My guidelines for dealing with women

[Glassguy]

And I am talking about mid to high interest women here, not low interest women.

The main thing you guys that are struggling do wrong is this: You over pursue. Its amazing how many DMs I get about "what went wrong" on a date only to find out that the guy is showing his hand and over pursuing like crazy.

As many of you know, I basically do what I want in the dating world. I dont really have "rules" that I follow to the letter because everything is based on intent and context.

Just a few things I will point out:

1.) I rarely double text/message. And I mean rarely. The only reason I would is if I answer a question and then come back with something of totally different context. If I dont get a response back to something I sent (as in a question) I will NOT text again.

2.) I make my intent clear on my interest in a woman. "I am going to such and such place at 8pm this Wednesday evening. You should join me for a drink". That is all that needs to be said. Her response will dictate where the conversation goes. YES or a counter offer with a specific day means the convo continues. We will see, maybe, I will think about it.....those all get NO response from me.

3.) I also hid my interest in a woman: Once we have hung out a few times and I get the "What are you looking for" question, I simply dodge it with what could be perceived (by me) as an honest answer. "I am not really sure. I am newly single and I am exploring the dating world. If someone comes along and it leads to something then great. If not, I will keep dating and doing me and having fun". In no way shape or form would I ever say I was looking for a relationship. Ever.

4.) Texting: I am the type of guy that likes to build a little momentum going into a date. With that being said, logistics play a big part of how much I text.

If it is Tuesday and she wants to grab a drink the next evening, I will set the time and say "See you there". Then I wont text anymore.

But if its a Monday and I invite her to join for a drink on Thursday and she counters with Friday, I will allow conversation to happen since its going to be several days in between. In doing so I still stay mysterious and I just keep her texting by asking questions about what she is talking about in her text. You know, just like I would in real life on a date.

Not being conceited but I cant remember all the chicks I was texting 2 weeks ago. So if thats the case with me, an attractive chick is going to have several guys hitting her up and I could easily get lost in transition as well. That is why I will provoke the conversation in between but not give too much info on myself. Building a little rapport only helps in most situations (for me at least).

I truly believe that effectiveness with most texting is about:

1) Not being super available
2) Not being cheesy, saying ANYTHING that takes away from a solid frame (jealous, needy, clingy, butthurt, etc)

Other than that you really wont hurt yourself if you maintain a solid frame.

5.) You have to not care. I say this from a conversation I had with someone last night. Follow me here:

I can hit up just about any chick that I have ever ghosted in the past 2 years and I will guarantee you that for the most part, they will respond back to me in less than 5 minutes. And when they do, there will be NOTHING mentioned about me ghosting them at first. They will more than likely bring that up soon after and then also mention me "making it up to them" as a sexual innuendo or an opening for me to invite them over, out for a drink, etc.

I ghosted them because they were not my best option. Hell they probably werent in the top 3 options. By ghosting them, I didnt care about the outcome. They know this. It left a taste in their mouth that they werent good enough. If/when I hit them back up, they see it as a way to redeem themselves.

Its the same principal of not really caring about the outcome when it comes to early on dating. When I invite a chick out for a drink, if she says "yes" thats great, if she say anything else besides yes, thats fine too. Because an abundance mindset will take you very far in this game.

If in a "relationship", these guidelines dont really change. You still have to control the balance of power. You still use S&D when needed.

As soon as you lose frame you lose the control of the power and dont have the upper hand. That is when a woman will start to question your masculinity, your true alpha skills and so forth.

Maintain frame, maintain control.

Act like 9s and 10s are waiting for this chick to fvck up so they can shoot their shot.

Happy hunting

 

[backseatjuan]

It’s like they check on man, by showing high IL, is this mother f’r p*ssy whipped yet? Yes, ok I’m done, time to break up.

 

[Glassguy]

It’s like they check on man, by showing high IL, is this mother f’r p*ssy whipped yet? Yes, ok I’m done, time to break up.

You have to keep the power and keep them guessing at certain points. As long as they understand that you will ALWAYS have other women in waiting wanting a shot, they will keep pursuing you.

 

[Glassguy]

^^^^Handle well^^^^^

Nicely done.

 

[RangerMIke]

Good advice: I will add some mindset guidelines to follow as well:

(1) Never love a chick more than she loves you.
(2) Never NEVER lose emotional self-control. Don't get angry and don't get too happy.... Be steady.
(3) All women are the same so never lock-on to one particular chick.
(4) The only women that exist in a romantic world are the ones that are interested in you.
(5) Treat all women the same... yes... treat the 9-10 the same why you treat the 5-6s. I get a lot of push-back on this where guys will say "How the hell can I express interest in a chick that I'm not attracted too?" It's easy... just do it. The reason this has always worked for me in the past is because when you treat all women the same, and you are face to face with a chick that you are really interested in, you are not going to act like a salivating grinder monkey begging for coins. It's a mindset exercise.

 

[AttackFormation]

"I am not really sure. I am newly single and I am exploring the dating world. If someone comes along and it leads to something then great. If not, I will keep dating and doing me and having fun.

lol, this line always makes me chuckle because it sounds like a woman talking haha. I guess that's where you got it from.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Good advice: I will add some mindset guidelines to follow as well:

(1) Never love a chick more than she loves you.
(2) Never NEVER lose emotional self-control. Don't get angry and don't get too happy.... Be steady.
(3) All women are the same so never lock-on to one particular chick.
(4) The only women that exist in a romantic world are the ones that are interested in you.
(5) Treat all women the same... yes... treat the 9-10 the same why you treat the 5-6s. I get a lot of push-back on this where guys will say "How the hell can I express interest in a chick that I'm not attracted too?" It's easy... just do it. The reason this has always worked for me in the past is because when you treat all women the same, and you are face to face with a chick that you are really interested in, you are not going to act like a salivating grinder monkey begging for coins. It's a mindset exercise.

On the #5 what matters is she is interested in YOU. So yes your not supposed to do anything extra for babes who arent showing greater than average interest.

 

[Glassguy]

How I hit up a chick I ghosted.....and it works. Just from last night

They typically ALWAYS bring up the ghosting but as anything else, play if off and its no big deal

 

[Glassguy]

^^^not sure why it wont upload the pics^^^

 

[AttackFormation]

Most of the rules go out the window when they think you're high value and a smooth player

Get enough looks and status and you can do what you want. You'll build natural confidence because women validate and submit to you. You'll also get the halo effect (I call it being 'HE-Man': Halo Effect Man). And even if they somehow are turned off by you, you have the abundance to move on anyway.

It's when you don't have the looks or preselection that guys will begin to come up with all kinds of PUA innard scryings to hopelessly analyze why something "didn't work" or what you have to do/say to "make her" interested.

 

[AttackFormation]

The 4 Categories Women Place You In

Category 1 Selector Frame Women see the game way differently from the way men see the game. Women see guys in categories and react accordingly. This explains the phenomanon of one guy saying "I don't get it. I haven't been sh!t tested ever. It's a myth," and another guy (even so called pickup...

www.sosuave.net

The finishing touch to this was the nuance as to how different women perceive you, that was really important. I don't think storm intended it, but I would actually sum the whole post up as a black pill perspective on the game contra pua and white knight (blue pill) perspectives. Each guy moves at his own pace, but for me, I find the black pill perspective is my home and it feels liberating just like the philosophy of acceptance it is close to.

Nowadays I explicitly keep in mind the halo effect for my looks so I can be at the stage of a HE-man. When the halo effect is a goal in itself, it makes you think about looks in a more purposeful way than just vanity.

 

[AttackFormation]

But that’s just me. My opinion. The culmination of how I currently approach things. To each man his own.

Funnily enough from what you describe, I think you are quite black pilled. Although I assume you neither know nor care, to me it's useful and ironic as a mental synthesis so I will note it. The difference between you and a mentally healthy incel (like the very levelheaded and extremely informative FACEandLMS on youtube) may not be the perspective on reality but the fact that you are a man women want while he is not. Simply on opposite ends of the same dimension, contra the wholly different dimension of interest-building tactics.

 

[Glassguy]

Stringpuller seems to be quite argumentative sometimes lol. I do what I do because it works for me. I will keep doing just that.

 

[HenBogan]

Sometimes I use the GM text to lead into the message from the day before...

It's strange but I change my messages to where they are on the ladder...

I have one at the moment who I just send filth to and she loves it, we've never met and we're booked to have sex next Friday... She may flake . Get nearer the top its much more innuendo and fun, suggestive.

I actually have a pre written erotic story that I copy and paste sometimes, they seem to love it .

If you can tap into their imagination, it does take effort, but you can get sex before meeting them... I must admit my go to is OLD

I obviously text too much

 

[AttackFormation]

Some things I say or do may fall very snug into a blackpilled perspective. Some things I talk about or do will be redpill. Some of it Mgtow. Some things I do are even straight up blue pill, but I don’t get the blue pill results. I can do a blue pill thing and a woman will react as if it were a red pilled concept straight out of the DJ Bible. And I can be and often am every single one of those things to each woman I get involved with.

You just have to know when to use what tool.

One of the reasons why I have hung around SS so long is because it has almost always been focused on the core of the man himself. It focuses on the results you get with women when you turn your focus on yourself and continually improve.

When that approach finally begins to snowball and you begin to break your own barriers, you begin to realize there are no rules at all. There is no one philosophy that works all of the time. It’s almost like you become a shapeshifter. Lol. You know when to apply what, regardless of who says this act is good and that act is bad and this is what you should always do; this is how you should always see things....

Keeps you on your toes. Sharp.

At least to my understanding of the black pill, it includes exactly what you are saying: that how she perceives your behavior mostly depends on your value to her beforehand, and if you are a man she wants, you can mostly just do what you feel like. The black pill is not a prescription of behavior like mainstream white knight game, or manosphere shades of red pilled game, but rather an awareness and acceptance that there is no "game".

That's why I brought it up. But, I understand that you don't want to label yourself. I am hesitant of it too.

 

[AttackFormation]

Makes sense. But a woman’s perception is not about one man vs. another. Her perception can and will change constantly with each and every man over time.

She might throw herself at you in the beginning because of your great looks, but in the end she is leaving you because you’ve got nothing else but those looks and she’s tired of all the other negatives.

I’ve had women walk out on me even while they admit I’m looking hot.

I wonder what those womens' options were when they walked out. If they were really going back to being alone, or if they were simply bouncing between different men.

In either case I have examples in my own personal life of couples who go against the LMS principle. No principle is absolute in sexual relations, and you can tell who to listen to depending on whether they state principles as a dogma or a nuanced guideline. There will be other factors - mental health, past experiences and future desires, emotional fluctuations, lack or abundance of options, proximity and so on, and people like FACEandLMS certainly are aware of and talk about this themselves. I guess the point is that what the "black pill" is is, just like the red pill, individual to each man.

Anyway, I didn't really want to start a debate on the merits of the black pill. Just thought it was remarkable how well your own experiences line up to it, but I won't label you with it

 

[AttackFormation]

Ive seen both.

You can be at the top of your game and the ultimate prize, but that isn’t going to spare you from anything really.

I’ve dated women who left Harvard grads working in virology, real save the world sh*t, who they claimed were attractive, good fathers...whatever. But they’re having drinks with me.

When perception changes, it changes.

When chemistry or passion is gone, it’s gone.

This doesn’t mean bad things are always inevitable, it just means the work is never done. You can’t just rest on laurels and coast forever, no matter how far you have gone.

This is where acceptance comes in... if that good looking, good father harvard virology grad saving the world came here and described his situation, he would get teared into... he did this and that wrong, he should have said this and that. But maybe her interest is ultimately out of his behavioral control (especially in any reasonable sense) and like you say, things change and come and go, and you ultimately just have to accept it and not go into a self-consuming sense of inadequacy and anxiety.

I guess that's what you'd call an abundance mindset lol. But I think that's incomplete. Like you say at the end, you also have to be aware of what it is that gets you the abundance rather than coasting in delusion.

 

[Glassguy]

Yup. That’s the ultimate goal: find what works for you.

This is why I never read PUA material or watch YouTube channels and all of that stuff. It’s just a huge collection of things that work for everyone else. Every man has to pick out the items that work for HIM and trash the rest, or even challenge it.

Agree. Most people are too lazy to put things to use and see what works for them. They all want the magic line to say or steal someone else's material.

 

[Trump]

I don’t know bro, that’s way too many rules to remember. Not to double text, hide interest, build momentum, ‘not looking for a relationship’ is all pick up games. Your double text or hiding interest isn’t going to prevent her from meeting a young 6’1 athlete is it?

I would say just say do 2 things:

1) Figure out what your goal is with her, and adapt accordingly.
2) Don’t say or do anything emotional (so she can’t use anything against you)

If you went on a few dates with a hot 25 year old dental hygienist who said she wants to settle down and get pregnant by next year and asks you what you are looking for, you would say “I’m not really sure, I’m exploring the dating world?” Come on. You would jump on it in 15 seconds.

Well I would.

 

[guru1000]

If you went on a few dates with a hot 25 year old dental hygienist who said she wants to settle down and get pregnant by next year and asks you what you are looking for, you would say “I’m not really sure, I’m exploring the dating world?” Come on. You would jump on it in 15 seconds.

Well I would.

I envy you--Because you desire to jump.

That's the "dark side" of this game: When they come easy and ALL want LTRs with you--they hold zero value in your desire hierarchy. And in turn, you hold Zero appreciation for them--regardless of how old they are, what they look like, and how many hoops they are willing to jump through to see you. Once you reach the top of this "game," there is nothing left for you here.

Out shouts a man who screams, "Well then pursue your purpose." Well that purpose has been achieved as well to the same degree.

Out shouts the same man,"Well pursue a bigger purpose." Well, don't you see what's going on here? You're chasing purposes that you will eventually achieve thinking that the pursuit of the purpose and its attainment will ultimately bring you happiness. But happiness is not achieved in chasing your purpose: not while you are striving to get there AND certainly not while you are ALREADY there. See the irony?

I was being sarcastic when I stated I envy you. I don't. Why? Because true Happiness is not found in pursuing that 25 yo whomever, getting her, achieving your purpose, or even achieving your next purpose, after achieving all which preceded. That's the greatest illusion sold to mankind. Happiness is achieved right here, right now ... in this moment--for no tangible reason at all other than that you Appreciate yourself, who you are, your surroundings. You Appreciate and thus Celebrate your life.

Happiness can exist simply as a celebration of Self--and all that encompasses the Self's perception of reality. Until you and others begin to truly understand this on a meta-level, you will continue chasing women and purposes for happiness that will ultimately leave you less fulfilled than before it was attained.