Having a degree?

[nicksaiz65]

I've heard that you should choose one of the two:
1.) A Degree that will enable you to get a job that pays some money(STEM)
or
2.) A well paying trade.

Personally, I'm going for option one. Considering that I'm already going to be in heavy debt, I'm not quite sure if getting a Master's is a good idea. On top of that, I had a handful of really rough semesters even though my GPA is salvaged now. So I doubt anyone would accept me anyways lol.

 

[Focal core]

Wow! guys thanks for sharing all of your thoughts ands it's very thoughtful and valuable information I have had.

 

[Focal core]

degrees will open doors for you that would otherwise not be open, but that's unfortunately just another part of the blue pill mentality at work in society if you ask me. Not to mention that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs never finished college, kinda nuf said there... although Bill Gates already came from a rich family.

Universities and the requirement for degrees have turned into scams. I have a friend that got an undergrad and then got an MBA after that. After spending ****loads of money on degrees, he's still making less than 50k a year and he's pushing 40. And this is a guy who is ambitious too.

No wayyy I'm making more $ than him.. At my currency at least. That speak a lot of sh!t load there.

 

[Focal core]

I've heard that you should choose one of the two:
1.) A Degree that will enable you to get a job that pays some money(STEM)
or
2.) A well paying trade.

Personally, I'm going for option one. Considering that I'm already going to be in heavy debt, I'm not quite sure if getting a Master's is a good idea. On top of that, I had a handful of really rough semesters even though my GPA is salvaged now. So I doubt anyone would accept me anyways lol.

Yeap stem really pays well, but how does one without any related working experience go from there? Yikes, and I'm thinking it way more costly than conventional degrees.

BTW you sound regrets and personally would took stem degrees if you have a time machines that flies back from the future. It's okay mate I have done even worse.. Lol

 

[AbleDad]

I have a chemical-engineering degree from a top-tier university and an MBA from a mediocre school. I currently work with patents and make good money. For the last 30 years, my engineering degree has opened doors for me and given me instant credibility. Of course I still need to prove myself and perform, but life is so much easier when people assume that you have competence and trust you to work with them.

A weird analogy to having a worthy degree is being tall. I'm 6' 1" and I never realized that being tall was a big deal. Becoming red-pill aware in the last two years has attuned me to social value markers that I didn't really appreciate before.

Short answer, get your degree. You should always be building your value and your foundation starts with your education.

 

[Focal core]

Yup like everyone here saying about stem and getting it from top schools, otherwise it aint worth it, and the problem is how's one without strong qualifications/related background get in there? Quite a puzzle really

 

[speed dawg]

It's not really about whether you need a degree, it's about finding a field you care about that uses your strengths and talents appropriately. Figure that out, then you can figure out whether you need a degree.

 

[Focal core]

My most useful degree is an mba specializing in project management. It automatically gets me into a management/administrative role in any field like construction, healthcare, it, business, etc.

Even without experience in a particular field, project management is one of those high income skills that can get you a 6 figure job in any city. You can even start your own consulting firm.

So my vote is learn a high income skill. And perhaps get some certifications to back it up. You don’t necessarily have to start as a freshman in college.

If you don’t already have a bachelors by the time you are 30, I wouldn’t recommend college.

Sounds like a plan and difinitely will fit my current role. Will take a look on it. Thx mate.

 

[Spaz]

degrees will open doors for you that would otherwise not be open, but that's unfortunately just another part of the blue pill mentality at work in society if you ask me. Not to mention that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs never finished college, kinda nuf said there... although Bill Gates already came from a rich family.

Universities and the requirement for degrees have turned into scams. I have a friend that got an undergrad and then got an MBA after that. After spending ****loads of money on degrees, he's still making less than 50k a year and he's pushing 40. And this is a guy who is ambitious too.

Ambitious but not effective = Lame

 

[Spaz]

I've heard that you should choose one of the two:
1.) A Degree that will enable you to get a job that pays some money(STEM)
or
2.) A well paying trade.

Personally, I'm going for option one. Considering that I'm already going to be in heavy debt, I'm not quite sure if getting a Master's is a good idea. On top of that, I had a handful of really rough semesters even though my GPA is salvaged now. So I doubt anyone would accept me anyways lol.

I honestly never check a person's GPA when they come for an interview, and those I interviewed are normally for managerial positions or at the very least a consultant.

What I need is a man who has the right traits.

Bravery, ability to think out of the box, a go getter.

The rest is just noise and worthless to me.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I honestly never check a person's GPA when they come for an interview, and those I interviewed are normally for managerial positions or at the very least a consultant.

What I need is a man who has the right traits.

Bravery, ability to think out of the box, a go getter.

The rest is just noise and worthless to me.

Yeah man when I was interviewing for my internship they didn't even ask for my GPA lol.

I'm applying for an IT Assistant Job soon.

 

[Spaz]

Yeah man when I was interviewing for my internship they didn't even ask for my GPA lol.

I'm applying for an IT Assistant Job soon.

Make a name for urself there, and I mean make a mark.

Degrees is important to get you into a position but you're got to have the traits I mentioned above, otherwise you're just like one of the useless bums that hang around day in and day out complaining abt how busy and hardworking they are when all they actually do is just creating more work for themselves to be busy and thus justify them being there.

Don't be that guy.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Make a name for urself there, and I mean make a mark.

Degrees is important to get you into a position but you're got to have the traits I mentioned above, otherwise you're just like one of the useless bums that hang around day in and day out complaining abt how busy and hardworking they are when all they actually do is just creating more work for themselves to be busy and thus justify them being there.

Don't be that guy.

I'll work my ass off.

When you're looking to hire someone, do you like to see clubs and leadership positions on the resume or should I only list my technical achievements?

 

[Von]

A degree won't land you a job, but it will be a proof of basic skills and competence you've acquired in a field that interest you.

It will weed out "your lack of basic credentials"

It might get you an interview.

What will get you the job is your interview skills, past employer references, experience and ability to learn the job you interview about.

In our world (western society) there is a manpower crisis.. So interviews come in easily and sometimes that hire you without interviews.

The fields are:
1) STEM
2) Plumbing /Electricity/Constructions
3) IT
4) back office jobs (which are targeted to be replaced by robots)
5) MD (which now requires psychology training and IT specialisation due to Nurses/Nursing taking over the basics)

I am considering a back to school. Why?
Wealth management is crazy paper works/crazy hours/being digitalized/becoming elitist for aristocrats.

So I have a political science degree.. All my weath financial planing and licenses. I have work experience.

My back to school would be geared towards: Business Management and IT or electric/plumbing.

Because I want to have credentials and solid foundation to apply ANYWHERE (instead of being that wealth manager/financial planner with no other background). Than use my experience.

Business Management and IT would keep me relevant in the corporate world + allow me to own my own business in that field if need be

Why manual labor? Shortage and high pay!

 

[Bible_Belt]

I've done a little plumbing. The actual work is simple and easy, but it takes an unusual person to be willing to crawl through someone else's sewage. That's what the pay is really for.

 

[nicksaiz65]

A degree won't land you a job, but it will be a proof of basic skills and competence you've acquired in a field that interest you.

It will weed out "your lack of basic credentials"

It might get you an interview.

What will get you the job is your interview skills, past employer references, experience and ability to learn the job you interview about.

In our world (western society) there is a manpower crisis.. So interviews come in easily and sometimes that hire you without interviews.

The fields are:
1) STEM
2) Plumbing /Electricity/Constructions
3) IT
4) back office jobs (which are targeted to be replaced by robots)
5) MD (which now requires psychology training and IT specialisation due to Nurses/Nursing taking over the basics)

I am considering a back to school. Why?
Wealth management is crazy paper works/crazy hours/being digitalized/becoming elitist for aristocrats.

So I have a political science degree.. All my weath financial planing and licenses. I have work experience.

My back to school would be geared towards: Business Management and IT or electric/plumbing.

Because I want to have credentials and solid foundation to apply ANYWHERE (instead of being that wealth manager/financial planner with no other background). Than use my experience.

Business Management and IT would keep me relevant in the corporate world + allow me to own my own business in that field if need be

Why manual labor? Shortage and high pay!

So in that case, do you think it'd be good for me to get an IT Side Job while I'm in school? That way I could put it on my resume and have something to show to future employers.

 

[Focal core]

This is becoming an interesting thread, more and more guys showed up and showing some future planning towards bliss, I'm not alone then hahaa

 

[Focal core]

I have a bachelors degree in IT and I remember coding all sorts of projects with Java, creating databases with SQL, making websites with javascript, connecting networks, etc while I was still in school. Nowadays, I don't even know how to find the password to my wifi. I actually have to google it, lol. My brain is like a rubber band. I can stretch it across the Universe. But it naturally goes back to it's original shape.

If you want to major in something, you need to find a marriage between what you are naturally good at and the market, not just focus on the job market alone. My IT degree is completely useless because I forgot everything I learned. However, I also have an MBA and I still remember those 35 page papers I had to write about on creativity and innovation in the workplace, leadership and management, etc. I remember those papers verbatim word for word. I can probably produce another manual on innovation and management overnight. My brain is more geared towards a leadership role. So learning business management is as natural as brushing my teeth for me. In fact, I never read anything. I would skim through the text in 15 minutes and then write a 30+ page paper in a couple of hours.

Figure out what you are naturally good at that you could potentially become great at. And then find the perfect marriage between your natural skills and the job market. From personal experience, my IT degree is completely useless. I spent years studying IT and my brain just decided to forget everything simply because my brain wasn't built for it. I am more of an inspirational leader/motivator type rather than the technical type.

I also have a cousin who works in IT and the guy is a complete genius in his field. He has his own consulting firm and creates entire frameworks for companies. If you talk to him, he seems like a normal guy. He's not any smarter than the average person. But the way his brain works, coding complex algorithms is like brushing his teeth in the morning. We have a "side" consulting business together where I handle all the marketing/advertising/sales, and he handles all the technical stuff. If I were to ask him to make a sale on the phone, he would come across as a complete retard/asperger spectrum person. It goes to show you that people need to find careers that actually suits their natural skills.

You does made a point.. And yeah I've look up the MBA in project and facilities studies, they are available within my reach.. Planning to start next year in my 40s.. Im more concerning using that starting my own enterprise in the future or as a sidekicks getting a better income and experiences in other field.

 

[Focal core]

A degree won't land you a job, but it will be a proof of basic skills and competence you've acquired in a field that interest you.

It will weed out "your lack of basic credentials"

It might get you an interview.

What will get you the job is your interview skills, past employer references, experience and ability to learn the job you interview about.

In our world (western society) there is a manpower crisis.. So interviews come in easily and sometimes that hire you without interviews.

The fields are:
1) STEM
2) Plumbing /Electricity/Constructions
3) IT
4) back office jobs (which are targeted to be replaced by robots)
5) MD (which now requires psychology training and IT specialisation due to Nurses/Nursing taking over the basics)

I am considering a back to school. Why?
Wealth management is crazy paper works/crazy hours/being digitalized/becoming elitist for aristocrats.

So I have a political science degree.. All my weath financial planing and licenses. I have work experience.

My back to school would be geared towards: Business Management and IT or electric/plumbing.

Because I want to have credentials and solid foundation to apply ANYWHERE (instead of being that wealth manager/financial planner with no other background). Than use my experience.

Business Management and IT would keep me relevant in the corporate world + allow me to own my own business in that field if need be

Why manual labor? Shortage and high pay!

Much enthusiasm my friend, im on your back bro.

 

[Suave88]

What do you guys think when you already has a gratifying job by using only your skills and plow your way through it and suddently you wanted to pursue having your degrees to secure more opportunities in the future.

In today's climate where most likely everyone has their degree and sits below their pay grade just to survive while others thrive in their successful field with having their scrolls.

I'm thinking about pursuing higher education at the moment and a bit ambivalence about it. Your thoughts are mostly appreciated.

My advice to you is go for the degree in a public institution. Engineering in any discipline will help. Many times, you will end up just being a project manager. If you cannot afford a Bachelor, take the associates. Alternatively, try welding and become certified. Then, become project manager. Fabrication and manufacturing jobs pay. Just major in a discipline easy to you. Don't try to be a rocket scientist.