experience then again, I doubt any issues presented in this thread would exist.

Also take bigdave17. He made that same argument that he was not getting the type of quality girls because the type he likes typically go for stereotypically white guys.



I'm in Toronto. The incel capital of the world.

I tried that thing in November, 2006 and it took a month to find a couple of women willing to see me. In that world, women actually crave the BBC so that's actually a plus when dealing with that type of internet dating. However, I'm not really that type of Black or have a BBC to get fetish interest like that, although I could play that card and see if it lands some lays, if I were into that.

However, the November, 2006 experiment on "Adultfriendfinder" showed it took a solid month to meet someone who was willing to see me and I was comfortable with seeing her. Although I chickened out at the end, it felt like a lottery win on principle.

That being said, I had a very nasty reaction after seeing an escort back in December 5, 2014 that would make me write-off casual sex in the future. If I almost lost my mind because I dealt with a stranger I did not know then, on top of the religious / spiritual barriers, I don't see how in my right mind I'd go through all that again. Also, if I were into casual sex, which I'm not, then isn't it easier to just see an escort than to wait about a month to meet someone who is willing to see me, if I'm even lucky at that (i.e. and in the annals of sosuave, there were older virgins on that site who were not able to meet anyone at all!).

Anyway, thankfully, that meeting with the escort on Dec 5, 2014 is the first and last casual type sex (we didn't actually have sex as I refused her but fapped outside her vag instead while squeezing her a$$ and going back and forth, so technically no sex occurred - but it didn't stop my mind from getting attacked afterwards).

After reading this i think you really need some confidence boost.

Seems like your main problem is not Old.
Is it finding women? Social skills, looks?

Living in a place like Toronto prob dont help either i live in a small town in NB and things seems way easier.

 

[biggoal]

After reading this i think you really need some confidence boost.

Seems like your main problem is not Old.
Is it finding women? Social skills, looks?

Living in a place like Toronto prob dont help either i live in a small town in NB and things seems way easier.

Things must be different in Canada. On these forums all I read is complaints here in the states about small towns and ugly, fat women. Here in the states most rural areas have very high obesity rates. Around my area the women are hefty and very few decent looking ones. It's sick to be honest.

I will say Canadians in general look healthier, more attractive and in better shape. Even the older ones who visit here in FL for the winter look healthier, less heavy than American snowbirds.

I'm shocked you said that about Toronto, a very large city. Here in the states the large cities are usually crawling with decent women.

 

[RickTheToad]

That is a large volume of likes and I seriously doubt I'd generate that volume. If I had a level of likes or positive feedback like that, then I don't see this thread would exist in the first place. I might have to call ethnicel on this one and suggest there is some sexual racism that is going on where even if you look half-decent, but aren't white, and especially Asian, then you are basically screwed with OLD.

I've changed and tweaked my profile in the past allot of times. Trust me, this was during the golden age of PUA a decade ago and they had lots of 30 day money back guarantee online materials for sale. I bought a number of things to suggest what to write on an OLD, and probably had my profile checked out on here, or did lots of tweaking and re-working of it. However it felt like I was pulling teeth. If I had allot of likes or interest or women initiating with me and it wasn't a "pulling teeth" experience then again, I doubt any issues presented in this thread would exist.

Also take bigdave17. He made that same argument that he was not getting the type of quality girls because the type he likes typically go for stereotypically white guys.



I'm in Toronto. The incel capital of the world.

I tried that thing in November, 2006 and it took a month to find a couple of women willing to see me. In that world, women actually crave the BBC so that's actually a plus when dealing with that type of internet dating. However, I'm not really that type of Black or have a BBC to get fetish interest like that, although I could play that card and see if it lands some lays, if I were into that.

However, the November, 2006 experiment on "Adultfriendfinder" showed it took a solid month to meet someone who was willing to see me and I was comfortable with seeing her. Although I chickened out at the end, it felt like a lottery win on principle.

That being said, I had a very nasty reaction after seeing an escort back in December 5, 2014 that would make me write-off casual sex in the future. If I almost lost my mind because I dealt with a stranger I did not know then, on top of the religious / spiritual barriers, I don't see how in my right mind I'd go through all that again. Also, if I were into casual sex, which I'm not, then isn't it easier to just see an escort than to wait about a month to meet someone who is willing to see me, if I'm even lucky at that (i.e. and in the annals of sosuave, there were older virgins on that site who were not able to meet anyone at all!).

Anyway, thankfully, that meeting with the escort on Dec 5, 2014 is the first and last casual type sex (we didn't actually have sex as I refused her but fapped outside her vag instead while squeezing her a$$ and going back and forth, so technically no sex occurred - but it didn't stop my mind from getting attacked afterwards).

You need to think higher of yourself dude. BigDave17 had/has options, but his requirements are sky hgh. I thought Toronto has a lot of Asian ladies. Do they not like Asian dudes? If you want to post your profile or PM it, I'd be happy to take a look. As I always say, @Amante Silvestre and a few others have the OLD down to a science. Chances are, it's your pics... You need to make yourself look like you are the life of the party. Biggest issue dude is your self esteem. Need to work on that sh!t.

 

[RickTheToad]

You use Jswipe? Jewish girls don't age well and are ugly, big noses. No, I'm not being racist, but just stating the obvious. If you're Jewish then I can see it's no big deal, but otherwise, what would make you attracted to them? Even Jewish guys say Jewish women are not very attractive.

Not Jewish, but metro NYC is mostly Jewish (or Italian). Not all Jewish ladies have big noses. In fact, it's rare I see many of them when I was OLD. Never heard of what you are saying from Jewish dudes, but since you are in south-east Florida, I can understand the negative views you have towards Jewish people. Jewish is a religion, not a race or enthicity. Asian = race. Black = race. Hispanic = race. Catholic = religion. Prostant = religion. Jewish = religion.

 

[biggoal]

You need to think higher of yourself dude. BigDave17 had/has options, but his requirements are sky hgh. I thought Toronto has a lot of Asian ladies. Do they not like Asian dudes? If you want to post your profile or PM it, I'd be happy to take a look. As I always say, @Amante Silvestre and a few others have the OLD down to a science. Chances are, it's your pics... You need to make yourself look like you are the life of the party. Biggest issue dude is your self esteem. Need to work on that sh!t.

I don't have a lot of action pics on my profile, but when I made myself sound like a business man, high roller (I own a small business) I noticed my reply rate shot up, especially with older, more educated women.

 

[RickTheToad]

I don't have a lot of action pics on my profile, but when I made myself sound like a business man, high roller (I own a small business) I noticed my reply rate shot up, especially with older, more educated women.

Then why are you not having sex with them?

 

[biggoal]

Not Jewish, but metro NYC is mostly Jewish (or Italian). Not all Jewish ladies have big noses. In fact, it's rare I see many of them when I was OLD. Never heard of what you are saying from Jewish dudes, but since you are in south-east Florida, I can understand the negative views you have towards Jewish people. Jewish is a religion, not a race or enthicity. Asian = race. Black = race. Hispanic = race. Catholic = religion. Prostant = religion. Jewish = religion.

I wish I was in Southeast FL! Much more younger and fun over there in Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, etc. I'm in Southwest FL. It's an old persons area. It's the oldest region average age in FL! The counties to my north and south are the oldest in the state.

I hate this area of the state. The median age for my county is 56 and my city is 66.7! The county to my north is no better.

 

[RickTheToad]

I wish I was in Southeast FL! Much more younger and fun over there in Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, etc. I'm in Southwest FL. It's an old persons area. It's the oldest region average age in FL! The counties to my north and south are the oldest in the state.

I hate this area of the state. The median age for my county is 56 and my city is 66.7! The county to my north is no better.

So, the question everyone that everyone has been asking you, but you refuse to answer... When do you plan to move out of your mom's house and move to where the action is? What is keeping you back? Don't tell us your job. That sh!t you sell can be sold anywhere. Want a better mix of younger people with older people (you claim your demo), move to Boca. Just be careful, many Jews there I am told.

 

[corrector]

You need to think higher of yourself dude. BigDave17 had/has options, but his requirements are sky hgh. I thought Toronto has a lot of Asian ladies. Do they not like Asian dudes?

Whether they like Asian dudes or not it's not an issue since I'm not Asian myself. I'm mixed race, half Black, half White. Most of my posts here would have lead to that conclusion. I mentioned Asian guys since they are statistically at the worst end of the online dating spectrum, doing even worst than Blacks or people like myself. However, with the results I have been getting online, if that's the case, I'd probably identify with an Asian guy experience if I'm doing that poorly, just meant as an illustration.

If you want to post your profile or PM it, I'd be happy to take a look.

Most of the information is a decade ago as for the brunt of the online experience. Christiancafe has a 9 year old pic (haven't aged much so it wouldn't be dishonest) which shows pics of me in Israel. It doesn't really lend itself to writing a profile since it's more q & a formatted, and some of the questions on there would not be a good idea to fake (I.e. what is your favorite Bible verse, etc...).

I gave it a go back in 2013 and a short attempt in 2016 but the results were abysmal and all I got out of it was a free sushi buffet lunch with a very fat lady who just disappeared on me afterwards. You know things are really bad when you can't even land a friendship with a land whale and aren't getting much further traction. I just pretty much quit after that.

You end up chasing cratered-SMV post-wall women in such a system because you are ignored or rejected by normal girls, and when those types of relationships do not work out in the end, you feel even more worst off than if you did nothing in the first place. It just feels like there is no bottom with OLD.

You can try to be the life of the party, but if nobody's taking you on, then you are just a dancing clown.

 

[corrector]

After reading this i think you really need some confidence boost.

Seems like your main problem is not Old.
Is it finding women? Social skills, looks?

While it's easy to paint an extremely black picture, I'm unable to do so since I am talking to some ladies out there who have shown themselves to be somewhat nice to me, but they are mainly working as cashiers in stores that my mother and I frequent. I haven't met anyone at church.

Living in a place like Toronto prob dont help either i live in a small town in NB and things seems way easier.

Well if you live in a small town then you may feel some type of connection or commonality with the people that are there and it's easier to socialize. But to be fair, I only go out to church or out with my folks to familiar places.

I do think women, outside of town, tend to be nicer, easier to approach and more sociable than here.

 

[corrector]

I'm shocked you said that about Toronto, a very large city. Here in the states the large cities are usually crawling with decent women.

Google it. Toronto is really the incel capital of the world. There has to be a reason why there are so many hundreds of escorts posting online all the time like nothing. This place is like Amsterdam online, literally. Lots of desperate incels that need their services.

The difference between you and me is that you are thirsty in a desert, and I'm thirsty in the middle of a salt-water ocean where all I can drink is sea water. Both scenarios are bad.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Location means a lot, desperate measures yield desperate actions. There are several different ways for reproductive success or female insemination. I was to live the fairy tale life but gave up on it. All the women I wanted didn’t want me and all the women that wanted me I didn’t want, so much time wasted and here I am early 40s but I’m comfortable and not worried just unfulfilled but Genocide is being enacted outside my control ain’t nothin I can do.

 

[ubercat]

Dude so y the heck are not u playing soccer hockey etc ? Or do u have severe social anxiety?

 

[lamath]

While it's easy to paint an extremely black picture, I'm unable to do so since I am talking to some ladies out there who have shown themselves to be somewhat nice to me, but they are mainly working as cashiers in stores that my mother and I frequent. I haven't met anyone at church.



Well if you live in a small town then you may feel some type of connection or commonality with the people that are there and it's easier to socialize. But to be fair, I only go out to church or out with my folks to familiar places.

I do think women, outside of town, tend to be nicer, easier to approach and more sociable than here.

Family stuff is good but what about going out with the boys, or with coworkers etc.

Dont need to be bars restaurant some group activities etc

 

[RickTheToad]

Whether they like Asian dudes or not it's not an issue since I'm not Asian myself. I'm mixed race, half Black, half White. Most of my posts here would have lead to that conclusion. I mentioned Asian guys since they are statistically at the worst end of the online dating spectrum, doing even worst than Blacks or people like myself. However, with the results I have been getting online, if that's the case, I'd probably identify with an Asian guy experience if I'm doing that poorly, just meant as an illustration.



Most of the information is a decade ago as for the brunt of the online experience. Christiancafe has a 9 year old pic (haven't aged much so it wouldn't be dishonest) which shows pics of me in Israel. It doesn't really lend itself to writing a profile since it's more q & a formatted, and some of the questions on there would not be a good idea to fake (I.e. what is your favorite Bible verse, etc...).

I gave it a go back in 2013 and a short attempt in 2016 but the results were abysmal and all I got out of it was a free sushi buffet lunch with a very fat lady who just disappeared on me afterwards. You know things are really bad when you can't even land a friendship with a land whale and aren't getting much further traction. I just pretty much quit after that.

You end up chasing cratered-SMV post-wall women in such a system because you are ignored or rejected by normal girls, and when those types of relationships do not work out in the end, you feel even more worst off than if you did nothing in the first place. It just feels like there is no bottom with OLD.

You can try to be the life of the party, but if nobody's taking you on, then you are just a dancing clown.

I stand corrected. You need to think higher of yourself dude. What do you do for fun? Do you have friends? If so, do they socialize and have significant others (or are dating)?

What do you like to do to relax? Dudes are the single things that complicate their lives so much. You just need to re-organize yourself a bit and make yourself more appealing to the ladies. Asian, black, white, blue, green, it really doesn't matter. You need to make yourself appealing to the opposite sex. Not necessarily for them, but for you and your own well being.

I didn't know there is something called the incel capital of the world. For sh!ts and giggles, I searched for it, but nothing came back. If you consider constructive criticism, you can do better and achieve your goals in life. You just have to want to make the changes. Nothing worth doing in life is easy. It depends if you want to do the work or not.

 

[corrector]

Dude so y the heck are not u playing soccer hockey etc ? Or do u have severe social anxiety?

It is not scenic enough. I like wide landscapes and vistas where there are awesome views and some wildlife. Mountain biking fulfills these interests.

 

[corrector]

Was thinking of sending an email to an ex-gf I saw in 2012 which featured a short film I made when I was a kid in 1987 visiting the CNE (exhibition) with a suggested music clip "Back to Life 80s mix" from Hailee Steinfield. We went on the same rides depicted on that film. I managed to talk myself out of doing so claiming I was projecting my "incelness" on her and probably will hate her more after sending another email that doesn't get replied to. So, plus one today I guess?