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[Poonani Maker]

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I've already been through it all. I've not believed we've gone to the moon going on 2 years now, after much digging.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

Those thousands of scientists sure know how to keep a secret. And all these sophisticated labs to properly store the hundreds of kilos of moon rocks we've brought back, not to mention the people that work on them. And the thousands of videos and pictures. I have a feeling you want to believe it didn't happen, and that is enough that you will rationalize away all presented evidence. What is there to discuss?

 

[Poonani Maker]

Those thousands of scientists sure know how to keep a secret. And all these sophisticated labs to properly store the hundreds of kilos of moon rocks we've brought back, not to mention the people that work on them. And the thousands of videos and pictures. I have a feeling you want to believe it didn't happen, and that is enough that you will rationalize away all presented evidence. What is there to discuss?

Did you read/watch any of it? Does the moon spin? I think not. We see the same face of it at all times. No way the Earth and the Moon are spinning in perfect tandem (so that's yet another lie). They say the Earth spins at 1000 mph. I don't believe it. They say that a sniper will alter his shot based on the Earth's 1000 mph "spin" but um, what about Airplanes? How do they get to where they are going if the Earth spins at 1000 miles per hour? We are being fed a line of lies all over the place, and Authority is believed Everywhere. Read the article, man, in FULL. Also, "moon rocks" are petrified wood. No way those suits can withstand -250 degrees to +250 degrees (moon's temperature swings). Why not take a ton of pictures of Earth from the moon??? instead of these paper mache smooth milky mountains in the backdrop? Why not color? Gilligan's Island had a much lesser budget 1969-1972 but was produced in color? Transmissions of TV signals require 1000s of volts yet they only had 12 volt batteries back then? President Nixon CALLING?? Neil and Buzz on the moon? hahah "I am not a crook!" The dune buggy looks almost the size of the LEM. No blast off from the LEM, no crater, looks like 70s Star Trek imagery to me. Vietnam propaganda was at its height. Boeing 747 took 160 tries to get it's big as5 off the ground yet flawless 6 consecutive moon landings 1969-1972 238,000 miles out yet we haven't been beyond 400 miles since. "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond...the problem is 'we don't have the technology anymore'" - one of the heads of NASA, Don Pettit. They lost the telemetry tapes or taped over the reels to save money?? Intersecting shadows when shadows should all be going the same way.

We didn't go there.

 

[Spaz]

The conspirator with his conspiracy theories.

Don't forget to research that comets are actually advance spacecraft flying throughout our milky-way and they're been flying for thousands if not millions of years without any technology.

 

[JayAce]

Did you read/watch any of it? Does the moon spin? I think not. We see the same face of it at all times. No way the Earth and the Moon are spinning in perfect tandem (so that's yet another lie). They say the Earth spins at 1000 mph. I don't believe it. They say that a sniper will alter his shot based on the Earth's 1000 mph "spin" but um, what about Airplanes? How do they get to where they are going if the Earth spins at 1000 miles per hour? We are being fed a line of lies all over the place, and Authority is believed Everywhere. Read the article, man, in FULL. Also, "moon rocks" are petrified wood. No way those suits can withstand -250 degrees to +250 degrees (moon's temperature swings). Why not take a ton of pictures of Earth from the moon??? instead of these paper mache smooth milky mountains in the backdrop? Why not color? Gilligan's Island had a much lesser budget 1969-1972 but was produced in color? Transmissions of TV signals require 1000s of volts yet they only had 12 volt batteries back then? President Nixon CALLING?? Neil and Buzz on the moon? hahah "I am not a crook!" The dune buggy looks almost the size of the LEM. No blast off from the LEM, no crater, looks like 70s Star Trek imagery to me. Vietnam propaganda was at its height. Boeing 747 took 160 tries to get it's big as5 off the ground yet flawless 6 consecutive moon landings 1969-1972 238,000 miles out yet we haven't been beyond 400 miles since. "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond...the problem is 'we don't have the technology anymore'" - one of the heads of NASA, Don Pettit. They lost the telemetry tapes or taped over the reels to save money?? Intersecting shadows when shadows should all be going the same way.

We didn't go there.

Most people will look at you crazy if you tell them you don’t believe we’ve actually landed on the moon. i’ve watched docs, heard and read a lot of the facts you’ve stated above, etc. i’m skeptical that we’ve been. i want to believe we’ve been to the moon though

there’s so many secrets out there we have no idea about. from the gov’t, etc. it wouldn’t shock me if the moon landing is real or fake. wouldn’t shock me either way.

i think if every secret and cover up from the governement was released to the public... there would be a meltdown. certain stuff some people would literally go sucidal over. some very dark and demented ****.

i’m not saying the moon landing is fake, but it wouldn’t shock me in the slightlest. i think as much as some people want to believe its not real... there’s people on the other side of the boat that believe it has to be. even when some of the evidence presented in your post is pretty undisputable.

 

[zekko]

This "fake moon landing" stuff has been thoroughly debunked, as far as I'm concerned. It's not even worth thinking about anymore, IMO. Anyone who wants to seriously research it should come to the same conclusion.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

We see the same face of it at all times.

It DOES spin. It's called tidal locking. It takes just as long for it to rotate one revolution as it does to make one revolution around the earth, so it appears to not spin but it does. I implore you to open a basic astronomy book.

They say the Earth spins at 1000 mph. I don't believe it.

Then how do you explain the sun rising and setting? How do you explain the equinoxes? the constellations moving through the sky? The tracking of planets based on a heliocentric model that can be confirmed with a simple telescope? A heliocentric model makes the most sense and is the simplest explanation.

How do they get to where they are going if the Earth spins at 1000 miles per hour?

Because the atmosphere they are flying through is spinning too. Do you not believe in the Coriolis effect or the jet stream either?

Also, "moon rocks" are petrified wood

The structure of moon rocks dictates a creation under a different pressure. A much lighter atmospheric pressure in a very dry climate. If they were wood they would exhibit signs of earthly atmospheric pressure, but they don't.

No way those suits can withstand -250 degrees to +250 degrees (moon's temperature swings).

You severely underestimate the insulation material man has created.

Why not take a ton of pictures of Earth from the moon???

Some were, why are a bunch needed? We have a ton from much closer to earth. Why travel all that way just to turn around and take pictures of something far away that's extremely familiar and that we have tons of pictures of already?

Why not color?

You're asking why the material on the moon isn't more colorful? This is going into lunar geology, not exactly my forte. The majority of metals on the moon give it a grayish look. Besides a color camera and color equipment back then was much bulkier, heavier, and required more power than black and white cameras.

Transmissions of TV signals require 1000s of volts yet they only had 12 volt batteries back then? President Nixon CALLING??

Now we're going into electrical engineering. Volts are not the only factor when measuring or emitting radio signals. A clear conservative wave length can be chosen, and a weak signal can be picked up easily with massive listening tech, which we have here on the ground. When analog was a thing you didn't have a massive array of satellite dishes to pick up your signal, so the output had to be stronger. From the moon it's the other way around, weak emitter, strong sensitive receiver. The power required for a call is so low that you could barely feel it if you felt the wire it was being passed through. Half a volt maybe. And the moon is less than a light second away, a call is entirely possible.

The dune buggy looks almost the size of the LEM

Because it was.

yet flawless 6 consecutive moon landings 1969-1972 238,000 miles out yet we haven't been beyond 400 miles since. "I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond...the problem is 'we don't have the technology anymore'" - one of the heads of NASA, Don Pettit. They lost the telemetry tapes or taped over the reels to save money??

NASAs budget was huge back then, something like 4 or 5% of all federal government spending. I believe it's less than half a percent now. I can absolutely believe telemetry and other data loss when the budget is shrunk by so much.

Intersecting shadows when shadows should all be going the same way.

You had the sun and the reflection from the moons surface, so there is a chance of intersecting shadows from the right angles. From what I've read the sun was by far the brightest.

I'm not sure how much time I'm going to devote to this thread, because I think you've spent virtually zero time in a space center or visiting any astronomy lecture or museum and asking some simple questions, and I'm not going to try and teach you something you're not even receptive to, much less for free heh.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Sheesh dude, the guy blows it in the first paragraph:

Have you ever wondered why they claimed to have walked on the moon in 1969, on the very first attempt, even though right here on earth Mt. Everest and the South Pole took numerous tries before success, allegedly accomplishing this amazing feat with fifty year older technology (a cell phone has a million times more computing power than all of NASA back then), yet fifty years later the farthest that astronauts can travel from the earth is only 1/1000th the distance to the moon, despite five decades more advancements in rockets and computers?

Dude makes the false equivalence that because modern manned space travel goes 1/1000 of the distance, that's all they CAN go.

Astronauts only go 1/1000 as they used to because once you go to the moon, you don't really need to keep going back. The ONLY REASON for going to the moon was to get there before the Russians, and plant a flag.

There is ZERO reason to go to the moon now.

At least with the massive inflated costs.

As far as computing power, you don't need much. Escape velocity, achieve orbit, target the exit of Earth's orbit, slide into the moon's orbit, pretty basic.

Dudes have been using basic physics to calculate the same stuff for hundreds of years on PAPER.

As far as making it on the first try (compared to Everest and North Pole) the dudes who tried those things first had NO IDEA what they were getting into.

By shooting a rocket from Earth to land on the moon is very basic science.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Although the moon shots were a monumental achievement at the time, in fact the amount of computer processing power needed to control machinery is astoundingly small. Our modern-day devices are probably millions of times more powerful, and all that power is used toward graphics and simulations and such. It's all aimed at the human interface.

But when it comes to controlling complex machines, it really is amazing how little processing power and programming is needed. Of course the true wonder of it all was the calculations that humans had to perform in order to program the basic computers accordingly, and the hardware that was engineered for the purpose.

 

[Julian]

The moon "landings" Didnt even have color tv but we went to the moon. brb no electric toothbrush but we went 2 da moon brb space capsule looks like covered in tinfoil brb nasa LOST all info on moon landing lol

brb radiation belt we cant survive through now brb we destroyed the tech to get there LOL listen to this shill

brb

FACTS bros. just watch this video and realize a few things boys

 

[JayAce]

The moon "landings" Didnt even have color tv but we went to the moon. brb no electric toothbrush but we went 2 da moon brb space capsule looks like covered in tinfoil brb nasa LOST all info on moon landing lol

brb radiation belt we cant survive through now brb we destroyed the tech to get there LOL listen to this shill

brb

FACTS bros. just watch this video and realize a few things boys

yeah. “destroying the tech that got us to the moon” in the first place doesn’t make much. in fact - it makes zero sense.

 

[Alvafe]

yeah. “destroying the tech that got us to the moon” in the first place doesn’t make much. in fact - it makes zero sense.

it does when you know what they used to amke such things, like gold.

I serious don't belive i'm seeing this here....

 

[Bokanovsky]

While I generally do not believe in conspiracy theories, there is certainly something very odd about the fact that NASA could send men to the moon several times in the 60's and 70's, and yet today, they can't even build space transport capable of going to Earth's outer orbit and are forced to pay the Russians to take American astronauts to the international space station.

 

[Mike32ct]

This "fake moon landing" stuff has been thoroughly debunked, as far as I'm concerned. It's not even worth thinking about anymore, IMO. Anyone who wants to seriously research it should come to the same conclusion.

The standard counter argument to the “fake moon landing” is that the Soviets would never have let us get away with that. They would have loved to embarrass us by exposing the fake landing, and they were the only other country with the capability to confirm it or debunk it.

My understanding is the Soviet Union did not dispute our moon landing, right?

 

[Bokanovsky]

The standard counter argument to the “fake moon landing” is that the Soviets would never have let us get away with that. They would have loved to embarrass us by exposing the fake landing, and they were the only other country with the capability to confirm it or debunk it.

My understanding is the Soviet Union did not dispute our moon landing, right?

I am by no means an expert in this field, but I'm not sure they would have had the technology needed to independently observe verify a moon landing by another country back in the 60's and 70's.

 

[backseatjuan]

This sht is wasting your life, quit it.

It would be easier to go to moon than to fake moon gravity on earth with 60s technology.

 

[Spaz]

It DOES spin. It's called tidal locking. It takes just as long for it to rotate one revolution as it does to make one revolution around the earth, so it appears to not spin but it does. I implore you to open a basic astronomy book.




Then how do you explain the sun rising and setting? How do you explain the equinoxes? the constellations moving through the sky? The tracking of planets based on a heliocentric model that can be confirmed with a simple telescope? A heliocentric model makes the most sense and is the simplest explanation.



Because the atmosphere they are flying through is spinning too. Do you not believe in the Coriolis effect or the jet stream either?




The structure of moon rocks dictates a creation under a different pressure. A much lighter atmospheric pressure in a very dry climate. If they were wood they would exhibit signs of earthly atmospheric pressure, but they don't.



You severely underestimate the insulation material man has created.



Some were, why are a bunch needed? We have a ton from much closer to earth. Why travel all that way just to turn around and take pictures of something far away that's extremely familiar and that we have tons of pictures of already?



You're asking why the material on the moon isn't more colorful? This is going into lunar geology, not exactly my forte. The majority of metals on the moon give it a grayish look. Besides a color camera and color equipment back then was much bulkier, heavier, and required more power than black and white cameras.



Now we're going into electrical engineering. Volts are not the only factor when measuring or emitting radio signals. A clear conservative wave length can be chosen, and a weak signal can be picked up easily with massive listening tech, which we have here on the ground. When analog was a thing you didn't have a massive array of satellite dishes to pick up your signal, so the output had to be stronger. From the moon it's the other way around, weak emitter, strong sensitive receiver. The power required for a call is so low that you could barely feel it if you felt the wire it was being passed through. Half a volt maybe. And the moon is less than a light second away, a call is entirely possible.




Because it was.



NASAs budget was huge back then, something like 4 or 5% of all federal government spending. I believe it's less than half a percent now. I can absolutely believe telemetry and other data loss when the budget is shrunk by so much.



You had the sun and the reflection from the moons surface, so there is a chance of intersecting shadows from the right angles. From what I've read the sun was by far the brightest.

I'm not sure how much time I'm going to devote to this thread, because I think you've spent virtually zero time in a space center or visiting any astronomy lecture or museum and asking some simple questions, and I'm not going to try and teach you something you're not even receptive to, much less for free heh.

You're wasting ur time arguing with someone who didn't learn advance mathematics and physics.

Absent gravitational pull and in a vacuum, an object even when propelled with a stupid fart will move almost to infinity.

 

[Poonani Maker]

If we faked it, why haven't we faked it since the 70s? Why not fake a moonbase with missiles pointed at China and Russia? Why not fake a Mars landing by now? (Are missiles also fake since they employ jet propulsion?)

And there was color TV in 1969.

Because we lived in a "high trust" society back then 90% WHITE. Many believed in everything they saw on TV. Couldn't get away with it in the past 30 years as surveillance progressed. I believe ALL "Mars rovers" NEVER landed on Mars and are taking "pictures" of New Mexico, Arizona, and a Mars-like looking Island. Just look at the press conferences of the moon, "Mars" engineers (Can't answer a single question about even the type of image they recorded a .jpg or .tif? - looked nepotism to the hilt).
This interview took place just 6 days ago with "moon lander" Charlie Duke with Russia Today. I see right through this Free Mason. He speaks in generalities and EMOTIONAL appeal to any high-spirited person looking on - most of the duped masses. He contradicts having driven the Dune Buggy says he didn't drive it then says it was "fun" to drive.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I am by no means an expert in this field, but I'm not sure they would have had the technology needed to independently observe verify a moon landing by another country back in the 60's and 70's.

You are right. The USSR couldn't determine anything beyond 400 miles (Earth's orbit), certainly not 238,000 miles. It's was a card game a bluff game during the Vietnam War. We've ALL be duped and a good chunk of the world probably 70% still believe this bunk.

 

[Poonani Maker]

While I generally do not believe in conspiracy theories, there is certainly something very odd about the fact that NASA could send men to the moon several times in the 60's and 70's, and yet today, they can't even build space transport capable of going to Earth's outer orbit and are forced to pay the Russians to take American astronauts to the international space station.

America was founded on Swindling and swindlers. Railroads built for 20X their cost pocketing the money. Bootlegging liquor president (Harding). The Graft president (Grant). Land speculation with phony selling of land that wasn't owned by the seller (lawyers - Eastern). Ripping off the Continental Army vets giving a heads up to European buddies (financiers) that the government was going to make "whole" the worthless fire tinder Continental dollars. I get most of the Historical Facts of swindling from William E. Woodward (author from 1925 thru 1950) who wrote "A New American History" and many biographies of important American historical figures.