Life as a genuinely ugly male is literal torture

[MatureDJ]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/comments/8v0esz

It's impossible for people to understand how much it sucks without actually living it. The scope of suffering and loneliness is just not conceivable to normal, attractive people. The backlash and bull**** advice that gets thrown at lonely guys almost makes sense when you realize that they have no idea how terrible your life is.

The worst part is that no one has been outwardly cruel to me about my appearance. The end result is just... nothing. No one could care less about your existence. Generic, uninterested responses anytime you try to make conversation or put yourself out there. You get treated with the bare minimum social interaction necessary for them not to be rude. Parties and clubs are pure suifuel because you might as well not even exist. You're just a cog in the machine at work, a ghost in lecture halls and at the gym, literally anywhere you can imagine. No one is eager to see you, no one wants to talk to you, no one ****ing cares about you.

I'm not even talking about relationships either. The concept of someone like me being in an intimate relationship with a member of the opposite sex is so foreign I might as well be from Mars. I'm talking about basic societal existence, one of the most fundamental parts of being a human being. It doesn't exist for us.

I'm lucky enough to have friends from childhood who I think are great but you can just tell when you don't fit in. True ugly is going to stand out like a sore thumb among normal, decent looking people, and I do. In any picture, at any event, I just don't belong. No stranger wants to be associated with you more than is necessary. The aura of being too ugly to belong, of being inferior to the prime examples of attractive people around you will follow you everywhere, even among childhood friends. You can tell you're inferior, EVERYONE can tell you're inferior, and the worst part is it's no fault of your own. I was just born with it. You will be pitied, and looked at in disgust, and treated like a leper despite your best efforts.

I expect that most outsiders would think "This guy probably just has a terrible personality and that's why he can't fit in", but this just isn't the truth. I am by no means perfect, I'm often awkward, and anxious, but I have friends, I still try to put myself out there despite how fruitless it is. Friends and family tell me I'm kind, funny, resourceful, a good friend and an upstanding person. I'm studious and decently well-read, I take pride in anything I produce. I can hold my own in conversations and chats with my peers, friends, and colleagues, even when I have to initiate 99% of them. But nothing ever comes from it. No new friendships, no relationships (lol), no good times or fond memories. Nothing, just a void. No one cares.

My life would be categorically greater had I been born with an attractive face and better genetics. Instead I have to slowly watch from 1st person in agony as the prime years of my waste away with nothing to show for the spent time. Time I'll never get back. Time where in 10 years I'll be filled with regret thinking about all the lost opportunities I missed, all my social failures, everything I missed out on which my peers savored and experienced. I will blame myself for my failings and it will hurt. But the truth is that I'll have tried and it will have failed. That the world, that the society I've lived in for my entire life, that the people around me simply didn't care about my efforts and my desires to belong because I was simply too ugly to be worth their time.

My opinion: What would a PUA guru tell the guy to do? Self-improvement? Keep the right frame? Become the prize? Spin more plates?

 

[Kotaix]

I mean... there's WelvenDaGreat...

 

[Spaz]

I have seen in real life of women marrying severely deformed men, one with a missing limb, another with a cleft lip coupled with a face that's unpleasant to begin with, one more was grossly overweight and lastly one who is blind from birth.

But it's not the norm.

Looking back, what those men had in common was a high level of social acuity with the ability to engage their audiences just by the brilliance of their minds.

In a way, they had the power of influence.

And when a man has power, women cannot help but be attracted.

 

[zekko]

My opinion: What would a PUA guru tell the guy to do? Self-improvement? Keep the right frame? Become the prize? Spin more plates?

A guru would tell him: "Guys, looks don't matter, they really don't. This man needs to get his inner game together and get out there and put in hours and hours and hours of approaching women so that he can learn calibration. Have him go out five nights a week for six years, then get back with me".

 

[Spaz]

Meanwhile, the ugly, fat, and grotesque ruthless survivors would go on to become pimps, drug dealers, club owners, porn producers, or just move to some Asian country and throw their money around.

Grotesque, ugly and fat.

I used to own a club when I was in my late 20's...

But I do get ur meaning.

 

[jsim]

Grotesque, ugly and fat.

I used to own a club when I was in my late 20's...

But I do get ur meaning.

Now you suck tranny c0ck and take it up the azz from ladyboys lol.

 

[Spaz]

Now you suck tranny c0ck and take it up the azz from ladyboys lol.

After a considerable time has passed u r still upset with Spaz for calling you a virgin or was it something else?

Actually I'm guessing, I can't recall anything out from our past conversation since you didn't come across as special nor unique.

Understandably, you'll need to forgive my oversight.

 

[jsim]

After a considerable time has passed u r still upset with Spaz for calling you a virgin or was it something else?

Actually I'm guessing, I can't recall anything out from our past conversation since you didn't come across as special nor unique.

Understandably, you'll need to forgive my oversight.

Seriously, take your c0ck sucking faggotry somewhere else old fart. This is a forum for real man, not for fags who take it up the azz from ladyboys lol

 

[sosousage]

bs, my life was crap despite having handsome face

if you are ugly you just need to put more work in, if ur parents dont give u money u must have to put more work in, if no one in family gets you a good job, u must put more work in

unless his face is really DEFORMED, then he can just lower face BF, train dat neck and mew chew face muscles

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'd much rather be an ugly dude that a chick. Even a super hot young chick.

(unless of course I was a young hot lesbian chick, in which case I'd make tons of $$ in lesbian born, but I digress)

Dudes have dude instincts that make them creators, entrepreneurs, builders, explorers.

Chicks, at best, can be helpers or thrive only within a male created system. Beyond that, all they got is their looks.

For a chick, EVERY DAY forward is LESS VALUE.

For a dude, so long as you are building SOMETHING, every day forward is MORE VALUE.

Unfortunately, most dudes, and most ladies will never accept this fact of human biology.

Dudes will continue to believe that their LOOKS MATTER.

Chicks will continue to believe that their BRAINS MATTER.

And the modern society train wreck will continue.

 

[Spaz]

I'd much rather be an ugly dude that a chick. Even a super hot young chick.

(unless of course I was a young hot lesbian chick, in which case I'd make tons of $$ in lesbian born, but I digress)

Dudes have dude instincts that make them creators, entrepreneurs, builders, explorers.

Chicks, at best, can be helpers or thrive only within a male created system. Beyond that, all they got is their looks.

For a chick, EVERY DAY forward is LESS VALUE.

For a dude, so long as you are building SOMETHING, every day forward is MORE VALUE.

Unfortunately, most dudes, and most ladies will never accept this fact of human biology.

Dudes will continue to believe that their LOOKS MATTER.

Chicks will continue to believe that their BRAINS MATTER.

And the modern society train wreck will continue.

Hilarious and yet true haha

 

[lamath]

Did not read.

But the problem here is not his look,.
Its the fact that he depends on others for his happiness.

Lots of sexless ppl around and they are not that miserable.

 

[corrector]

I'm not saying he should be evil.

Ahem...yes you are.

 

[corrector]

A guru would tell him: "Guys, looks don't matter, they really don't. This man needs to get his inner game together and get out there and put in hours and hours and hours of approaching women so that he can learn calibration. Have him go out five nights a week for six years, then get back with me".

That wouldn't work because he keeps getting non-verbal or soft rejections. Also you get ostracized from larger social groups. How about trying to climb Mount Everest and getting a selfie at the top, wouldn't that be easier?

 

[Alvafe]

Ahem...yes you are.

actually if he was evil he wouldn't be complaining about woman or lack of people knowing his existance.

rule number one of anything you need to undertand about people, the problem is not you are ugly, fat and all bad features you can muster, is you lack power, you belive he would complain about it if he was rich? had some power? he himself belive he is not supose to be there, talking with him should be annoying but not because he is ugly is because he wouldn't join the conversation

That wouldn't work because he keeps getting non-verbal or soft rejections. Also you get ostracized from larger social groups. How about trying to climb Mount Everest and getting a selfie at the top, wouldn't that be easier?

more likely he feel ignored, no one mistreat him, just don't notice him, its like he was invisible, and funny of all is that is really his mind problem

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

I mean... there's WelvenDaGreat...

Fame. And I guarantee you it wasn't getting him as much women as you think.

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

This is true. Handsome face crew checking in. After 21 nobody gives a sh1t about you. You have to work hard just like everyone else. And I also have to deal with attention wh0res using me for validation. Do you know how sexually frustrating it is for a sexy woman to sit across from you and spread her legs and twirl her tongue thinking you have an open window...and then her boyfriend comes out of nowhere? Happens to me Everytime I go out to eat. Sometimes I wonder if any woman actually likes me for me. I know it's not a real problem to have. But whatever your circumstances are, it has its own set of problems.

Women have been teasing me, negging, playing games, and using me for attention for two decades to the point where I've grown a beard because I want to be left alone sometimes. Maybe 10% of the time the woman genuinely wants to hook up. The other 90% of the time, I am a walking source of validation that female vampires want to use up to fill their thirst for the validation they feel like they are entitled to (because of social media).

It's a mentally sick world these egomaniac women live in.

Would you switch places?

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

I have seen in real life of women marrying severely deformed men, one with a missing limb, another with a cleft lip coupled with a face that's unpleasant to begin with, one more was grossly overweight and lastly one who is blind from birth.

I'm willing to bet those women were equally grotesque.

 

[claudolfgeorgini]

At least make a lot of money and start a modelling agency, porn company, open a strip club, or something. Do you know what the majority of these guys all have in common? They are all ugly, fat, and grotesque looking. But they found a way to make hot young women sleep with them. See what I mean? There's always a way. But these incels pitying themselves on the internet aren't survivors. They are pitiful betas that would be ordinarily weeded out if times were tougher....and nobody would have to hear of their sob stories. Meanwhile, the ugly, fat, and grotesque ruthless survivors would go on to become pimps, drug dealers, club owners, porn producers, or just move to some Asian country and throw their money around.

If only it were so easy to be rich....

Maybe you could loan him a million dollars..

 

[Spaz]

I'm willing to bet those women were equally grotesque.

No. They had no deformaties.