It Finally Sunk in....Marriage

[SeekerOfTheWay]

Yes, that's true, a man doesn't need to be married or be in an LTR but then ur sons will be raised by a single mom who thinks she can train her sons to be men but that training is actually a representation of HOW she wants to be treated by OTHER men.

And that's not how a boy turns into a man, every fvcking men here knows it unless he's a fvcking feminine piece of shiet.

Or ur baby momma will get herself one of the many hungry cuck-able men willing to marry a single mommy.

And he then trains ur sons as his own with his cuck-able values.

So either way, in the end, ur son's becomes fvcked up in the head and they'll prolly end up being cucked.

Boy's don't automatically turn into men, they need to be trained into one.

yes! this is why we have this society we have today! it messes up boys and girls and later the men and women they become. it changes them. i have no stats but it seems like millennials don’t even think about getting married. even the gen before, same deal. i am at the tail end of gen x and a few of my friends got pregnant in high school, though they both married the father.

so my original point stands, marriage benefits kids and families. no one else. i know why i got married at 18 (i never wanted kids) and it didn’t benefit me AT ALL. and i see no reason to get married now.

 

[AJ84]

right, and i want to outline you don't need to be married to be a father or be in a LTR.

You’re right, you don’t need to be married or in a relationship to be a father. If she’s a horrible woman the last thing a man should do is stay with her because there is a child involved. It’s actually worse for the child imo.

But, being a father means a lot more than spreading your seed and seeing them every weekend.

I met some wonderful single dads who are actively involved in their kid’s lives - parent teacher meetings/ medical appointments, school plays, they know who all of their friends are, etc etc. They are not just glorified babysitters every other weekend.

Any guy can ejaculate. Any fertile woman can give birth. But having a child and being a parent are two different things.

 

[BURT MCQUEEN]

This is what feminists would prefer: Diminished male influence.

We all know about the "spreading seed" male mating strategy, but that only tells part of the story. Knocking up a bunch of women is not necessarily optimal for a man, his offspring, or his tribe.

Do you think the only problem is the mother? I think the school system is worse

 

[AJ84]

This is what feminists would prefer: Diminished male influence.

We all know about the "spreading seed" male mating strategy, but that only tells part of the story. Knocking up a bunch of women is not necessarily optimal for a man, his offspring, or his tribe.

I agree. A man spreading his seed around and moving on is just as much of a social decay as a woman with several kids from different men.

 

[BURT MCQUEEN]

I met some wonderful single dads who are actively involved in their kid’s lives - parent teacher meetings/ medical appointments, school plays, they know who all of their friends are, etc etc. They are not just glorified babysitters every other weekend.

After college and when i will have good assets, it was one on my options

 

[BURT MCQUEEN]

You’re right, you don’t need to be married or in a relationship to be a father. If she’s a horrible woman the last thing a man should do is stay with her because there is a child involved. It’s actually worse for the child imo.

But, being a father means a lot more than spreading your seed and seeing them every weekend.

I met some wonderful single dads who are actively involved in their kid’s lives - parent teacher meetings/ medical appointments, school plays, they know who all of their friends are, etc etc. They are not just glorified babysitters every other weekend.

Any guy can ejaculate. Any fertile woman can give birth. But having a child and being a parent are two different things.

I agree. A man spreading his seed around and moving on is just as much of a social decay as a woman with several kids from different men.

Dude, the world is full of men that married single mothers invensting time and money on others men sons just to get her pvssy when she wants to spread her legs

 

[AJ84]

Dude, the world is full of men that married single mothers invensting time and money on others men sons just to get her ***** when she wants to spread her legs

Yeah, but what does that have to do with the role of the biological father? And what’s better? The child having a step dad who is involved or the child having no dad?

Where are those other men? The fathers? Women don’t impregnate themselves lol and yes there are women out there who may choose not to have the real father involved, but honestly there are a lot of dead beat dads out there who choose not to be involved in their kids lives.

I’m not saying that single mothers are the victims, they are accountable to their actions, but we can’t ignore the fact that there are men who contribute to this with their actions as well, and are also accountable.

 

[Spaz]

yes! this is why we have this society we have today! it messes up boys and girls and later the men and women they become. it changes them. i have no stats but it seems like millennials don’t even think about getting married. even the gen before, same deal. i am at the tail end of gen x and a few of my friends got pregnant in high school, though they both married the father.

so my original point stands, marriage benefits kids and families. no one else. i know why i got married at 18 (i never wanted kids) and it didn’t benefit me AT ALL. and i see no reason to get married now.

Of course they'll grow up messed up, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

But the naysayers will say otherwise and so will the single mommies who's gonna hate you for making them "expired".

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

TAlking of Roman and HEllenic civilization Never heard of a roman emperor/dictator/king/consul and Greek king (i'm not talking of the gods and heros of the Roman and Greek mythology), Alexander married 3 barbarians, 2 persians and 1 sogdian from Bactria, and he married due to political reasons (in fact the generals didn't like it ), the tradition was greeks married greeks, not barberians, . IN ancient europe incest arrived after christianity

The point was that, for all the prestige that royalty gets, the history is ridden full of incest.

The Royal wedding lulz!

The perfect meme would include the guy from lord of the rings thst keeps squealing, "my precious." that and someone who has webbed fingers and toes.

He went in Romania, he's beta to me, If you're alpha, you're are everywhere, alpha is how alpha does. You fvck pussies abroad in vacation, you don't go on a quest to fvck pvssy to get a wife, in this way he's making a prospective woman his goal, that's not right. He's putting her on pedestal even before meeting her.

I think he watched too much cheap eastern european porn.



Not every country has U.S. laws

Nah mate, he's 40+ meaning he has a 10yr old ay 50 or 20yr old at 60. Its not conducive.

If anything, its indicative of the **** hole SMP.

Lineage makes sense but it's a one way ticket to in servitude.

 

[Spaz]

I think that's pretty much obvious, but my point was the male mating strategy, spreading as much sperm as you can. If you're alpha and a woman as a genuine desire to get ****ed, her drive is to get pregnant with your sperm. I can write a post long peges about this.

I don't know where you live but I say again, not every country has U.S. laws.

If a guy wants to be present in his life son, he can educate him in the weekends. And by the way Think the school system is as much dangerous as single mothers. The stupidest exmple in the tv is two and half men, look at Jake (i'm not talking about his stupidity) how turned out thanks at his uncle

Doesn't work that way buddy.

A father's influence towards his sons is very much in his demeanour, his presence and also through his ideology.

There's no such thing as a part time dad.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Bro, lineage is the most important thing the feminists have destroyed. Its the only thing bigger than one self. The only thing that lives on.

The cowardice generation of men before us let it get to the point of no return.

A man's right to be a Father and the king of his castle. It sickens me that so many lines will die out

Sink or swim. Survival of the fittest.

Good riddance.

The welfare state and large government sicken me.

Its already happened. London is no longer an English city. They were easily outbred by cultures who do not practice feminism. Cultures that take marriage and lineage very seriously indeed. They dominate their women like were are supposed to

While westerners self-destruct like clowns in our lands

Its so cucked.

There's a black pill aspect to women, game, life, biz etc.

Enjoy the decline. Live frugal. Stack paper. Pillage what you can.

Western women use cats or even RODENTS as child replacement, disgusting and pathetic

A dominant man would have done her a FAVOR by ending her nonsense and at the same securing our legacy

Women = chaos. Men =order

Europe and the west are falling. So be it.

Men built civilization. Women are destroying what's left.

I want rebuild. Nor will I ever fix it.

Moreover, power corrupts. The government is spending beyond its means. Women are being cheered off the cliff today by society. Good riddance to those stupid enough to follow. The same for white Knights, betas, cucks.

Something like Projet Mayhem will occur as the collapse hits. I don't know what happened. It will be fast.

When it does, I won't be there to play hero.

Fish bicycle rhetoric will be hilarious.

 

[koloso]

Marriage, false sense of pssysecurity.

 

[AbleDad]

That was my ex as well. Thankfully although my state doesn't have such a statute, but he was too cheap to get his own lawyer and learn the laws. We worked out an agreement we found equitable that suited our situation, but it was based on trust and doing the things that benefit each of us and the children in the long run. And we are each holding up the bargain and I expect we always will.

My parents got divorced when I was 8. They went to court twice to fight over child support. So, I let my ex-wife "win" and set her terms. I left a lot on the table, but I feel that my kids are a lot better off than they would have been.

My ex used to joke that "whoever dies with the most stuff wins". I still chuckle when I think about it.

 

[The Duke]

i was married for a looooong time. now single, i have more access to resources than ever. trips, dinners,sex, etc. so how would marriage benefit a women without kids (family).

Who made more $$$$? you or him?

The only women I run into that don't want to get married are ones that have been divorced once or twice and make good money. Most of those women married losers.

 

[SeekerOfTheWay]

Who made more $$$$? you or him?

The only women I run into that don't want to get married are ones that have been divorced once or twice and make good money. Most of those women married losers.

He always did and still does. He’s a good guy and we are still close. I make decent money now but he still makes more because he’s great at what he does. He is also older so while I was working not so great jobs (until i went to college) he made decent money. The split was easy in terms of property. We rented, no kids or pets and I just left all the furniture and got new stuff for my apt.

Money wouldn’t be the reason i would or would not get married. it’s just not a factor for me. i budget very well and do okay. There’s a freedom in that.

It was my first, and only, marriage. as i stated in this thread marriage doesn’t benefit men or women. just families.

 

[SeekerOfTheWay]

Disagree.

Men , GENERALLY earn more
Women, GENERALLY file for 75% of all divorces.
Women GENERALLY come out of marriage far better financically than they went in.
GENERALLY speaking, marriage is low risk for women - they go into it with less assets, earn less during the marriage, yet still get AT LEAST half, plus support, when 75% of them file for divorce.

just telling you my experience then. i earn less, i am still doing well. didn’t benefit me other than the great experiences and memories.

 

[bacchus]

i just am not convinced. i enjoy men for who they are and what they offer. the yang to my yin. but i don’t ever think of them as cash cows and gettig married to “lock one in” seems illogical and maybe cynical. getting married doesn’t lower compete anxiety either. the “men always cheat” image is always there. although women cheat more than men.

You’re one of few women Ive ever heard openly admit that women cheat more than men. I applaud and respect your honesty.

Can you elaborate on why you believe women cheat more than men, and on the disparities you see in sexual market value between the cheating women and the men they cheat with? As well as the SMV disparity between the men women cheat with, versus that of the boyfriends/husbands?

 

[SeekerOfTheWay]

You’re one of few women Ive ever heard openly admit that women cheat more than men. I applaud and respect your honesty.

Can you elaborate on why you believe women cheat more than men, and on the disparities you see in sexual market value between the cheating women and the men they cheat with? As well as the SMV disparity between the men women cheat with, versus that of the boyfriends/husbands?

Sorry, i can’t really answer why i think women cheat or cheat more in any scientific way. i think for one women just have more options. you’ve heard the chris rock bit “men are only as faithful as their options?” Not quite the same for females but if we have any inclination to stray, it’s just so easy to find one or more partners for sex or... what’s more likely... an emotional affair that also includes physical.

I also think partly it is because men are so willing and aggressive. when i was married i was approached alot (18-36) no matter that i wore a wedding ring and that i wasn’t flirty or confident back then. i was standoffish. men may have seen that as a challenge too. some men were def white knight types that connected to my “story” of being married to an alcoholic. i fell into that easily. i no longer feel i beed to be “saved” thank goodness.

i personally cheated because my ex was/is an alcoholic and i needed the affection, attention, validation and “love” from someone. i wasn’t getting it from him. at least am not as much as i thought i needed. personally i was insecure and a bit needy and codependent. i am still all of those things but getting more aware and always working on my issues.

i think it’s way more “serious” when a female cheats because that means she’s usually more emotionally involved in the other man and could potentially leave her partner. when a man cheats (correct me if wrong) he can do it workout much emotions and for the physical. that’s why i am leaning towards being poly and being okay with my partner(s) having established FWBs or 1-2 others LTRs. It doesn’t seem to threaten my relationship with them. i can still get my needs met.

sorry i have no big insights. i am still just bumbling my way through dating and love and life. i find relationships very challenging and confusing and tiring. i think cheating is poor character and i still do it because i can and want to and become it’s easier than dealing with my men telling me what to do. i would rather be loyal and reliable and honest and i have good intentions but i am finding men are so demanding that i resort to just doing my thing and keeping it quiet.

for the record i was married 20 years and and single now for 3. not sure if i went over that.

as far as who i cheated WITH, it was men that met my standards and were the same “value” i guess as my hubby.